Or to look at it another way, here is the chat from Edinburgh City Council:
Councillor Jenny Dawe, Leader of the Council: “This is a superb opportunity for Edinburgh to be seen on the world stage and to showcase the city as an excellent host of major events.
“While many people overseas already appreciate Edinburgh’s qualities as a place in which to work, study and holiday, I hope that some of the millions watching the Pope’s arrival in the UK are encouraged to come and see our city for themselves. It is undoubtedly a significant visit and I’m sure that the city will, as usual, rise to the occasion.”
I live 5 mins ride from the B'ham park he will be in, it is now closed to the public, I think this is to clear up all the dog poo though rather than security, it's going to make commuting around the area a pain
I might try and ride my bike through the area as a protest, pity it's not on a bridleway or I'd have complained at lack of access
£12M thats bugger all money and not just compared to some of the huge money sinks we are currently investing in.
like it or not its a state visit and the politics of not doing it far outweigh a bit of grumbling online by you lot.
i will however make as much effort to catch a glimpse as i did when the ****stani chief came over to avoid the flooding back home.
In answer to the original question. No.
To the original question, yes. It's a state visit by the leader of a major world religion. Like it or not, that leader is respected by a large number of British citizens.
Arguing that this kind of thing shouldn't be paid for by the taxpayer, and should come out of the organiser's purse, is IMO unreasonable - there are 1000s of other activities that I will never enjoy nor benefit from that are taxpayer subsidised, this is just one more of them.
(Full disclosure: I'm not paying for this visit, but he's coming to Madrid sometime this year and I will be paying for that one!)
£12million quid? - it's a bargain.
the pope is hilarious! - just like spinal-tap or Brass-eye.
i mean, it [i]is[/i] all a joke, right?
what with the voodoo, and the drag-act theatrical ceremonies, the vicious hypocrisy, and the staggering display of wealth, and the looking at his balls to make sure he isn't a doris...
brilliant, comedy genius.
the Pope! - gods own rock star! - turning it up to 11 every day for Jesus!
I think we should start a facebook protest pettition. That'll show the government the true feelings of the british public and force them to re-think!
I think everone who opposes it should get to London or other major city and kick up a real stink, protest your lungs out!! In response to the origonal question NO.
mogrim - Member
"To the original question, yes. It's a state visit by the leader of a major world religion. Like it or not, that leader is respected by a large number of British citizens."
And that's why it's OK that it's happening, and why the huge disruption it'll cause to the non-catholic majority is acceptable. But that's not an argument for us to be bankrolling it in this way, since the costs aren't just for visiting, they're for the large-scale events he'll be doing. If Nicolas Sarkozy comes to visit we don't pay to have him parade down Princes Street- we pick him up, we feed and house him and we protect him and that's all the Pope should get too.
Unless, as said, there's an economic case for it.
no. 😕
Who is this pope chap, a small rather insignificant man, who has never married,dresses in a hat the shape of a penis, wears a dress to work, people kiss his ring,lives with a lot of other men in a big castle,says being gay is wrong, abortion is wrong, contraception is wrong,
Should be good when he is on Top Gear, as the star in the reasonably priced car, lets hope it has a sun roof for his hat to stick through,
Then he could go on the Paul O Grady show, Alan Carr, chatty man, Scott Mills in the afternoon, and finally Grahame Nortons show.
Then relise theyre all gay, the shame of it.
Then finally on the chav argument programe with disfunctional families, to be questioned about various aspects of his life, before security step in to drag disfunctional nuns off him.(cant remember the name)
Now that would be worth watching.
And that's why it's OK that it's happening, and why the huge disruption it'll cause to the non-catholic majority is acceptable. But that's not an argument for us to be bankrolling it in this way, since the costs aren't just for visiting, they're for the large-scale events he'll be doing. If Nicolas Sarkozy comes to visit we don't pay to have him parade down Princes Street- we pick him up, we feed and house him and we protect him and that's all the Pope should get too.
OK, and here I freely admit my ignorance: who pays for the policing of other public events? Glastonbury, the Cup Final, Wimbledon, the Edinburgh Festival, etc.? Are they shared (in which case the catholic church should share the costs, too) or are they wholely paid for by the taxpayer?
No - The Vatican isn't a real state!
Sigh.
