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people are sucked in by so called scientific babble
I'm not, though.
Well, it is day 2 after my century / first use of a 400ml milk / high5 stuff. Still have slightly achy quads (like normal) however, I did notice on my morning commute I have more 'beans' than usual, like I do after a few days off the bike. Despite supposedly trying to cycle in zone2 I found myself chasing a segment at 30mph+....
Completely non scientific but I don't usually feel like pushing hard a day after a 6hr ride
I've bought a big tub of the stuff. Compared to what the bike cost, or even that matter a pair of bib shorts / jersey its a fraction and if it means I feel better on the bike I'm up for it.
Once the tubs finished I'll have a go at plain nesquick / milk and see if I can spot a difference
people are sucked in by so called scientific babble
So you're argueing against science in general?
Once the tubs finished I'll have a go at plain nesquick / milk and see if I can spot a difference
Also try Torq. Seriously, and I'm not affiliated.
Milk+banana+honey+cocoa+scoop of porridge oats+scoop of whey protein+ice cubes. Liquidise. Drink.
Beer for afters.
I have this before riding also, without the whey.
Bit disappointed I don't feel any different then, maybe I was expecting too much and it will be tomorrow I'll feel like running up stairs / jumping on the bike for another all dayer.
Was going to say it won't make you feel any better necessarily, but your body would respond better if you got back out on the bike today. read your next post and you seem to be confirming this.
FWIW I have felt a benefit when increasing exercise volume (I tend to mix it up even when aiming at a specific event, just to get more time in without getting jaded - so I'll run, cycle, swim, climb whatever just do more of it), if you were commuting a decent distance on top of doing longer weekend rides I think it'd help you cope long term.
So you're argueing against science in general?
arguing against rubbish science - if you eat properly there is no need for "recovery" you're body will piss and poop any excess glucose and protein out.
eating properly is the key.
arguing against rubbish science - if you eat properly there is no need for "recovery" you're body will piss and poop any excess glucose and protein out.
Excess, no, it'll turn excess glucose to fat, as long as it's absorbed by the gut; but the recovery drink isn't 'excess' it's what you need to replace what you've lost.
I don't think it's rubbish science, tbh. If you have more evidence please share. Preferably specific to amateur training MTBers or at least cyclists.
Carbs after exercise DEFINITELY speeds recovery, for me - that's been proven beyond doubt over the years. Whether or not I'm better off recovering quickly or slowly, well that's another debate, and I coudn't say. And recovery drink is a bit more effective than other methods, again for me, in my fairly long experience of feeding myself.
you're not eating enough carbs during exercise then. most glucose is pissed out of the body
The commonly quoted figure for carb absorbtion during exercise is 1g/kg body weight per hour. As in, any more than that will be pissed out. However a bit of maths should reveal that it's quite easy to use up a lot more than that, so I'm bound to finish depleted.
That's what reco drink is for.
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you're not eating enough carbs during exercise then. most glucose is pissed out of the body
Virtually all the glucose that is filtered through the glomeruli is reabsorbed by the proximal renal tubule and so glycosuria represents a pathological state not one induced by diet or exercise.
The amount of glucose reabsorbed by the kidneys is usually 99.9%. Adults excrete a total glucose content of about 65 mg per day, an amount undetectable by standard techniques.
you're not eating enough carbs during exercise then. most glucose is pissed out of the body
Virtually all the glucose that is filtered through the glomeruli is reabsorbed by the proximal renal tubule and so glycosuria represents a pathological state not one induced by diet or exercise.
The amount of glucose reabsorbed by the kidneys is usually 99.9%. Adults excrete a total glucose content of about 65 mg per day, an amount undetectable by standard techniques.
I was about to say, if you're pissing out glucose then you have more problems than arguing on the internet about the advatages of a sugary drink after exercise and should see a Dr sharpish.
I can't believe this thread has reached almost two pages without a single mention of the one truly evil downside of recovery drinks.....
The farts
The earth-quaking, eye-watering, nose hair-singeing, marriage-endangering farts!
Seriously, the Maxim stuff should be banned under the Geneva convention.
Virtually all the glucose that is filtered through the glomeruli is reabsorbed by the proximal renal tubule
Pwned.
Pwned by google search, but pwned anyway. Stored as fat, not piddled out. Again though, it's a reminder that your body drives down the middle of the road, more is not more.
Again though, it's a reminder that your body drives down the middle of the road
Meaning what?
PS I don't think hilldodger just googles this stuff, he seems to know a fair bit generally.
No-one else get horrendous wind from recovery drinks then?
Or explain why I do?
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Glycosuria.htm
A good source of info though, and presumably knew what to look for.
Meaning, too much protein is a waste, your body won't benefit from it. Our normal diet should meet our protein needs, so there's no need for hyped recovery drinks. None. Unless you're some kind of pro who trains more than once a day, and I mean trains, not just commutes or tootles about for an hour...
I used to not have protein drinks, then started with them and recovery seemed quicker and stopped snacking on everything edible in my cupboard.
So they may be over hyped and there maybe easier and cheaper alternatives but it has done the trick for me.
As for the wind problem, I am always a bit gusty in the trouser department so no real change there 🙂
Meaning, too much protein is a waste, your body won't benefit from it.
That's true, and as I understand it it's questionable if the protein in recovery drink makes any difference. I think the theory is that rather than actually being used for rebuilding muscle, it's simply there to aid the absorbtion of the carbohydrate.
The protein is not the point of the recovery drink -the carbohydrate is.
