his partner in Eastern Europe produced.
I may be way off but I thought that was an rare in small frame outfits. I thought most had them made in the same factories in Taiwan that giant/trek/specialized use, or the next tier or two down in size (like sick bikes were doing, in theory). I thought genuinely boutique frame makers were rare. So that should change the cost structure significantly. Obviously you would get the kind if deals the truly big outfits will because you can't offer the volume but you can benefit from their ability to build efficiently.
My preference on a new frame in order.
1) changeable drop outs
2) boost drop outs, it future proofs the frame. Boost kits are available.
3) 142 drop out.
Please don't use any funny standard like qr boost or boost plus
making them “boost” is a few pounds of adapter
Assuming that such an adaptor is available - not so with Hope Pro 2, for instance?
Assuming that such an adaptor is available – not so with Hope Pro 2, for instance?
Kits are available that will work for pretty much any hub that is 142mm, they usually consist of either 2 x 3mm or 1 x 6mm spacers for the axle and approproate spacer for the disc, I am running this exact setup on a 142mm SRAM X0 hub in my Genesis Tarn boost frame with no issues.
Take my money.
Looks like what I am after - something reasonably similar to the Pinnacle Ramin 3+ but in steel - 29er/650B+ compatible, lots of bottle bosses on frame and fork. EBB would be nice.
not so with Hope Pro 2, for instance?
As far as I know the hope adapter kits work just fine on Pro ii wheels, despite saying pro ii evo and pro 4. They're just spacer kits.
Otherwise there are loads of generic third party ones and even CL can be adapted but you need to adapt them to IS 6 bolt rotors at the same time.
But to brant's question swappable (properly ss-able) would be awesome
Thanks dangeourbrain, that's interesting to know. I was basing my thoughts on a previous STW thread that had concluded they weren't compatible.
Would still rather non-boost though for ease!
External cable routing, full outer cable runs.
No funny dropouts or EBBs - keep the costs and weight down, minimise potential creaks.
Threaded BB shell, bog standard tapered headtube.
Boost spacing - a subset of people (like me) would be buying one to 'upgrade' from the 26" bikes they're still on, and won't want to buy into a non-boost wheel standard that's already dead and buried.
Do that and I'd buy one. It'd be a cheap, solid, easily maintained, updated, relatively future-proofed version of the 26" bike I'm riding now.
It’d be a cheap, solid, easily maintained, updated, relatively future-proofed version of the 26″ bike I’m riding now.
That's how I see it - it's like a 90s MTB that's had the good technology added of the last couple of decades added, but none of the extraneous stuff.
Oh. And Afrika Korps camouflage, please. Failing that, matt grey.
External cable routing, full outer cable runs.
No funny dropouts or EBBs – keep the costs and weight down, minimise potential creaks.
Threaded BB shell, bog standard tapered headtube.
Boost spacing – a subset of people (like me) would be buying one to ‘upgrade’ from the 26″ bikes they’re still on, and won’t want to buy into a non-boost wheel standard that’s already dead and buried.
Do that and I’d buy one. It’d be a cheap, solid, easily maintained, updated, relatively future-proofed version of the 26″ bike I’m riding now.
Sorted.
(well except for the headtube which is 44mm straight headtube, but yeah)
Sounds like it'll just be a no-nonsense way into buying a steel frame. Makes perfect sense (if you want to shift units) to make it boost spaced, especially as the adaptor things are so cheap. It IS getting harder to find non boost hub spacing, the market drives it with new bikes, which means cheap sets will come up more and more as folk upgrade too.
And a proper long headtube in the XL size. Boils my piss when companies don't do that.
Matt grey sounds nice actually. Or gloss grey, like currently seen on the new Mini/Audi/Skoda ranges..
My final thought on frame, please lower the cable mounting point nearest the headtube, my fork valve caps strike the cable guide on my Ti 29er on full lock, and the tight angle that the cables enter the guide forces the cables tight up against the headtube/lower headset cup.
That looks absolutely ace, any ideas when it'll be available?
Are we suggesting names still?
then....
Biffins Bridge or The Gooch.
dangeourbrain
Subscriber
I don’t like to say it but I really can’t see a good reason to not go boost on a frame these days.
I think there's definitely a market for "frames to put my old stuff in that ride like new stuff", and On One are probably quite well placed to capitalise on that with their traditional rep. Whereas the "everything must be the latest and greatest" market are probably less inclined to buy their stuff.
hols2
Member
he reckoned that Giant could produce an aluminium frame for about $50.
Maybe, provided the factory was free.
Sounds ideal for my next bike have a few spare bits but no wheels or forks so boost seems like the best option to me.
Cant beat a bit of Reynolds 853 for a compliant frame. Lighter and more flexible than 4130cr
Unless I am mistaken, which is probably the case, there is nothing on the market available as frame only that has:
- Lightweight Alu Frame
- 100-120 fork
- 480-500 reach in XL
- 68 degree head angle
- 29x2.4/6 clearance
- Internal routing (sorry but I like the clean lines)
I hope the new Scandal can be all this... in a clearcoat/ raw kind of way.
EDIT The Nicolai Argon GB maybe.... but by golly do you pay for it.
I think there’s definitely a market for “frames to put my old stuff in that ride like new stuff”,
I agree there is a market but
(a) I personally don't see it being big enough to make it one I'd want to pursue (not least as that is also very often the "I want fantastic but don't want to spend any money" market too). I'm not brant or px/oo though so their opinions may differ.
