So ive noticed that if i grab the top of my rear wheel i can give it a little wiggle. So its the bearings? Took the wheel out and i cant detect any play in them at all.
So maybe its the cassette (strip the locking ring, fit a new one) nope not that.
Any other ideas. Its tight with an x12 axle. definatley in the hub area. Its a pro2evo.
It's the bearings. Probably the inner ones.
ffs
Yeah, it's difficult to detect play in the bearings without the "amplification" effect of twiddling the rim.
cheap source for the hope bearings?
andybrad - Memberffs
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That's not a very patient/nice response when someone is trying to help you out.
As the next poster says, the opportunity to detect bearing play at the bearing itself by (I am just guessing here) sticking your finger in and trying to feel any play is nowhere near as revealing as a few mm of play at the rim. Think about the trigonometry of a noticeable 3mm play at a distance of approx. 360mm from the bearing.
Basic understanding fail.
andybrad - Membercheap source for the hope bearings?
Use good quality ones so you don't have to replace quickly.
That's not a very patient/nice response when someone is trying to help you out.
Sorry if i hurt your or anyone else's feelings.
ffs
These have lasted about a year. Which is surprisingly less than i would have expected. Proper hope ones.
Ill strip it and take a look. I was hoping there might have been something else to look at though.
It's probably the bearings. It's almost always the bearings. Could be worse; it *could* be that the hole in the frame for your axle (do we still call those 'dropouts'? Dunno) are buggered. But it's probably the bearings.
Why would you want to put 'cheap' bearings in your lovely hope hub? Stump up for the OEM and they'll last ages.
Last set lasted 3 years this one 1..... hmm maybe they were slightly out of line. Will investigate.
Sorry if i hurt your or anyone else's feelings.ffs
Wow, you sound brilliant - are you as lovely to deal with in person?
Just a tip - if you don't like being patronised, don't make yourself look daft by being intolerant and ignorant - that tends to invite it.
Wow, you sound brilliant - are you as lovely to deal with in person?
not really.
not really.
Thought not.
Full sus frame? Is it the wheel wiggling or is the rear triangle moving also? If the latter then may be pivot bearings.
I find Hope bearings last as well as any other LLU or similar bearings really, including no-name generic. It's the seals on the hub that are important, along with plenty of grease. Main selling point I seem to see from people praising Hope is the ease of service, which suggests they need frequent servicing. DT hubs I've got, pulled one apart after a few years, expected bearings to need doing and yet they still seemed like new and hub internals clean. Just very good hub seals.
no just the hub.
Mate showed me his starling at the weekend! WOW thats a wobble on the pivot!
anyhow i thought id been smart by greasing the bearings when i had the wheel out. I guess not.
i thought id been smart by greasing the bearings when i had the wheel out. I guess not
In all honesty, that's never a bad thing, really.
Shimano pedal bearings noticeably lose their play when they undergo a basic regrease - but I guess this is because the sideways leverage on the bearing is nothing like that exerted by a rim at a far greater distance.
In my experience re-packing bearings is always positive unless they are beyond saving or you accidentally bend the bearing seal.
Yea my thoughts too.
Oh well i guess the best thing is to strip it and inspect. See whats happening.
dannyh, have [i]you [/i]got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
I didn't take his ffs as having a go at the bloke, more as being slightly miffed if it was the bearings that have gone after a year?
Just my thought 🙂
granny_ring- me too.
Or alternatively, when I had rim wobble on a pair of almost brand new Pro 4s I eventually found out that it was caused by a botched wheel build leading to several very loose spokes (despite the fact the wheel had not at this point buckled significantly). It's probably the bearings in your case but I'd check the spokes quickly just in case.
These have lasted about a year. Which is surprisingly less than i would have expected. Proper hope ones
Par for the course IME. The older XC hub had 4 nice chunky bearings, all the same size, in it and they last for ages. The Pro series have 5 bearings of 3 different sizes and they're nowhere near as big. Imagine the difference between looking side on at a Polo Mint compared to a Hula Hoop!
I love the old XC hub but we had 5 Pro 2s and only one of them had the bearings last over a year from new. So I got shot of them and replaced with Shimano and DT Swiss
That's the price you pay for being able to put big axles through a hub - thin bearings.
I didn't take his ffs as having a go at the bloke, more as being slightly miffed if it was the bearings that have gone after a year?
That's what I thought as well but I liked that Andy didn't bother really explaining this when challenged 😀
Andy,
This is on the 301 I assume.
You did a full frame bearing-set change not so long ago didn't you, so it's unlikely to be that I'd have thought.
Yeah, wheel bearings is the likely suspect.
Whilst you can see/feel movement at the rim, I've found the best indicator to be by observing the disc for movement between the pads.
If the disc wobbles between the pads then I'd be changing the wheel bearings, whereas if the disc remains central to the pads whilst you wobble the rim, then you're issue is probably on the frame.
Going against the flow a bit here but when I was running Pro2evos I always found the cheap ebay bearings to last just as long as Hope originals.
The sealing is the vulnerability of any bearing low down on a bike IMHO. I ran marine grease in mine. Bit more resistance but lasted much better.
scotroutes - Membergranny_ring- me too.
me as well
anyhow i thought id been smart by greasing the bearings when i had the wheel out. I guess not.
My opinion - this damages the seals, lets water in and ruins the bearings. I never regrease and get long life
[quote=granny_ring ]dannyh, have you got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
I didn't take his ffs as having a go at the bloke, more as being slightly miffed if it was the bearings that have gone after a year?
Just my thought
i wasnt offended. not sure why dannyh was on my behalf...
My opinion - this damages the seals, lets water in and ruins the bearings. I never regrease and get long life
Nah, not if you use a fine pick. Wheel bearings are slightly different, but I've been grease-packing linkage bearings for years 🙂
As a note, I've found that even nice, Hope bearings don't last long if they are imperfectly fitted - either clobbered in, or slightly misaligned. Even the smallest imperfection here will wear them quickly.
andybrad: are you confident in how you fitted the last set? If so, I'd probably suck it up and replace them again, taking as much care as possible and bear in mind that it's possible to kill bearings quickly with excessive use of pressure washers. That said, Hope OEM bearings should last longer than a year under anything but the heaviest usage.
Oh and if you're riding in wet conditions, stainless bearings are the way to go. Yes, they are a little softer, but this is more than compensated for by their anti-corrosion properties which is what really screws bearings in the wet.
if the seals are intact then the bearings don't get wet! Removing seals means they no longer seal. MY opinion and my experience.
Well it could be the spokes. I banged a load of brass nipples on the other week and i have no way of checking the spoke tension. Ill revisit that...
Failing that ill do the bearings. Interestingly ive started to get a squeak from the rear brake so 50p is on the bearings atm.....
btw 100% fitted stright.
seals picked with a stanley blade as the proper seal picks i have are too thick.
I thought the OP was being snappy as he replied with 'ffs' when the initial reply about it being the bearing contradicted his initial assertion in the OP.
I thought to myself "could have a bit of fun here".
The upshot - the OP has got some pretty sound advice from the STW community (albeit some contradictory advice as you would expect in most examples). There was a bit of 'fun' had - the OP does a good line in curt and seemingly uninterested replies whilst I used the pokey stick a bit. No forumites were hurt in the making of this thread. 🙂
I'm in the repack bearings camp, as Andybrad says use a sharp stanley blade or a fine pin then repack with excess grease. Any slight damage possibly done will be filled by the excess grease and the rubbery nature of the seal.