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Ah, so Quintana wasn't on form for the flat TT, because if he had been he'd have won it?Or maybe you just don't understand the point.
Being good at flat TT's doesn't equate to being good at climbing.
Hence the difference in standings between flat and mountain TTs.
Hence the lack of TTers in the Mountain Classifications.
Contador for the win this year
Elite sport is a complex beast.... There are reasons for every decision.
[i]Interestingly, in his book, he says he only signed with Team Sky on the basis that he'd ride for GC. And he went into the 2012 Tour believing that's what he was there to do (as a joint venture, with Bradley). It only became obvious to him that this wasn't the case once it started. [/i]
Really? Even my mum knew that Brad was there to try for the win in 2012.
Having said that, Wiggins' book is one of two cycling autobiographies that I failed to finish as they were so boring. The other being Kimmage's
[quote=Lifer ]Being good at flat TT's doesn't equate to being good at climbing.
Oh really? 🙄
But do you not think that when Quintana is on form to win a mountain TT he might also do a PB on a flat TT? Or is he just as likely to do a PB in a flat TT when he's not on good form in the mountains?
Never said he shouldn't do interviews with the Beeb, but far more respected commentators than me (Richard Moore to name one) observed that he did the full rounds of the BBC, not in Team/corporate kit, both of which seemed deliberate choices given the subject matter. Why no interview on Sky?
No I don't swallow everything that comes out of a press office, do you? Wiggins told the Beeb he was on top form, so either he became ill the second he landed in Switzerland or one of those claims isn't true.
But its really clear youre a fanboy who won't hear a bad word against him.
At least Wiggo has his own set of balls,
Froome can only use him when his girlfriend lets him...
Let's see what will happen ... great if he wins it but he has to work on the hearts and minds bit, doesn't he ...
2 points, the opposite in many ways from each other.
1. every post above is bollocks as really only B W + DB et al really know and the above is all prejudiced supposition.
2. Just to keep in the usually STW frame on mind I was praying for wiggins to loose to Froome in 2012. why. Because Wiggins age means that he wasn't going to be a multiple winner whereas Froome could be. It was irrelevant which Brit won as long as 1 did so better the long term. After all 2 wins by one Brit is better than 2 by 2. He could do more but its harder now. I do wonder in the usual totally uniformed and moronic way (see above) if Wiggins shows enough commitment. He jacked the Nationals today. Alright he got the TT but plenty of others did both. Looking ahead to the commonwealth I reckon. Well that's going to do Sky bugger all good. Track at Rio I 16? Yeah , that show commitment to his wage payers.
Hmm. Anyway the point is that he doesn't fit and that matters more than emotional balls about having him at a British tour. Would he win a stage in Yorkshire? Nope so what would be so good. Now Cavendish missing would be a shame as he might come though. shame no British champs jersey on show there though.
[quote=crashtestmonkey ]No I don't swallow everything that comes out of a press office, do you?
What possible reason would the Sky team have to say he was ill if he wasn't? Of course the statement about Wiggins being ill actually came from the directeur sportif Dan Frost, not the press office, and the statement about the team pulling him out of the race came from the team doctor, but don't let facts like that get in the way of your stories.
Wiggins told the Beeb he was on top form, so either he became ill the second he landed in Switzerland or one of those claims isn't true.
He spoke to Beeb on 6th June (maybe before, that was the date it was published). Tour of Switzerland started on 14th June. How long is he allowed to become ill for you to accept it? 1 week clearly isn't enough - 2 weeks, or do you need a month?
But its really clear youre a fanboy who won't hear a bad word against him.
I'm a fan, but quite happy to accept rational points against him (some negative comments I'm not disputing). It's only the irrational stuff from the haterz like you I have a problem with.
One less Brit to cheer at the Tdf then. Millar pulled from the squad after a poor nationals performance according to his Twitter.
Millar also appears to have been withdrawn from the Garmin squad despite initially being selected...
Dowsett out of Movistar too.
Not many left now.
Come on Geraint! (although he wont be allowed to do much probably)
It'll be a shame not to see Pete Kennaugh ride too as he's been going well and clearly been working hard in the past year or two
Aracer, flipside. I'm not a hater, I think he's supremely talented and all the more interesting for being flawed. I dislike blind fanaticism and uncritical thinking. I come across as a hater, you come across as a fanboi, that's the joy of the internet as reality and our actual standpoints are far more nuanced!
Still don't think he should be in tour team, and am more disappointed and surprised about Millar being binned. As someone else tweeted there's a great squad to be built out of the cast offs.
Well... only Gee, Cav and Froome representing Britain in the TDF now. This TDF is a home Tour more than ever before and there seems to be great interest from the general British public... but just 3 Brits... there are the same number starting from Luxembourg 😳
More Bretons than Britons, as inner ring tweeted.