(b)boost works just fine with a few £ of adapter for almost all 142x12 or 100x15 wheels so the "old stuff" will work just dandy for any one willing to pay £5 per end for some spacers, for those who won't, see my huge generalisation in point (a).
(c) the only kit that can't be adapted to boost is cl rotors and qr* only wheels which won't work with 142 either and building a 135x10 frame these days would be as daft as qr boost or some such silliness.
*other "old" or odd standards such as fat bike hubs are available but not exactly common.
Boost spacing – a subset of people (like me) would be buying one to ‘upgrade’ from the 26″ bikes they’re still on, and won’t want to buy into a non-boost wheel standard that’s already dead and buried.
I see your point. But then you're throwing away a perfectly good hub which is probably the biggest proportion of the price of the wheel set.
Reusing an old hope Xc is saving £150 (the cost of the frame) and there is zero need for bolt through stiffness on a hardtail.
My pro2's I can convert. But it's still spending money on something unnecessary when you include the cost of an axle etc.
In my case, 12 year old Pro IIs, 9mm QR, 36 spokes, built into bomber wheels. Makes no sense cutting the hubs out to bodge them into one of the very limited selection of 36h rims now available. I'd rather keep using them on an appropriate frame. I appreciate that's a specific position to be in, but I think the general point still stands about Boost adaptor kits and buying into an obsolete wheel standard.
widge34
Member
Cant beat a bit of Reynolds 853 for a compliant frame. Lighter and more flexible than 4130cr
If you use the same diameter tubing with the same wall thickness I'm not sure that's the case.
Brant, will the 29er Scandal (or what ever you call it) be available on pre order? If so, any ideas on when? Thanks
And will it be single-speedable?
hugo rune
And will it be single-speedable?
Important question! The very roots of On-One are single speed, so don't abandon it.
It's also useful for geriatric singlespeeders who are going soft and fitting decadently wimpish accessories such as hub gears.
Unless I am mistaken, which is probably the case, there is nothing on the market available as frame only that has:
– Lightweight Alu Frame
– 100-120 fork
– 480-500 reach in XL
– 68 degree head angle
– 29×2.4/6 clearance
– Internal routing (sorry but I like the clean lines)
I hope the new Scandal can be all this… in a clearcoat/ raw kind of way.
Whyte have shot themselves in the foot again with selling completes only.
Their 629 & 529 (same frame) have all those covered, plus through axles. Although fantastic price complete, they could be super competitive if they where frame only.
I might get another 529 as a winter hardtail.
Kits are available that will work for pretty much any hub that is 142mm, they usually consist of either 2 x 3mm or 1 x 6mm spacers for the axle and approproate spacer for the disc,
great way to add flex and weight to further compromise fitting the wrong size hub into a frame not designed for it though.
Cokie - The Whytes have 66.5 degree head angle and clearance at the rear only for 2.3 (I think). But yes it is annoying they don't sell frames only, I am sure there would be a big market out there, even if they were to price them on the high side compared to their complete builds.
So Brant - news is pretty slow and the website and FB page have no updates. Can we get a release date and more details for the steel 29er scandal? And can I pre-order? 😉
After me..
WHAT DO WE WANT?!
Content being updated and I think preorder should be open soon.
The jumping flash looks good.
Brant, any more information about it? Thanks
Brant, any more information about it? Thanks
Looks like it's going to happen. Just not sure about 26/27.5, disc/canti, repro or homage.
It'll get sorted.
I can't wait to order a pair of the steel thru axle 29er forks, so I can replace my carbon fork and drastically reduce my fear of sudden death at high speed.
Does anyone have a link to the newsletter that STW have posted today, with all of the new bikes listed?...
EDIT: nevermind found it https://www.on-one.co.uk/on-one-bikes-current-projects
Not sure if it's been mentioned previously in the thread but will the new Scandal have sliding dropouts for SS?
@brant. Sure you have better things to do than sit on this forum answering people's random questions and personal requests ... But indulge me a little further ...
The 29er Tinbred ... Roughly when is that due, what are the vital stats, and how much? I think I'm done with my FS experiment and just want a 1-MTB-to-do-it-all in big wheel, Ti, modern geo, wallet-friendly flavour please to sit alongside my excellent Pickenflick! How long will I have to wait ... and how much ££'s do I have to find down the back of the sofa?
29er Tinbred will be as per big dog.
130mm forked 29er. Takes 2.6in in the rear. Or 2.8B+.
65 head, 75 seat, good reach, four sizes.
I'm looking at doing a more steady away 29er too with like a 100mm 29er fork too.
Price will be like £700 or so.
29er Tinbred will be as per big dog.
130mm forked 29er. Takes 2.6in in the rear. Or 2.8B+.
65 head, 75 seat, good reach, four sizes.I’m looking at doing a more steady away 29er too with like a 100mm 29er fork too.
Price will be like £700 or so.
Fab!
When?
Price of £700? Frame only right? Full build? I'm assuming £1400-1800ish?
Hmmmm Ti Inbred sounds very interesting, maybe more than the steel doobery that peaked my interest back at the beginning of this thread.
1-MTB-to-do-it-all
Isn't that the sort of thing only someone who is doomed to disappointment would say? Anyone who is likely to find a "one bike to do it all" bike just wants a bike because "all bikes can do it all" surely? The idea any bike might not be all things to all men is iredeemably far into permanent n+1 territory I think.
Price of £700? Frame only right? Full build? I’m assuming £1400-1800ish?
Yes
Big Dog does sound good. If it has frame bosses for rack, I can get rid of the gravel commuter too!
