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[Closed] Sunrace cassettes - worth a punt?

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About to pull the trigger on a 40T cassette. Currently running a Deore 11-36 with no expander with SLX clutch mech and 30T NW.
General consensus on these seemed to be favourable a wee while ago...still the case?
The MX3 the one to go with? As opposed to faffing with a new XT, removing bits to add an expander, or the hugely expensive Praxis one?
Any opinions appreciated...


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 8:49 pm
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I'm interested in these myself.

Not much more expensive than buying an expander ring.


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 8:58 pm
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Worth a punt?

Without a doubt, if they turn out to be crap it will be your money you wasted and not mine.. but if you could let us know how it goes. 😀


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:08 pm
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Got the 42 its great, should probably have got the goat link but it shifts OK, 40 would be fine. Not that light but not silly heavy either


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:08 pm
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Got the 42, plug and play no bother, go for it. 🙂


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:13 pm
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Fitted a MS3 11-42 two weeks ago.
Set up with a GS SLX mech, had to take the plastic insert out from under the b-screw to get enough adjustment but it shifts fine. Done around 200km on it so far.

It weighs about 440g and was £42.50 from Triton Cycles which I thought was a bit of a bargain.


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:17 pm
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anyone going up to one of these from a regular 11-36; did you have to lengthen your chain at all? not that that's an issue, i'm just interested so i know whether to factor that in when buying. ta!


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:23 pm
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I used a new chain but I guess going up to 42 from 36 it would need to be longer.


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:29 pm
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yeah, i guess a new chain wouldn't be a bad idea regardless (and thinking about it, my question is stupid!)


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:35 pm
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MS3 now only £39.99 from Triton


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 9:35 pm
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Not even sure what difference is between the S and the X


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 10:05 pm
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I think MS3 has all steel cogs and the MX3 has steel cogs except for the 40/42.


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 10:15 pm
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I've the dearer ally one 11 40.

It's ace not as.clean to shift as a 11 36 but you'd expect that.

I'm chuffed


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 10:20 pm
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I've reversed my b screw to get my x0 mech to sit far enough away from my mx3 42t cog for best shifting. The chain derailed pedalling backwards in 42t until it wore in. I'm waiting for some spacers to arrive so I can adjust chainline by 1 or 2mm. Running absolute black 34t oval n/w ring and used 4 links overlap


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 10:49 pm
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I have the MX3 . Very impressed. Better than a 11-36+expander-15&16+17t.


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 10:59 pm
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What Simon said word for word!


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 11:09 pm
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The one up rad cage made a big difference to the shifting on my 10 speed expanded xt. I think when this cassette + extender wears out an all in one like the sunrace at that price makes going to 11 speed xt quite hard to justify!


 
Posted : 21/02/2016 11:28 pm
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Got an mx3 with a rad cage, happy days

Its not xxxxxx1 weight but it's not the same price either

Tbh makes you wonder if we really need 11 speed, as for 12.....


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 8:09 am
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And my MX was 390g to its a 50g difference between s and x


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 8:51 am
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I had planned to go 11 speed this year but I'm not bothering now 🙂


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 9:37 am
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Looks like I'll have to order the mx3 since they seem soo good.

Trying to work out why a expander ring is pretty much the same cost?


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 10:55 am
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Installed a 11-42 MX3 this weekend, seems to shift like my old 11-36.Not ridden it yet tho but it seems ok to me. Only issue is in the lowets gear it will drop down the cassette when you do a full revolution of the cranks, not that I will ever do that when riding.

Using it with a medium SLX mech, b screw wound nearly all the way in and a 36t chainring and KMCx10-SL chain. Out of the box the chain was the right lenth, 114 links, which was nice.

I did shift my BB spacer to the NDS to give a better chainline when in the lowest gear, i've been bending mechs outwards so im hoping this will help too.


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 11:27 am
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ordered an 11-42 MS3 for £38.99 at 11.34 from triton, marked dispatched at 11.58. must be a quiet monday morning.


