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2nd place wtf
Norris's tongue!
I don't understand the scoring as I never do each year.
I accept Semanuk was top, sure, but the rest is a mystery
#jaxsongotrobbed
Well I enjoyed that . Too many flips on the dancefloor at the end I thought. Off for a redbull now. Fancy one @copa ?
Inclined to agree @sharkattack , no idea how the scoring works but Jaxson’s run seemed way better, with new tricks and a FMX feel, very surprised he’s not even in the top 5!
I thought semenuk deserved the win, Boggs and riddle were top after that for me, each for different reasons!
I don’t understand the scoring as I never do each year.
Yup, but I thought the scoring was more consistent this year than it has been previously. Would've been interesting to see how Van Steenbergen was scored for landing the front flip. Hope he's okay.
Semenuk is a worthy winner but below that the points were all over the place. Can't believe how far down the order Jaxson dropped. It's like the judges were only scoring flips. I'm a bit bored of seeing straight flip after straight flip. It was nice to see a bit of flair.
I don’t understand the scoring as I never do each year.
Personally I think scoring of all things slope style, BMX, real MTB are so impossible.
To me there is alpha, beta, gamma catagory where you can sat this group of 2-3 or riders was broadly better than this group of 2-3 riders but beyond that it becomes a task of trying to come up with a scoring system that inevitably misses aspects for every aspect it trys to gain.
The public want a "winner" though!
Riddle wins within the next three years?
Reminded me (in spirit, not style) of Lacondeguy's winning run a few year's back - just do your own thing even if it's not the accepted Rampage stuff. Brilliant, fresh riding.
Van Steenbergen was scored for landing the front flip. Hope he’s okay.
Some press Ret out about both hip sockets broken, top of fema, and a vertibra. Sounds horrific to be honest and possibly life changing. Fingers crossed though.
Do redbull provide healthcare insurance for all entries over the event, or is it a requirement of entry? Sure hope so but heard something a couple of years ago about some people without insurance.
Semenuk seemed pretty unexcited by his win
It felt like van steenburgens crash had them all worried
Fortunately He seems like he'll make a recovery, but these aren't minor injuries
Do redbull provide healthcare insurance for all entries over the event, or is it a requirement of entry? Sure hope so but heard something a couple of years ago about some people without insurance
This is an amazing and harrowing documentary about what happened to Paul Basagoitia broke his spine at rampage
American healthcare being what it is, insurance & his sponsors looked after him but the injuries were life changing and the money ran out eventually
Gets a bit dusty in the room when u watch it
Any One Of Us: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p08q6jh8 via @bbciplayer
Sure, the riders are doing what they love, and they’d be doing it anyway, but once you plaster your logo all over their terrain and clothes, you’re getting them to sell your product by literally risking their necks. Must be harder to back out of a run when you know there’s a global audience watching.
Feels like exploitation to me.
I’d feel way more comfortable about this event if they were upfront about what commercial and safety arrangements each of the riders has (plus all of the insurance and aftercare). At least with F1 you know the drivers are all insanely rich, and they bang on about safety all the time.
Should we, as the people watching and enjoying the event, pay something towards it to go towards the riders. I know Red Bull are a big company but extreme sports fans get an awful lot of top quality free content from them with very little advertising (I know they have RB banners everywhere but they don't seem to spend any time actively advertising their drink). Rampage has felt a little strange for me this year, so many big injuries just in practice. I don't enjoy it any more than the DH World Cup but the risk Vs reward for Rampage seems a bit unbalanced in comparison.
So the show was won by a guy doing spinny flippy things on a man made track wearing the event sponsor helmet. I really struggle to see how any of it has anything to do with progressing the sport of mountain biking.
So the show was won by a guy doing spinny flippy things on a man made track wearing the event sponsor helmet.
You could quit your job and train every day with the world's best coaches and facilities, Red Bull could literally rain money on you, and you could never, ever do those spinny flippy things on that track.
If belittling the efforts of one of the sports best ever riders make you feel better crack on.
So the show was won by a guy doing spinny flippy things on a man made track wearing the event sponsor helmet. I really struggle to see how any of it has anything to do with progressing the sport of mountain biking.
Really you don't ? You don't think 40' drops that are now flipped, or 40' gaps that are now front flipped as progressing the sport of MTBing ? Pushing limits, boundaries. Look at the newer riders who are coming in and having to rider harder and better, bigger and dare i say gnarlier stuff just to be allowed to compete. You then only have to sit and watch Friday fails and Saturday sends to see how that brings progression to the masses, it makes all the youngsters try and push more.
Or is that simply not what you see MTBing as a sport as being ?
Should we, as the people watching and enjoying the event, pay something towards it to go towards the riders
I'm not against that at all.... but i'll bet we'd be in the minority there. However pinkbike has shown that when the chips are down and riders injured, the public WILL help them out longer term. I recall at least a couple of riders who had many thousands donated to help with their recovery.
One thing i do question slightly though is "should redbull cover all their medical bills", however, to an extent you'd think the riders themselves should also have a sense of their own medical cover through insurance. I doubt it's the easiest thing on the planet to get cover for, but i'd expect it can be done.
Is there any update on the lad who had the big fall ?
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/tom-van-steenbergen-broke-hip-sockets-into-multiple-pieces-femur-lower-vertebrae-and-shoulder-in-red-bull-rampage-crash.htmlMedics immediately surrounded him and quickly took him off location on a spine board. Now, he has posted an update from the hospital on his multiple injuries, which include breaking his left and right hip sockets into multiple pieces, breaking a piece off the top of his femur, breaking a piece of his lower vertebrae, and separating his shoulder.
