I'm struggling to find out if the 2013 single-air Revs (will) have either UTurn or Dual-Position options.
Anyone worked it out yet?
Solo air springs and dual position air systems, they're available now.
Cool. And will they still make 1,1/8th steerers or are they all tapered nowadays?
All tapered aftermarket, but can be changed if needed, O.E will probably be available 1 1/8", brands are really pushing tapered and 15mm qr on trail forks this year!
Got some thinking to do. Thanks
Hey Loco,
Can the dual air dual position forks be fitted with the travel reducing spacers? So could a 150/110 air fork be turned into 130/100?
Thanks.
2013 solo air Revs don't have the travel reduction spacers any more, but need a whole new air spring of the desired length, not sure about dual position though.
[i]All tapered aftermarket[/i]
blimey.
Didn't realise that 1 1/8th would become unsupported for aftermarket purchasers so quickly.
hmm, what about the 2012 version, do you know if they would work the way i described? Thanks.
Dual position air systems (2011/13) need to be replaced as well to reduce the travel, think RRP is £145 ish for parts (we'll be a bit cheaper obviously)
As jim says the solo airs need to air springs assm's to reduce travel as well.
Still using my dual air 2012 Reves as more scope for sdjusting pressures.
I reckon manufacturers are trying to make stuff easier for customers to set up (3 pos damping a la RCT3 and CTD and low speed compression) and solo air so just one pressure to set not two to confuse people when they get the pressure/volume relationship between the pos and neg chambers in a pickle. 😕
looks like the merlin 2013 revs are taper though? at about same price, which is pretty nice/useless depending on your frame.. no specs at all i could see there though.
are the 2013s upgraded in any way do you know Loco?
Damping is the same system, DNA moco and dual flow rebound, air springs are solo air as opposed to dual air in 2012, bear in mind we can supply these too and they're stripped, prepped and adjusted too. 😉
hmm ok so 2012 is the one to have, that's what i have 🙂 they really didn't improve anything performance wise? chassis? stupid little screw holding cable on that everyone strips?
Maybe, I'm running 2012 RCT3 dual airs 8)
Hey LoCo
Your [i]really[/i] should update your website to reflect that you are stocking dual position Revs.
I'm running 2012 RCT3 solo air Dual Position 😀
Right, that's it, I'm never selling my 2010 u-turn 20mm maxle standard steerer Revelations.
All very confusing to me 😕
Also think i'll stick to my 2010 SL 20mm's
uh, "stupid screw" i meant was the brake hose guide, not the cable grub, you'd be a muppet to mess that up.
so is the Rev "done" as far as RS is concerned? don't really have any complaints about 2012s.. so far.
btw those on 2010, i think damping is quite a bit better with "dual flow".
using too many "" today sorry.
smiff - Memberbtw those on 2010, i think damping is quite a bit better with "dual flow".
Blackbox 8)
Blackbox is so 2010 RLT TI it's all about the RCT3 😉
Is it just me and my ham fisted servicing, or is the rebound adjustment on 2010 revs very off/on and not progressive through the clicks?
I thought that was just a 3-position lockout thing sort of like CTD?
The moco is different and has a separte piston for the low speed compression with a shim stack.
will see if I've got a picture. 😀
Ah, so there's a performance difference not just a control difference. Cool, ta!
So in that case... Let's say you had someone with a 2010 blackbox one, who was being all smug but possibly didn't know what he was talking about (hypothetically, like...). Is there any new hottness that can be wedged into these older forks to make them better still?
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crap phone pic, shim stack and piston fit onto the bottom of the moco.
it's a straight swap into the RLT Ti s and work with the dual flow rebound, although they work a bit better if the dual flow assm. is reshimmed a little, in a similar way to the 2012 ones 😀
RCT3 fine unless you like remote lockout.. maybe they should figure a way to make the 3 position remote controllable. but seems like RS are going into electronic controls for rear shock, so probably front too, maybe 2014? me no likey :/
The remotes are a bit of a pain TBH, unless they're hydraulic they do seem to cause people alot of issues with sticky/dirty cable and weak return springs.