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 12:01 pm
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Am I not right in thinking that the general concern with these is longevity rather than shifting performance? Has anyone saying they're ok really had enough time on them to tell if they're going to last?


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 12:09 pm
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Any comments on durability? Keen to try one but my local mud can kill an XT cassette in a few hundred miles whilst my Sram 1050 has lasted at least 3 times that now


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 12:16 pm
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Too early to tell. But there's so many variables in cassette/chain life I don't give it much thought.


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 12:24 pm
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I can't comment on longevity but I'm pleased with my MX3 42t. I fitted a new mech, chain and 32t oval nw chainring and the whole setup works well.


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 12:25 pm
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MX3 40T ordered 11pm last night...been dispatched already.
Will be on my bike tomorrow night 🙂


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 1:26 pm
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Am I not right in thinking that the general concern with these is longevity rather than shifting performance?

Any science behind that? Not heard anything myself but would be interested to know.


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 1:31 pm
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I've got both the Sunrace 11-40 and Praxis 11-40 and I find the Praxis a lot slicker on gear changes, especially dropping down to a smaller cog the Sunrace gives a noticeable clunk whereas the Praxis is near silent and smooth.


 
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Any science behind that? Not heard anything myself but would be interested to know.

If there was science it wouldn't just be a concern. Anicdotal evidence of other Sunrace kit from this forum iirc


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 6:31 pm
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I work for a SunRace distributor and we've been flogging these by the box full just lately. In fact SunRace themselves have been struggling to meet demand of the MX3 11-42, although they're back in stock now and we're expecting another batch this week. We've plenty of stock of the MS3 11-42 and both 11-40s (and we do next day delivery) so your local shops should be able to order them in overnight for you.


 
Posted : 22/02/2016 11:16 pm
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[quote=jam bo ]ordered an 11-42 MS3 for £38.99 at 11.34 from triton, marked dispatched at 11.58. must be a quiet monday morning.

delivered at 10.39. I'm impressed.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 11:23 am
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The price has increased by 50% since Friday, but I've taken a punt...

11-42 in stealth black, I'm looking forward to having a play this weekend.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 12:34 pm
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Just landed. Looks good and feels good quality. Liking the red spider and lock ring.
It's BLOODY MAMOOSIVE!
Weighs 385g on accurate work scales.
Will be tinkering later 😉

As a side note - how good are DPD?
Regular progress updates...estimated ETA 1.08-2.08pm....it arrived bang on 1.08. I like that.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 1:43 pm
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Our local DPD guy is awesome. I must buy him a pint sometime.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 2:25 pm
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It's on the wheel - I wasn't 100% sure it looked like it was for a Shimano hub.
I need to fiddle and tweak the fabled B-screw to get it working properly but that's a job for another day.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 9:02 pm
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I've had a 42 on for the last 90 or so miles - absolutely no issues - performance is actually better than what I had on before (ethirteen expanded and xt cassette).
I honestly can't believe the hype that the bike media has made recently about the sram 'budget' 1x groupset when there are these sunrace cassette avaliable.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 10:19 pm
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Just spotted an mx8 11spd. Looks like a good alternative to xt. Same price but much lighter.


 
Posted : 23/02/2016 10:56 pm
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I got an MX3 11-40 when they first came out and posted a couple threads on the subject.

I'm a few months in but not ridden anywhere near as much as I usually do! It has been problem free thus far and seems pretty solid. I do have the back-pedal issue (with Rad Cage & spaced in CR) as many seem too with these new 40-42t 10 and 11 speed cassetts. Apprantly it occurs regardless of manufactuerer if the chain line is not far enough in, with some suggesting KMC chains exacerbate the problem more than others!


 
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Quick ride last night to check it out.

Shifts perfectly except dropping downn into the 11t cog, its a little slow, not an issue but not quite as sharp as the others which seem to just bang into gear. I think this is because of the b-screw adjustment so ill look to see if i can adjust it out.