The Welcome to Yorkshire people must be fuming. They've paid out all these millions and there are very few riders for the locals to cheer on. It's at odds with the massive sucess that British cycling is been heralded as in the media since the Olympics and Wiggo's win. Puts a bit of a dampener on it.
I'm sure it will still be rammed and hailed as a sucess but people like Wiggins and Millar would have brought even more people in and created a buzz. There are still tickets for the team presentation with only 3 days to go.
And it's forecast to rain.
Orica left to anounce. A PR win in the making if they select a Yates.
Put all the British team sky riders in a squad and watch the cycling public go mental. Would they win - don't know, but they'd be in with a shout and it would get more publicity than they will now.
better hope Cav's bronchitis clears up or it will be an even more depressing show 🙁
i thought its was "bronchitis"
It's a specific type of bronchitis that stops you racing an unsuitably hilly course when outnumbered by Sky riders, but allows you to ride for 6 hours in Tuscany according to your own Twitter feed.
But we've already established I'm too cynical 😉
[quote=crashtestmonkey ]But we've already established I'm too cynical
Well having started from the last message and not read previous ones, I did assume you were talking about Wiggo after the first line 😉
[quote=crashtestmonkey ]Still don't think he should be in tour team, and am more disappointed and surprised about Millar being binned.
Probably equally disappointed here. Not keeping up with these things all that well, does that mean Millar has probably ridden his last TdF? Oh and of course I disagree with you about Wiggo, but accept there are reasons for him not making the team (I still think it's both a strategic and marketing mistake leaving him out).
[quote=DanW ]Well... only Gee, Cav and Froome representing Britain in the TDF now... just [s]3[/s] 2 Brits...
😈
Cav is Manx. Not part of Britain technically.
And then there was one...
does that mean Millar has probably ridden his last TdF
I think he's already announced his retirement for the end of the season. Making it pretty much it for him 🙁
[quote=igm ]Cav is Manx. Not part of Britain technically.
Um, yes it is - just not part of the UK.
Thanks, butcher - I thought that was probably the case, but not sure.
Aracer, I beg to differ
In 1266, the island became part of Scotland, as formalised by the Treaty of Perth. After a period of alternating rule by the kings of Scotland and England, the island came under the feudal lordship of the English Crown in 1399. The lordship revested into the British Crown in 1765, but [b]the island never became part of the kingdom of Great Britain[/b] or its successor the United Kingdom, retaining its status as an internally self-governing Crown dependency.
Scots once, and indeed English, but not British.
The Welcome to Yorkshire people must be fuming. They've paid out all these millions and there are very few riders for the locals to cheer on.
Given that the tour is a massive internationaly covered event I suspect it won't make much difference to them, there were only 5 british riders in 2007 and the crowds were still massive
IoM is part of the British Isles (unlike Kenya), hence inhabitants are British.
See also http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/61 - Cav has British nationality.
It's funny how IOM riders can take part in British Championship if according to some IOM is not part of Britain. 🙄 Two Manx men in a row wearing the jersey.
Millar announced earlier this year he was retiring and this is his swansong year. The Cycling Podcast from last week is now slightly painful, its an interview with Millar where he names Wegelius his best ever DS (who is the face Garmin are putting to the decision) and talks of his dream to attack and lead the field onto the Champs Elysee for the final time.
They're saying he's sick and won't be fit, but I'm not sure who got his slot and what else they bring to the table- Millar is respected for his abilities as a road captain and decision maker.
Navardouskas in Millars slot according to Vaughters on Twitter.
DNF in the nationals (TT & Road race) makes him look like a massive risk for the Tour.
Head/heart.
Good news - Simon Yates is riding for OGE
press statement says that his collarbone is now healed - they chose not to take Adam because he's been racing so much already this year
If only Orica actually sold anything it would be a massive PR win with Simon riding the tour.
But yay for mining supplies!
That IS cool. He is going to be one motivated puppy, after Adam's wins!
Great news.
My banner is looking good - should motivate him.
Here's a rough sketch:
Go on [s]Brad[/s][s]Alex[/s][s]David[/s]Simon!
Millar will be working on ITV4's show, happy about that.
mudshark - Member
Millar will be working on ITV4's show, happy about that
Really?? Excellent I'll record that.
I'm really gutted Daves out, I was soo looking forward to seeing him ride his last Tour.
All my heros are gone or going. Clearly I'm getting very old 😕
Here's a rough sketch:Go on [s]BradAlexDavid[/s]Simon!
That is deserving of some road graffiti!
Seen on br:
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The Expendables would be awesome!