Unless you're some kind of pro who trains more than once a day, and I mean trains, not just commutes or tootles about for an hour
Some of us train hard (or have done so) despite not being pros. It doesn't matter how fast you are actually going, it matters how much you are stressing your body. And anyone can stress their body to its limits, pro or not.
This is not some widget to try and make you go faster, this is about recovering from training to enable you to do more.
The way I see it. There's a lot of contradiction and uncertainty in the field of nutrition and each time I attempt to research anything I end up more confused.
But we're talking about chocolate milk here... I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt 🙂
Homemade here. Milk. Banana. Cocoa. *slurps*
Yep, the only option is to try it for yourself and see how you get on. Which is what I did, but apparently that's wrong and makes me a stupid marketing led idiot.
Although, if I were to STOP using it, then would I be an idiot who gives in to peer pressure instead?
Which is worse? Dilemma.
I gave up caring what other people thought of me a long time ago. 🙂
Grips I think you've thrown some toys there. There's no peer pressure, the evidence is there for everyone to see, but you need to read it from places that aren't selling something.
I think I'm just gonna continue having a chocolate Yazoo (not a euphemism) after my rides and feeling better for it.
I call it a "chocolate milk" rather than a "recovery drink", if that makes it easier for the contrarians to swallow?
thrown some toys there.
This is where STW threads on supplements or energy/recovery products generally end up.
but you need to read it from places that aren't selling something
Ok. Do you have some? I do take the commercial websites with a pinch of salt of course but what I have done is try the more plausible products anyway rather than dismiss them.
A few things I have tried, based on the advice of their vendors, I have topped using because I did not see any benefit. However, Torq reco is not one of them.
Pwned by google search, but pwned anyway. Stored as fat, not piddled out. Again though, it's a reminder that your body drives down the middle of the road, more is not more.
Well and truly lol. TBF it's been a while since I studied nephrology and never really paid attention to it then 🙁
Well back from my usual 2hr / 37mile / 1800ft loop. Quads still ached, but felt strong, lots of energy to keep pushing. 18 PRs.
Works for me. Or maybe its a placebo?
No farts so far....hmmmm....maybe I need more?
Choco YAZOO half price in Tesco
From my experience of riding and recovery ! eat well BEFORE obviously, DURING as finishing depleted will hammer you more and AFTER as this will aid recovery.
At the end Of the day your all arguing about Supplements !
Thats what they do supplement a balanced diet. i certainly dont see any benefit from taking it and ive tried, it bloats me and if anything makes me lethargic !
Whetehr thats true or not i dint know, i've never had it certified by scientist, but we are all different so if it works for you crack on.
I can't face normal food after exercise and milk makes me heave so I use a recovery drink.
I've tried a few and as molgrips i've found the Torq stuff seems to work best for me.
Kuco
Whats Normal food ?
Thats why we are all different, given the choice between a Massive Sunday roast and a Glass of Chemicals 💡
Normal food, anything thats solid 🙂 I even struggle eating a banana after a ride. I'm okay after about an hour or so it's just when I initially stop riding.
Yeah, after a hard ride I can't stomach a meal either. I have to wait a few hours. Fairly common I think..?
Doesn't matter if you can't face a meal after training, that's not a reason to go for 'recovery' drinks. Plus, your gut is clever, you can train it.
No, the fact it aids recovery is though 🙂
Maybe I don't push hard enough but for short fairly intense rides I don't need to fuel during in 2hrs I'll burn approx 1500c so not enough to deplete reserves. So a recovery shake is all I'm taking on now, then a normal meal. It my hugely limited trial of 3 days / 2 rides and 2 shakes it seems to be positive, I just expected it to help with the pain....rather than give me more energy to ride if that makes sense.
I am however having massive sugar cravings and in the last couple of weeks taken to snacking on jelly babies late evening, which are supposed to be in the cupboard for long days out. Maybe the body saying it needs more.
i could eat a scabby oss after a ride !
So i'm meant to force food down me which I won't enjoy or have the possibility of seeing it again whereas a recovery drink goes down without any hassle and stays down.
And no matter how much I try to train my stomach to accept milk it will never happen.
I've found through experience recovery drinks work for me so will I be sticking with them.
discoduck i've got a mate who's the same and I often think he would eat one while riding 😀
Dt78, maybe you're just getting fitter. A flat 60km loop in two hours shouldn't leave you with sore legs the next day. I think your "full of beans" feeling was progress rather than recovery drink!
I've never been a fan of expensive, horrible tasting supplements and have managed on monster rides with oatcakes and dried fruit. However I always got massive cramp attacks after finishing and felt pish the next day. I've taken to drinking the supermarket equivalent of Lucozade Sport during and after a ride and it helps massively.
I do of course then have to lick the cats butthole to get rid of the taste. 🙁
Plus side is I've now found out I can drink Erdinger instead! 😀
I'll burn approx 1500c so not enough to deplete reserves.
Well, you can only store what, 2000kcal worth of glycogen, so you can deplete a fair portion of that quit easily.
Maybe the body saying it needs more.
What, don't you read the diet threads? IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE WEAK! YOU WORTHLESS FATTIE!
Fattie?! Lightest I've been in 20 years (thank you road bike)
Maybe it is getting fitter / progress rather than magic powder. and probably something to do with nice dry sunny days too.
whats the science ( if any ) for chocolate milk? Does the chocolate actually have any effect, other than taste nice 🙂
out of interest does anyone stretch after riding?