[Closed] road rage,Woman blocks road and claims cyclist is attacking her

Ooh! I thought I knew it meant 'I agree over here'. Still have a strong feeling I'm right, but won't get all sweary about it.

unless you are going to drag a car driver from their car and beat em to their senses any converstaion is a waste of your time.
youtube seems to be full of angry cyclists looking for altercation.
drivers dont care.
ride defensively and ignore em,
hop on pavement get past then back on the road would have saved all the anger.

[quote=merynella ]Ooh! I thought I knew it meant 'I agree over here'. Still have a strong feeling I'm right, but won't get all sweary about it.
You're wrong.

HTH

Hear, hear. (To the last but one post). To the previous post... well done for getting 'you're' correct.

You'd "call" someone for being racist right. Right? So why not call them out when they try to bully you off the road?
Should we all just meekly let shit drivers force us of the road?
And as said above, she opens the door to start an argument, and cycling on the pavements illegal.

If councils didn't insist on putting parking bays in such stupid places, such incidents would happen a lot less often.
Sometimes lane markings and road layouts are completely non-sensical and serve only to encourage behaviour that goes completely against common sense - not to mention the highway code.

Hear, hear vs. here, here
Hear, hear (usually with a comma and set apart as a self-contained sentence) is the conventional spelling of the colloquial exclamation used to express approval for a speaker or sentiment. It’s essentially short for hear him, hear him or hear this, hear this, where these phrases are a sort of cheer.
Here, here is widely regarded as a misspelling, although it is a common one, and there are ways to logically justify its use. But for what it’s worth, hear, hear is the original form (the Oxford English Dictionary cites examples going back to the 17th century) and is the one listed in dictionaries. English reference books mention here, here only to note that it’s wrong.

I thought he handled that fairly well. Kept his cool, didn't get too abusive.

Heer heer

Cyclist may have been in the right but acted like a dick. I would have just gone on the pavement and carried on with the commute rather than have a pointless rant

Re 'here, here' vs 'hear, here': I yield.

I'd have gone up onto the path & shook my head at her.
Like most on here would.
Not worth the hassle.

She'll come across the wrong type one day, likewise he'll end up on someone's bonnet blocking the road with his pedantry.

blocking the road with his pedantry.

PS what does a pedantry look like? Is it a breed of dog or something?

Cyclist may have been in the right but acted like a dick.

I would have just gone on the pavement

If you listen to her reasoning it basically comes down to "I'm a driver, your a cyclist therefore I have priority"

While so many seem to be labelling him a dick, he was just standing up against being bullied, if cyclists keep just turning the other cheek it just reinforces the perception of many car drivers that they can force us off the roads because cars have priority.

Whenever I see threads like this I often wonder how many posters actually ride bikes.

Whenever I see threads like this I often wonder how many posters actually ride bikes.

I am also confused why everyone is accusing him of ranting she opens her door to start the conversation as he tries to get past whilst on the wrong side of the road, with her side still clear and space to pull into to moan at him for being in the middle of the road 😯 In reality he is legally where he should be she legally in the wrong place and she ends up shouting about assault after mentioning road tax

+1 for Donk, MSP & JY

somebody give that daft bint an Oscar for the great bit of acting towards the end.....then bosh her on the head with it to knock some sense into her....as for the cyclist...i probably would have reacted the in same way....does that make me a tool also?

hope Jimbo's friend is ok.

Who here really wouldn't have been more than annoyed had some driver, who was unquestionably in the wrong, exclaimed loudly 'but I'm a driver!' as part of his/her defence? By all accounts that is exactly what riles up fellow STWers, yet here many of you are deriding the cyclist for being angry stating that you would have simply hopped up on the curb and cycled happily away.

How many actual cyclists use this forum?

yet here many of you are deriding the cyclist for being angry stating that you would have simply hopped up on the curb and cycled happily away.

How many actual cyclists use this forum?

I said I'd ride past and forget about it. Not because of who i believe is in the right or wrong but because I have more important things to worry about in my life.

I'm a cyclist btw,

Haven't we discussed this chap before, or am I misremembering? Wheeled warrior going round looking for confrontation, bellowing registration numbers?

Anyway. In terms of road rage, the cyclist completely overreacted first of all. All other things being equal, if I'd have been the woman and was faced with some gobshite bawling and swearing and pointing his flappy arms about then I'd have probably have yelled straight back at him too. Wholly unnecessary and achieves nothing other than to antagonise other road users and reinforce the opinion (however incorrect) that we shouldn't be there.

That said. As far as I can tell, she saw him coming and deliberately moved over to the kerb to block him off. She's pulled out far earlier than she needed to and moved over further than necessary. She's clearly seen him, otherwise she wouldn't have slowed, and there's ample room for her to just correct her course and carry on if it's an honest mistake. I fail to see any justification at all for this sort of behaviour. What was she thinking, what did she expect? It's bullying, pure and simple. I don't blame him for standing his ground, I would have done so as well. I haven't put up with bullies since my school days and I'm damned if I'm going to start doing so a couple of decades later.