It is. As are Lichtenstein, Monaco, Luxembourg and Brunei. The reasons for their existence as States is irrelevant. Their sovereignty is fact.
joolsburger - Member
You're right it's not up to me but I believe that I'm not in the minority in thinking it's wrong.
I dare say most people in Britain are opposed to the cost of His Popeliness visiting our shores. But regardless of whatever state he is the head of, he should be afforded equal hospitality as any other, in a free, 'democratic' and open society. Otherwise we'd just look like a bunch of bigots.
The visit of Obama a while ago cost the UK taxpayers far, far more.
Cant they just have a jolly good pray and see if the cash turns up?
Or just pass a bucket around for a colection.
The visit of Obama a while ago cost the UK taxpayers far, far more.
I may be playing fast and loose with the word democracy but I think you will find the process to elect him was more involved than a few deluded self indulgent blokes in dresses and a bit of smoke!
It's going to cost £12m because it is a state visit by the Pope and the money is for all the pomp and ceremony. We spend the same amount if any head of state comes to this country. If he came on his own accord then it would costs a lot less and the Church I guess would have to cover it. The government should never had said yes to a state visit in the first place, then again £12m is bugger all in the scheme of things. Probably spend that each week on tea and biscuits in the civil service.
surfer - MemberCant they just have a jolly good pray and see if the cash turns up?
lol
Now if they could get the Boss turned up, that would be worth 12m.
mogrim - Member
"OK, and here I freely admit my ignorance: who pays for the policing of other public events? Glastonbury, the Cup Final, Wimbledon, the Edinburgh Festival, etc.? Are they shared (in which case the catholic church should share the costs, too) or are they wholely paid for by the taxpayer? "
It varies- for the festivals the organisers pay for at least some of the policing (IIRC at Leeds/Reading they have to cover all costs for the on-site policing). Edinburgh Festival doesn't, other than I think they used to contribute for Fringe Sunday but then it doesn't need much policing and the financial benefits are well known. Not sure about Police. Football, I don't know about, I think the answer to that one's possibly very complicated.
But, that's not actually relevant because this is the non-policing cost. The real cost to the taxpayer is going to be considerably higher, the 12 million is just part of that total cost.
"woody74 - Member
It's going to cost £12m because it is a state visit by the Pope and the money is for all the pomp and ceremony. We spend the same amount if any head of state comes to this country"
I am extremely unconvinced by this statement. The Pope's state visit isn't on the same scale as a typical state visit so if the costing's at all comparable that would be surprising. But I suppose it depends, again, on what's actually included- if the police cost isn't included in this, is there anything else that should be but isn't?
I remember cycling down The Mall, and seeing loads of Norwegian flags. A kind policeman explained they were for the State Visit by the King and Queen of Norway. Probably a dinner somewhere, then off to the Palace and that.
Din't even make the local news. Not many folk are interested in the Norwegian Royal Family. Unlike the Pope, who will have hundreds of thousands turn up to see him. I do feel the Vatican should be stumping up for the extra security measures though. Maybe they are already, and we haven't been told.
no surely god will protect him from stuff?
If not surely it was just gods will?
lolNow if they could get the Boss turned up, that would be worth 12m.
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Ahh, now Springsteen would really add to the occasion.
Helping keep me in a job so yes! 😛
"Junkyard - Member
no surely god will protect him from stuff?
If not surely it was just gods will?"
You'll find the catholic church has a lot of experience in dealing with this awkward question, most people have heard of Pope Urban VII who died after 13 days in the office, before his coronation, but there's been 9 popes that didn't last a month before popping their clogs- God may be infallible but He is also ineffable. Wish I could get away with that. "This piece of work is completely wrong" "Ah, I work in mysterious ways"
lol
Now if they could get the Boss turned up, that would be worth 12m.
Posted 3 hours ago # Report-PostAhh, now Springsteen would really add to the occasion.
well worth every penny and far more entertaining but as he was here last year I don't think there's much chance .... 😉
Going on some of the replies on this thread, can the pope be arrested for inciting religious hatred ? It was all peaceful and tolerant in here until his name got mentioned.
No
Now if they could get the Boss turned up
12M to see Bruce Springsteen?
I expect the pope will need an endless supply of small boys as well ,probably wearing jack boots.
£12 million is a pittance considering the billions the Olympics is going to cost or wanting to host the world cup.
Maybe but that still does not make it right.