[Closed] Rims similar to a Mavic 719 but.....

Alex must do something?

Not sure how 'similar' they are to 719's but are these worth a look

[url= http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=49&products_id=248 ]superstar vapour[/url]

and presumably perform as well?

Sadly peter I am afraid to say no 🙁
When it come to rims I wouldn't par with quality. You could go a bit lighter with DT, but they are not as strong.
Or you could go with spank (nice choice of colour) but they don't have double eyes on the spokes and they are more expensive (in France anyway).

You could go a bit lighter with DT

I specifically [u]DON'T[/u] want to go lighter! 🙂

I want something similar to a 719. i.e. - a slightly wider, slightly beefier rim than the 717s I'm using right now. Just a bit cheaper.

As for 'performance', well, if it's round and I can fit a tyre to it, what else is there to say? Enough people say on here that build quality is most important, and I'll be building them myself. 8)

I put Sun S.O.S. rims on my Pitch, which are every bit as good as a DT Swiss 5.1, but half the price.

Sun don't seem to have a match to a 719 though, nor do Richey.

WTB Dual Duty look close, weight and price wise, but I can't find the width of them anywhere.......

I'll try Alex next. 🙂

Sun equalizers?

Yeah, the Equalizers look fine, but for that price I might as well get a 719. 🙂

Halo? Atomlab?

wtb widths are on the website [url= http://www.wtb-bike.eu/en/dual-duty-cross-country-c17-p70.htm ]here[/url]

Mavic 319 ??

You won't get anything lighter except for a stans rim, but they're not cheaper.

Not far from moon on a stick territory here.
🙂

You won't get anything lighter except for a stans rim, but they're not cheaper.

[B][U][SIZE=4]I DON'T WANT LIGHTER!!!!!!! [/SIZE][/U][/B]

At no point did I say lighter, not anywhere, not at all, not even a suggestion. AND I've already said so above!

To quote myself -

a similar width and weight but, say, half the price?

[B][U][SIZE=4]READ THE EFFING QUESTION!!![/SIZE][/U][/B]

And rest. 🙂

As for 'performance', well, if it's round and I can fit a tyre to it, what else is there to say?

IME Mavic rims are always v strong for the weight, cheaper brands may not be - so by economising you may be getting something that is not as strong as you need.

Can't see past mavic/stans myself, I'd be reluctant to try any other brands, given the time, effort and cost that a rebuild requires.

Tomthumb, thanks for that, It seems the WTBs might be about right, and only £26, so pretty cheap. Thankyou. 🙂

(I was looking at the USA website, which doesn't seem to have widths on it)

You won't get anything lighter except for a stans rim, but they're not cheaper.

DT Swiss 4.2d are lighter than Mavic 717. But that's not what Pete is interested in obviously.

Can't see past mavic/stans myself, I'd be reluctant to try any other brands, given the time, effort and cost that a rebuild requires.

You should remove your 'bling goggles'! 😉

My SUN SOS rims are great for about £23 each. I came by a pair of wheels with them on very cheaply, so decided to use them, and I can't really fault them. I've pretty much always had Mavics before too, but now I can build my own wheels, the cost of trying new stuff is zilch!

Fair enough, but I've had bad experiences of Sun in the past.

Sorry, misread the question.

Nice handbag moment there. 😉 (visions of PP in Widow T****y costume)

Toys. Window. Gone. Sorry

i've got a wtb 29er rim (might be a cross rim) it was very cheap and has a pinned joint.

not only can you feel the mass of the join when you spin it but it just build round at that point - onoly noticable on the jig rather than on the wheel though.

this is probably true of all pinned rims rather than wtb - i've only built a handful of wheels and this was the first pinned joint.

I'd say Alex, Quest, Quando. Any of those.

Had the same dilemma last year. Went for Mavic 521's which IIRC are a fraction wider, a bit heavier and much less dosh. Still perfectly true after 9 months despite some incompetence driven rear wheel/water bar impacts

If you want a rim exactly like a 719, why not just buy a 719?! They are cheap as cheese as it is! I paid just over £20 for each of mine.

are Mavic 512's that much heavier I have one on an XT hub and was surprised how light it was...

WTB Trail rims on my Pitch have worked well but bling googles mean the Flows are on their way 😉

"If you want a rim exactly like a 719, why not just buy a 719"

you'll get shouted at for not reading the question.

He wants something similar to a 719, but not exactly a 719...

Where do you get a 719 for £20??? share please

[b]I DON'T WANT LIGHTER!!!!!!![/b]

There's no need to shout at people, is there? Scienceofficer may be a bit dozy, and may not have read the question properly, but they were only trying to be helpful, and all you can do is have a temper tantrum and shout at them. It's not very nice, is it?

I was going to suggest something, but you've been mean and nasty so I'm not going to. 🙁

He wants something similar to a 719, but not exactly a 719...

No, I want something like a 719 but cheaper than £41 than CRC are charging> That's it. Price.
If Billysan can tell me where I can get black 719s for £20 each, I'll be ripping their arms off to be honest!

So, Billysan, where are the £20 719s please?? 🙂

for £20/pair I'd be tempted too...