 
Posted : 24/02/2016 9:12 am
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My cassette turned up the other day and was duly fitted in anticipation of a weekend ride.

It really is massive! My cassette has a similar diameter to my brake disc. I've a brand new set of XT cranks, so it seemed rude not to get it all set up with a brand new chain. I was a little worried about chain length, but even with a 36T front chainring, there's just enough links to make it work.

Setting up may be a fiddle, the B Tension bolt needed to be fully wound in before the chain would shift into the next biggest sprocket at the back. The setup is noisy, but I expect that's due to the KMC chain I'm using.


 
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Acid test today at an XC race, no issue with the cassette but chain releasing off the front (oval N-W) chainring is much noise me than it was with an 11-36. I've also dropped the chain off the chainring a couple of times which is new and I can't quite see how the cassette could be causing it as nothing else has changed.


 
Posted : 28/02/2016 3:44 pm
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Looking at PJM1974's setup: Personally I'd stick to 11-36, save 1/2 a pound in weight, keep the quality shifting, have the same bottom gear via a 32T chainring and accept that riding along the road is slightly slower.


 
Posted : 28/02/2016 6:28 pm
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Chickenman, with a rad cage shifting is perfect , it's 50g heavier than an 11-36 and I can climb up anything with a 32 up front


 
Posted : 28/02/2016 7:33 pm
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Ok, I was not comparing like with like ('cos you can't)but the 10 speed 11-36 XTR cassette on my bike is around 235g if memory serves. Am sticking with this because I have enough gears with a 30T chainring. If someone did an 11-40 10 speed that was similar in price and weight to what I have I'd get it right away.


 
Posted : 28/02/2016 7:44 pm
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Praxis at 320g is lightest xtr is 270 according to Google, so it's only 50g

Thatextra 40t sprocket doesn't come for free, personally I think it's well worth it for the extra range (an e tra 50g going from my xt to my mx3)

The only thing I can't speak too is longevity as I've not had mine long


 
Posted : 29/02/2016 8:11 am
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After two rides, I'm extremely happy with my setup. Getting everything adjusted took a little longer than usual, the setup is quite sensitive to adjustment. Once fettled I couldn't tell the difference in shift quality between old and new.

I do plan to swap my 36T front chainring for a 32T somewhere down the line and to ditch the front mech entirely but I'm in no great hurry considering that a new XT chainring costs around £50. I can live with the extra weight of a front shifter, front mech and cables, given that a winter ride round my way will deposit over a pound of mud on my frame.


 
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Two rides in, 40 miles and some decent climbing. Spot on, cant fault it at all. Found it no difficult to set up than my usual 10 speed setup.


 
Posted : 29/02/2016 1:41 pm
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I've been running one on my fatbike since November. 2-3 rides a week through the worst sandy muddy slop or actually on the beach.

The black finish has mostly gone, but still shifts perfectly (X7 mech so designed for 1-by) and shows little sign of wear. Think I'll be going this route on all my bikes as the range of gears is fine for my purposes.


 
Posted : 29/02/2016 2:10 pm
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Stuck my MX3 on but not adjusted B Screw yet.
40T at the back with 30T NW up front with SLX clutch mech - not sure off hand if its med or long cage. Is adjusting the screw a piece of piss or more involved than it should be?


 
Posted : 02/03/2016 1:48 pm
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Is adjusting the screw a piece of piss or more involved than it should be?

Piece of piss really. You can't miss the screw, just wind it all the way in.


 
Posted : 02/03/2016 1:50 pm
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Went out on bike with Sunrace cassette on last weekend...when climbing using the 40T it was jumping all over the place - the one gear I pretty much bought the cassette for! Pretty sure the B screw is right in...any other reason why this might happen?


 
Posted : 28/03/2016 1:46 pm
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My 42 sunracee was running fine through the filth at valelujah this weekend, and I was using the 42 a lot on those long climbs. I have got a rad cage on tho.
Limit screws right?


 
Posted : 28/03/2016 1:48 pm