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So, do we know the prices yet or not? I need to know whether or not I will need to eBay my wife 😉
I need to know whether or not I will need to eBay my wife
Post some pics and I'll give you a quote 😉
I think he's well within his rights to call Rudeboy a prissy f*cker. Sees a picture of a frame and proceeds to slag it off at length to the designer without ever having ridden or even seen it. Clearly Brant has way more experience of designing frames than Rudey does. I'm an argumentative b*stard and I'd never ever consider slagging something off THAT much on the basis of a photo and a load of half-baked theories about aesthetics. Did you really think that wasn't going to cause offence? Or do you think that the personal matters nothing?
I'd hardly say that suggesting tried and tested ways of doing stuff is being 'prissy'.
Telling anyone how to do their job is frigging annoying at the best of times - even more so when they've a lot of experience and industry success, and you're just a big gob who rides.
What's she like? Any good? Good cook? Fit? Healthy? All own teeth?
What sort of warranty does she come with?
Any free gifts included?
A royal pain in the kiester, bitching and ranting a lot. Lets me buy bikes if Sean Bean is on telly and her coffee is sweet.
Loads of body fat and few grey cells.
Oh, and looks like:
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RB, any good?
Could rudeboy be the new Hora?
[i]and you're just a big gob who rides. [/i]
LOL
But you're assuming he rides 😉
molgrips - 9/10
[i]'A dead man walkin', here's a dead man walkin'.[/i]
Time to cook lunch and hoover the carpet, may the redheaded Goddess be merciful.
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Molgrips; chill out.
I was assuming this was a prototype. and therefore possibly changes might be made. I thought that was the point of Brant bunging the pic up on his website, to get some feedback.
I'm not slagging him or his designs off, just offering my opinion. Asked questions as to certain aspects of the frame.
WTF is wrong with that? Just because I don't agree with every decision someone else makes, I'm a 'prissy f*cker'?
Woe betide anyone who does not in any way jump on the 'Brant is God' bandwagon, eh? Sorry, I din't see the 'Never slag off Brant's products' clause in the forum rules...
I apologise if any of my comments caused offence. That was not my intention.
S'fair enough; I've questioned Brant, he's answered my questions.
If he really does not in any way want his products to be questioned, why come on an internet forum to discuss them? Seeing as how Brant uses STW to gain feedback, I can't see as how he can complain, if someone criticises his stuff. He is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for 'free'...
As a potential customer, I think I have every right to speak up and voice my opinions. If the person/company supplying the products does not in any way consider my opinions valid or worthy of consideration- fine. I'll take my custom elsewhere. That's how the market works. I'm pretty sure Brant won't lose a lot of sleep over this!
Having worked in bike shops, you'd be surprised just how much aesthetics does actually influence people's purchasing decisions. A bike is not ust a tool, it's a thing to cherish and appreciate, for many people.
If that were not true, all bikes would be simply functional, and just come in black.
Funny how people were oohing and aahing over Foxychick's lovely new Indy Fab, recently, and now suddenly, aesthetics aren't important...
I was actually trying to be helpful here, btw. But if people want to just have a pop at me, then I can't help that.
Typical response from a PF
...He is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for 'free'....
I think you've got your quotes in the wrong place there.
WTF is wrong with that? Just because I don't agree with every decision someone else makes, I'm a 'prissy f*cker'?
You were pretty damn negative, that annoyed me and I'm not even anything to do with the bikes - don't own one, never ridden one.
I was actually trying to be helpful here, btw.
Fair play - apologies for offence cause in that case. But still, you came over as just slagging the thing off. You have to be sensitive to the position you're in - ie a punter trying to tell the experienced designer that he's wrong. At least, that's how it came over. Perhaps some work on your tact and interpersonal skills would be in order? 🙂
'He' is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for free...
like this?
(s****)
Very nice looking frame, IMO. I like the seat-stay plate very much.
Wouldn't presume to pass judgement on it otherwise, at least until the price is revealed.
Brant - Do you have a sideline as a cheesy TV illusionist? You certainly look the part on your new website...
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Keep telling Brant he's wrong. He's far too happy with his lot these days and needs people moaning and picking at his pre-production things to even him out a bit.
Perhaps some work on your tact and interpersonal skills would be in order?
LOL!
Well, I really din't think my comments would cause that much of a fuss (I'm thinking of getting a second login, so's I can make comments without people thinking 'oh look, it's that RudeBoy, let's all have a pop at him..).
The work I do involves aesthetics. That's the main part of it! Ok so, maybe aesthetics is not high on the agenda of Shedfire or it's customers. But it is a consideration of many people. That's all I was saying.
a punter trying to tell the experienced designer that he's wrong
I have people disagree with me, quite often. I try to listen to them, because we want to have the best possible end result. They may well have something valid to say. Or, I might dismiss their opinions, If I am confident enough about what I'm doing. But there's ways and means of going about that. I don't call people 'prissy f*ckers', as I don't think that would endear me to people who might want to give me money...
All's well. I'm sure Brant understands the point I was trying to make, even if some others don't...
Oh come on, you've had multiple logins and are capable of lasting about three posts before writing "wazzent innit vahn babylonian geezer" and getting into a fight. No-one gets in your face because you're you, they get in your face because of what you post. 😉
I think that the weird hand signal reflects the chain stay detail.
BD; it's 'vayn'. 🙄
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There is a hell of a lot of criticism of all manner of people/products/companies on this forum - much of it very amusing - but whenever anyone seems to direct that criticism towards anything that Brant is involved with - be that On One, or now Shed Fire - it often seems to generate a disproportional backlash that you don't find with other people/products/companies.
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Frame looks quite nice, BTW.