What could he have done? Only option really is to just wait it out, she's plenty of space to move into. A few here have said "hop onto the pavement," can't do that, it's illegal. Go round the right? Sure, and then you're on the wrong side of the road facing oncoming traffic, that seems safe and sensible.

It's not clear from the video, but it looks to me like he dismounts and wheels the bike past her. She then opens the door to block his path. She's determined to have a pop at him and, when that fails, starts yelling all sorts of nonsense in the hope that, what, I don't even know, passers-by my jump to her defence?

So yeah. From a roadcraft point of view he's wholly in the right and she's wholly in the wrong. From a road rage perspective they both could've behaved a lot better. He might well be right, but he's going to get a good hiding sooner or later if he doesn't calm down a bit.

I think I'd have done similar. When she blocked my path I'd have just stood there astride the bike and just folded my arms and wait it out.

I've done it in the car before now when some clown decided to push past a pinch point in the hope that I would drive my car into some (potentially) bottomless ditch at the side of the road so he could get past. He backed up....
As cougar says, bullies need to be stopped and at 41 im damned if im going to be the victim!

Haven't we discussed this chap before, or am I misremembering? Wheeled warrior going round looking for confrontation, bellowing registration numbers?

no i think that's a different accent. the guy in the video has an Irish accent wheras the guy you're thinking off had a very nasal southern accent...i think...
but nevertheless a well worded post Cougar.

I'd hope as a cyclist I'd not waste much time discussing it with her - she is clearly a loon who isn't going to be persuaded.

Hopping on the clear pavement to get past is completely reasonable

Might be worth getting the video to the fuzz and insisting on a visit.

the cyclist completely overreacted first of all.

All other things being equal, if I'd have been the woman and was faced with some gobshite bawling and swearing and pointing his flappy arms about then I'd have probably have yelled straight back at him too

Had I been the car driver i would have just returned to my side of the road looking sheepish whilst apologising. Sometime we make mistakes when driving [ though this is clearly an intentional and deliberate act] when I am the one who did this I accept it is my fault and apologise. I dont flip the bird and get angry at the victim of my shit driving no matter how they react.

TBH I am bit confused by your post you blame him then accept she is completely wrong.

No wonder i never understand moderation on here 😉

What Cougar said.

It's called a nuanced view JY - not everything is black and white you know. 😉

The woman is a complete idiot but him getting all sweary and wavy-army isn't helping anyone.

The 'good on you lad' from the other driver gave me a little lol.

+1 for Donk, MSP & JY

no i think that's a different accent. the guy in the video has an Irish accent wheras the guy you're thinking off had a very nasal southern accent...i think...

Ah, yes, you're right I think, it was a London lad I'm thinking of.

He is not bawling is he?

No, he's the picture of serenity and the poster boy of calm.

so in that situation you would have opened your door to stop them

Had I been the car driver i would have just returned to my side of the road looking sheepish whilst apologising.

Even whilst someone is stood there yelling at you? In that situation I've have said "I made a mistake, sorry, but what's your bloody problem?"

It's a slightly forced comparison as I'd never be in that situation unless I'd had a stroke or something, I'm not in the habit of deliberately driving badly. But if I'd wound up being faced down by someone telling me to move my effing car then I doubt I'd have been in a hurry to comply with his orders.

TBH I am bit confused by your post you blame him then accept she is completely wrong.

I believe I explained that in my last paragraph, I thought it was quite simple. She was in the wrong, but if he'd kept calm and waited for her to shift rather than shouting at her then the argument would probably have been avoided.

getting all sweary and wavy-army isn't helping anyone

His "getting all sweary" isn't loud, it is just at conversation level, and couldn't be heard from inside a car, and his arm waving is just a shrug and directing her to where she should be on the road.

You are just making excuses for crap driving, and trying to blame the victim.

Even whilst someone is stood there yelling at you? In that situation I've have said "I made a mistake, sorry, but what's your bloody problem?"

Well the problem would be that you are still on the wrong side of the road, and blocking it for all traffic. A cyclist is normal traffic and she should treated as such, ie she should return to the correct side of the road.

ps I suggest you watch it again, he isn't yelling at any point.

not everything is black and white you know

Getting pissed off and swearing to your self is hardly an over reaction.
Given what she does I have no idea why folk keep focusing on HIS over reaction rather than hers which is near certifiable

Perhaps he should have just tutted and stared at her but even then some folk would be calling that confrontational

No, he's the picture of serenity and the poster boy of calm.

Even whilst someone is stood there yelling at you?

I think you need to watch the video again
He says I have you on camera and reads her reg - he is not yelling either.