Not sure the electronic kit is going to catch on, I reckon there will be numerous issues with them and it just makes stuff more complicated than it needs to be, it'd be nice if manufacturers could just concentrate on making the current stuff work even better, they are only 'push' bikes after all 😉
Ok while we're on it then. What's the difference between the blackbox damping in my 2010 RLT Tis and the stuff that followed on from them. Or put another way, where did the 'blackbox' go? Did that technology just get 'upgraded' into the subsequent models or what?
Apologies to LoCo if you have indeed answered this up there and I'm just too numpty to get it. ... ta in advance.
you better take a course in electrical engineering/programming if you want to continue tuning shocks post .. about 2020? haha 😉 it's going to be like cars, plug a laptop in and diagnose. has anyone seen what they're doing with rear shocks, using sensors on fork? how will fork sense, using 3d cameras? Nooo.
basically, DNA is cheaper than BB and more reliable. similar results? LoCo probably knows more..
Haha electronics arn't an issue 😉 it's more the reliabilty, availabilty of parts and the costs to the customer, the concern me, I just care too much you know 😆 😉
The units are built with standard parts from what an ex military electrical enginneer freind has told me, the units are well sealed, unsurpisingly but should be rebuildable which out too much hassle.
LoCo, can an RCT3 unit be dropped into 12/13 Rebas?
Yes, Andrew one of the team riders has some custom RCT3 specced Rebas, however it's better to fit the dual flow rebound damper as well or on it's own otherwise the RCT3 damper doesn't work quite so well, with the original rebound damper.
Simon
when you say dual flow do you mean Dual Air? as my RCT3 are single air.
2012 are dual air spring with a dual flow rebound damper and a DNA RCT3 motion control damper.
2012 Dual position airs are solo air travel adjustable. with the same damping.
2013 are Solo air fixed travel. with the same damping
2013 Dual position airs are the same as 2012 ones.
ahhh so the solo air in the 2012 just lose to adjustment of the dual air valves, good too know.
by the way the RCT is a cracking fork.
Yes basically and the decals are new are look rather nice, loving my RCT3 dual airs too 😀
Can the revelations be ordered in different travel setting or is it case of you buy the 150mm and then have to buy a new damper?
RS website makes no sense as always!
boxxer - it's the air side, not the damper, but they come as 150 and you buy a whole new assembly.
Email me with what you're after - I can work out a price including the swap for you. I can check stock/due dates on the different travel options if you'd like?
info@18bikes.co.uk
Loco, can Revelation RCT3 29" Dual Airs be converted to Dual Position?
18 bikes. I'm not ready to buy yet, looking to sort out a new frame over the next month or so, once that's done I will drop you guys an email.
It's a bit of a PITA really as I was hoping to swap between settings to see where the TRC will feel best for me.
LoCo, do you know what's happening with the 2013 Sektors, will they be available with 1 1/8th steerer and travel reducing spacers, also how does the damper compare to my RTL Ti's?
Blackbox 20mm dual air Revs - potentially going spare if you need a pair that adjusts by a simple spacer.
Boxxer, it's the sol air spring assembly that needs replacing to adjust travel, we do this at the same time as when we strip, adjust and tune all the forks we sell.
Cooie, yes you they cabn be swapped but it's not cheap
Stevenk, yes they're 1 1/8" steerers, the damping is more basic than the rlt ti revs, but we can tune them for you.
Any queries feel free to drop us a mail 😀
Loco, how much roughly does the solo air spring replace?
They're £77 at rrp, off the top of my head as on my phone, we're considerably cheaper than that though 😀
Cheers Loco.
SRAM need to sort out their site and make it clear.
Been as its not all that expensive I may still take the rev route.
Cooie, yes you they cabn be swapped but it's not cheap
Cheers, think I'll give it a miss then 🙂
Stevenk, yes they're 1 1/8" steerers, the damping is more basic than the rlt ti revs, but we can tune them for you.
Can their travel be adjusted with spacers, may be interested in getting a tune for them if they are.
Also, what are the dual flow upgrade possibilities for my RLT Ti's?
No problem boxxer - if you're looking at a TRc, give us a shout too. Just bought one myself, playing around with 140 vs 130 (X Fusion Velvet)
Si
Stevenk, yes the solo air Sektors can be spaced down, reducing the travel and axle to crown, as the system is differnt to the Revelation solo air system.
The RLT Ti Revelations have got a Dual flow rebound assembly in then, but you could upgrade the compression damper wirth an RCT3 unit and re tune the rebound damper. 😀