Funny how people were oohing and aahing over Foxychick's lovely new Indy Fab, recently, and now suddenly, aesthetics aren't important.
I think it's a very pretty frame. Aesthetics [i]are[/i] important, we just disagree on what is pretty.
Chainstay bridge reminds me of the baby lock things I put on the cupboard doors.
Its serpantly different, I like.
I like Arcade Fire- shed fire is a crap name for a band... Shed Explosion now your talking!
How much are these frames gonna cost?
miketually - MemberI think it's a very pretty frame. Aesthetics are important, we just disagree on what is pretty.
Who is "we" in this context? Brant [b][i]is[/i][/b] saying that aesthetics aren't important. I'd say that for many, many bikers it is.
miketually - MemberI think it's a very pretty frame. Aesthetics are important, we just disagree on what is pretty.
Says the man with the drop-bar 29er 🙂
Aesthetics should follow function everytime.
SSP
Brant - Do you have a sideline as a cheesy TV illusionist?
He is Ted Rodgers of 3 2 1 and I claim my £5.
As for Rudeboy, I don't have a go because of who you are, I'm not like that. I have a go because you really seemed to be having a go at something you'd not really seen or knew much about. If you were only talking about aesthetics, then fine - should've made that clearer. Try starting with "from a purely aesthetic point of view..." or something.
You came over like the Harry Enfield character - "you don't wanna do it like that!". You could've said something like "Well personally I much prefer the traditional clean lines of Dekerf/Indyfab/whoever" rather than just telling Brant he's wrong.
And @AB - I don't know Brant or ride his bikes. I always spring to the defence of persons or parties that I feel are being unfairly criticised or maligned.
rather than just telling Brant he's wrong.
Where did I say he was 'wrong'?
Who is "we" in this context?
We = RudeBoy and I.
Says the man with the drop-bar 29er
I blame the designer 😉
Well personally I much prefer the traditional clean lines of Dekerf/Indyfab/whoever
I'd say this bike [i]does[/i] have clean lines. The plate is hidden behind the chainrings, so you'll barely ever see it and the rest is pretty conventional double-diamond stuff, but cleaner than most because of the unmanipulated tubes.
Personally, I think the plate-as-seatstay-bridge looks much cleaner than the lager can on the On-One Ti frames 🙂 The chainstays line up with the top tube too, which is the one (minor) irritation I have with my Solitude frame.
Where did I say he was 'wrong'?
About here:
So, a bunch of features which seem to be different, just for the sake of being different, to the detriment of the aesthetic appeal and possibly weight of the frame...
The chainstays line up with the top tube too, which is the one (minor) irritation I have with my Solitude frame.
There is a reason for that Mike. The seat stays support the top of the seat tube and allows the top tube to be dropped a little for the forward facing seat tube slot and stand over height.
SSP
It's these sort of threads that put me off posting on here more often.
'Oh yeah, those angles are all wrong, that'll be sh1t to ride.' How can you possibly tell that from a picture? Look at what you've typed. And you're compairing chainstay bridges?!? Jesus wept what next - Facebook groups to standardise bottle boss mountings? Seriously, some folks on here should spend less time typing and more time riding/working/having a life
Seriously, some folks on here should spend less time typing and more time riding/working/having a life
We do it to relieve the boredome whilst we are at work, nothing more. If I COULD go out and ride NOW, I can assure you I'd do just that!
We can't ride, so we talk about bikes. Nowt wrong with that is there?
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There is a reason for that Mike.
I know, that's why I don't mind it 🙂 Form, function, etc.
Actually, I think this thread is legend. Mike started it semi-tongue-cheek presumably so that we could have a fanboy collective soggy-biscuit competition over brant's new bike. But every time we do that someone pops up to say I don't like the look of it, and we get to lynch them. Brant, who often gives the impression of being drunk in charge of a computer and has a less petulant and more gonzo approach to abusing his customers than Fruit ever managed, wades in with a particularly wonderful insult which combines contempt for metrosexual southerners with a marvellous kick-off of the "form over function" debate. We may be here some time. 😉
If I COULD go out and ride NOW, I can assure you I'd do just that!
Hear hear.
And +1 for BD 🙂 (as always)
I've missed ths place... 🙂
Hardly. Been mtbing for over 20 years. Owned a fair few bikes, worked in 'the trade'.
Big deal - so have I and alot of folk on here, we just don't offer Brant et al "advice" - he actually designs and sells them (a WHOLE different ball game to riding them/working in shops) so some of us have the humility to let him get on with it.
Enjoy your retort, but I doubt I'll even bother reading it, you are just way too far up yourself.
Out of curiosity, any singlespeeds on the horizon?
Out of curiosity, any singlespeeds on the horizon?
Not from us.
You know I havent been on STW for yonks (maybe 2yrs), only came on today to see if you lot were having a gibber about Brants new frame pics. Rudeboy did you used to go under a different name 'cause I always remember some gobshite picking holes in all and sundry then having a huff 'cause your 20yrs of hardcore riding havent earned the respect they deserve?
Can I just say (and honestly I dont really know a whole lot about geometry, I just know what feels right for me) I bought a Ti456 from Brant in October, has been just loads of fun, super comfortable and made riding through the winter a joy. Where else do you get to speak to the guy who designed your bike, get some good advice about set-up and be on the recieving end of some proper left-field sarcasm.
Good luck with Shedfire fella, if the new Ti frame is half as good as the 456 you will sell loads.
As for Rudeboy, I don't have a go because of who you are, I'm not like that.
As for Rudeboy, I have a go because of who you are, I'm like that.
Very funny thread!!!
Tandems? 96ers (ask WCA)? Fixie with disc mounts? Eccentric BB shells? Or just proper frames?