In that situation I've have said "I made a mistake, sorry, but what's your bloody problem?"

But if I'd wound up being faced down by someone telling me to move my effing car then I doubt I'd have been in a hurry to comply with his orders.

I believe I explained that in my last paragraph, I thought it was quite simple. She was in the wrong, but if he'd kept calm and waited for her to shift rather than shouting at her then the argument would probably have been avoided.

Anyway. In terms of road rage, the cyclist completely overreacted first of all.

It's bullying, pure and simple. I don't blame him for standing his ground, I would have done so as well. I haven't put up with bullies since my school days and I'm damned if I'm going to start doing so a couple of decades later.

As i said earlier if he had remained calm and considered no one would have been able to fault his behaviour [b]at all[/b] but the woman would probably have done her rant and then driven off without letting him get a calm and considered word in edgeways, so he'd have been bullied, shouted at and then summarily dismissed, hardly likely to improve his mood eh?

[quote=Cougar ]She was in the wrong, but if he'd kept calm and waited for her to shift rather than shouting at her then the argument would probably have been avoided.

I get the impression if he'd waited for her to shift it would have gone dark first. Well that or the car drivers behind her would have dragged her from the car and beaten her to a pulp. So he did her a favour really.

You are just making excuses for crap driving, and trying to blame the victim.

I'm really not at all - it's weird how you can't say anything even vaguely critical of a cyclist without some people jumping down your throat.

I said the woman was an idiot but apparently I'm blaming the victim. 😕

She was in the wrong, but if he'd kept calm and waited for her to shift rather than shouting at her then the argument would probably have been avoided.

+1

I'm sorry, but no way was he overreacting. The 4x4 was deliberately trying to bully him off the road.
Its not like he lobbed his bike through her windscreen, he mumbled a few swear words out of earshot.

to me she strikes me as the type of driver who would sit in a yellow box junction and then stare ahead obliviously and if anyone pointed out she was in the wrong she would go mental and blame everyone else.

is this thread still running?

How on earth can you think she would have acted reasonably but for him?

What part of her behaviour from start to finish makes you think she was about to be reasonable? Really WHAT PART?

There is just no evidence whatsoever to suggest the only think that stopped her being reasonable was his "lack of calm".
FFS how much more unreasonable do you want her to be?
She blocked the road deliberately and was on the wrong side of the road
She had space to move to legally where she should have been even once stopped and doe snot
She opens her door on him as he tries to pass to complain about his position in the road thereby creating the confrontation rather than the stand off - note she was in the wrong but he still moved out of her way yet still he is over reacting eh
She ends up screaming about assault

You really think the only thing that stopped her being reasonable was his reaction of swearing at conversational level and gesticulating about road position
Shakes head in disbelief.

maybe he should have carried on, clipped her car and fallen off and then let the police deal with her driving down the wrong side of the road whilst failing to give way to oncoming traffic due to an obstruction on her side of the road...

it's weird how you can't say anything even vaguely critical of a cyclist without some people jumping down your throat.

Well if you actually described what happened, instead of exaggerating the cyclists actions that may have been true, but as that isn't what you actually did, my criticism stands. You even completely exaggerated my reaction, jumping down your throat, really?

Again the argument you are putting forward is a complete contradiction. You would ignore a car driver on the wrong side of the road bullying you off the road as trivial, but would react to a shrug and being gestured onto the correct side of the road with some lip movements you couldn't hear.

[quote=Junkyard ]Shakes head in disbelief.

Very restrained of you. I'm sitting here swearing and gesticulating at the other people on this thread.

grum - do you really think she would have actually shifted if he'd waited? My last post might seem humorous, but I'm serious - I reckon she would have just sat there until forced to do something.

How on earth can you think she would have acted reasonably but for him?

Um.... who/what are you responding to here?

is this thread still running?

Once a thread starts to be hit big, it reaches a sort of terminal velocity. I believe the extra weight of multiple copy and paste replies can actually accelerate the exponential growth rate of a thread.

this is getting interesting as far as debates/arguments go....

i've got the biscuits...who's turn is it to make the brews? 😛

Well if you actually described what happened, instead of exaggerating the cyclists actions that may have been true, but as that isn't what you actually did, my criticism stands. You even completely exaggerated my reaction, jumping down your throat, really?

Yes, accusing me of blaming the victim is a ridiculous overreaction. How is saying he got sweary and arm-wavy exaggerating? Which bit of that is factually incorrect?

Honestly, it's no wonder there's such an us/them situation on the roads when some people are so hysterical.

grum - do you really think she would have actually shifted if he'd waited? My last post might seem humorous, but I'm serious - I reckon she would have just sat there until forced to do something.

I dunno - that's what I would have imagined would happen before she revealed herself to be utterly mental once the car door opened. 🙂

I think we all need to calm down, group ride in 20mins? meet you in reception?