There's no need to shout at people, is there? Scienceofficer may be a bit dozy, and may not have read the question properly, but they were only trying to be helpful, and all you can do is have a temper tantrum and shout at them. It's not very nice, is it?

Lets call it 'exasperation' shall we? I get it when people can't read a simple question.....TWICE! Becasue then eveyone else latches onto an incorrect viewpoint and the origional question gets ignored
😉 8)

Anyroadup, watter under brij, case closed 🙂

Well I think you should apologise to ScienceOfficer, and then have a good long hard think about your behaviour, and how you can improve it.

And I don't think you deserve any nice new rims at all, at least not until you can show us that your behaviour has improved.

Bad Poddy. Wicked Poddy. Eeeeeevil Poddy. Poddy sorry. Poddy never do it again. Poddy be good now....
🙁

PP firmly placed on the STW 'Thinking Step', there.

How long do I have to stay here? It's cold on this step. 😕

Well until you understand that your behaviour was unacceptable, and needs to change. ScienceOfficer could have been extremely upset by your nastiness.

I'll be monitoring your behaviour from now on. Make sure this doesn't happen again.

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No use crying. You'll get no sympathy here. You've brought it upon yourself.

Talkemada is clearly struggling to cope with being out of the classroom during the long Easter break.

Still no sign of the mythical £20 719s then?

Quelle surprise....! 😉

well you spoiled it for all of us, didn't you!

No! I asked him where to get them. What else could I have said? 🙂

'Please'

😉

well you spoiled it for all of us, didn't you!

See? See what you've done? I hope you're happy now.

'Please'

Aww rats. That's torn it then. 🙁

thanks for standing up for me chaps.

This being an internet forum an' all you really ought to develop thicker skin though. 8)

My bad in the first place for scan reading, I believe my response adequately emphasised the rather OTT response. 😆

Now where are these magical £20 rims?!

Sorry mate, he seems to have gone into hiding on that question 🙁

It's because you've frightened him off with your nastiness. 🙁

Now, if you apologise nicely to ScienceOfficer, for your disgraceful behaviour, maybe we'll all get to learn about £20 Mavic 719 rims.

I already have. No more to be said.

£20 719s =
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😉

I already have.

No you haven't. Not properly.

Now, go and say 'I'm sorry, ScienceOfficer, for being so nasty and mean, and I promise it won't happen again.'

Go on. We're waiting.

£30 719s on eBay:

[url] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390140578742 [/url]

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just block the 4 holes you don't need.

...and Rigida Zac 19R are decent rims, also 19mm wide, double eyeletted and I've built probably around 14ish, they build up well.

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just block the 4 holes you don't need.

Indeed. I already have the hub, which happens to be a 32h.

and Rigida Zac 19R are decent rims, also 19mm wide, double eyeletted and I've built probably around 14ish

At 610g each, I'm surprised you had the strength to heave that many of them up into your wheel builing jig! 😉

The current favourite WTB Dual Duty are 450g
(21mm wide and only 10g more then a 719, for £30 a pair less)

Sooo, back to the original question. Mavic EN521's are a bit beefier than 719's and a bit wider so weigh 540gm vs the 719 at 460gm. On CRC the 719's are £40 and the 521's £30 so 25% cheaper.

Mavic EN521's are a bit beefier than 719's and a bit wider so weigh 540gm vs the 719 at 460gm. On CRC the 719's are £40 and the 521's £30 so 25% cheaper.

Yep, maybe so, but with that much weight increase I'd expect more than 'a bit beefier' for starters, and WTBs are £27, and 450g. 🙂 [url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?PartnerID=79&ModelID=35319 ]SEE HERE[/url]

The hoofing great big Sun SOS rims I have, and referred to earlier, on my Pitch are slightly lighter than 521s, and they're only £22!

To ba fair, I'm quite happy with the longevity of the 717s I have at the moment, but I can't really fit much wider tyres on them without them folding off the rims in the corners.
My rear 717 is pretty knackered, but still going, and the hub attached to it is past it's best too. I've got a nice spare rear hub (DT Swiss) ready to build up to replace said shonky wheel, and rather than just putting another 717 on, the idea is to get a pair, and put a slightly wider rim on the front as well. I think I'm OK for spokes, so a pair of those WTBs seem about right to me, not much more than a single 717, but not an eye-watering £82 for a pair of 719s. 😀

Talkemada - You're a teacher aren't you?

PP EN521s are great rims. Was a toss up between 719s and 521s, went for the 521s for 2 reasons. Wider so better tyre profile and no rolling off the rim. Stronger too, so my lardy carcass isn't killing them like the 717s i had before.

Ebay 719's with the extra 4 holes already filled for you, £30
[url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAVIC-XM-719--26%22-32H-RIM-SILVER-ONLY-RRP-%A345.99_W0QQitemZ390140528920QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&rvr_id=&cguid=c618d5361210a0e202e56c45ffe895d4#ht_2743wt_941 ]719[/url]

D'oh forgot about having to be black

Talkemada - You're a teacher aren't you?

No, no; I'm the Chief Inquisitor. Far less terrifying! 😀

Have you apologised yet Poddy? No, you haven't, have you? 🙁