I’m a bit bored of seeing straight flip after straight flip. It was nice to see a bit of flair.
I'm with you on that. It's nice to have one flip in a run but the style of the whole thing should score higher points I feel. I really enjoyed that ride and how complete and smooth it looked. Semenuk for the win still though
Now, he has posted an update from the hospital on his multiple injuries, which include breaking his left and right hip sockets into multiple pieces, breaking a piece off the top of his femur, breaking a piece of his lower vertebrae, and separating his shoulder.
What a buzzkill.
copa
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What a tool
It is hard to follow the scoring but you could tell Semunuks run was something special so you can at least correlate that with the win.
My feelings towards Red Bull were definitely diminished after the Paul Basagoitia incident. I know these guys would do it anyway but when corporate sponsors are enabling these events they should have contingency for riders future welfare.
This isn't like paying pissed tramps to fight, these competitors seem from their interviews like educated and rational folk who are able to make their own judgements on risk and participation. Not seeing where the exploitation is.
Semenuk seemed pretty unexcited by his win
He is amazingly talented but I don't find him that interesting to watch as it feels like there is zero passion. Comes across like a mountain biking Mark Zuckerberg 😉
That's probably grossly unfair and I haven't seen that side of him...
People used to say that about Sam Hill. Not everyone is Mr Charisma in front of a camera.
chrismac
Full MemberSo the show was won by a guy doing spinny flippy things on a man made track wearing the event sponsor helmet. I really struggle to see how any of it has anything to do with progressing the sport of mountain biking.
Well, that is a shame.
This isn’t like paying pissed tramps to fight, these competitors seem from their interviews like educated and rational folk who are able to make their own judgements on risk and participation. Not seeing where the exploitation is.
This always reminds me of rampage a few years ago.
The final runs and the leader at the top was constantly asking if he'd won stressing to do another high risk run.
When he found he had won he was so relieved to just roll down (which in itself is super human to us mortal bimblers).
Really you don’t ? You don’t think 40′ drops that are now flipped, or 40′ gaps that are now front flipped as progressing the sport of MTBing ?
in a word no I don’t. How does it relate to anything 99.99% of riders ever see or do? I’m genuinely interested in how it pushes the sport forward. So some one flips a40’ drop, so what? How does that benefit the sport? Rampage is an entertainment show. Highly skilled and brave riders go down the course to entertain the viewer and make the sponsors money.
My feelings towards Red Bull were definitely diminished after the Paul Basagoitia incident.
What's bonkers is that redbull promote the bass documentary on their website!
https://www.redbull.com/gb-en/paul-basagoitia-any-one-of-us-facts
I think the US attitude to healthcare is so different from ours that they maybe just don't see the problem
If you haven't watched it I can't recommend it enough
Its on iplayer I posted the link earlier
So some one flips a40’ drop, so what? How does that benefit the sport?
That's like saying a 100m runner does a 9.60, how does that benefit the sport. It gives the next level for everyone to make it to. It gives the progression needed to be the best
Look at how fast the DH racers are now, this pushes the next generation to get faster and better. It's the same with slopestyle/freeride, think about how much Wibmer or Danny have increased the sport by their riding. Rampage is the same.
I was a bit disappointed with the course. Some fantastic riding but it was all on manicured, man made jumps and landings. I don't mind watching that but to me that isn't rampage. Plenty of other events for that sort of thing. Of course they need to do some landscaping to make it possible and entertaining but personally I prefer the notion of riders trying to make something from the terrain.
Edit: just found this article from a few years ago: https://www.redbull.com/sg-en/rampage-evolution-rider-perspective
Seems a lot riders would've liked to see it go more natural but they have gone completely the other way
Regarding the naturalness or otherwise:
All those different lines from the top steep part. I can see that they are different, and I know I wouldn’t do any of them in a million years, but I have no idea what is harder.
What I can see is whether someone rode it smoothly, or a bit out of control.
Regarding ‘progressing the sport’ are people talking about mountain biking in general, or big mountain free ride?
Semenuk was a worthy winner, although TVS may have been on to beat him.
What’s even more nuts is Semenuk wasn’t even using a downhill bike!
The severity of injuries when it goes wrong does make you wonder though, especially given the complete lack of financial support from Red Bull demonstrated by the amazing Bazagoita doc.
Downhill frame but enduro fork to allow bar spins
idk, that chute Kyle S and Cam Z both rode didn't seem too manicured. Fairly sure I heard Kyle say he had no control at that point.
And if it were all about the flips then Kelly McGarry ought to have won in 2013.
“ Some fantastic riding but it was all on manicured, man made jumps and landings.”
It wasn’t though, was it?
It’s a gnarly piece of land, with perilous exposure and massive cliffs and ridges that they ride down. The jumps and the landings are relatively manicured because they’re so gigantic that otherwise it would be impossible to ride them with any degree of repeatability let alone safety. But in between the bigger features there’s plenty of natural big mountain riding. Not one competitor went top to bottom like they were on a slopestyle course, they all have to contend with the lunacy of Rampage.
Watch clips of older Rampage events and you’ll see that the riding was far less gnarly. And certainly nothing back in the day comes close to that insane chute which was first ridden a few years ago.
think about how much Wibmer or Danny have increased the sport by their riding
have they really? sure they are super talented and thousands watch their videos but Joe have they increased the sport? I just don’t see the link
If rampage was about freeride they should copy the format the freeride ski and snowboard tour use. No practice, no building just plan your line from being stood at the bottom. Best ride from the 2 runs wins. That’s the real skill of free ride
“ If rampage was about freeride they should copy the format the freeride ski and snowboard tour use.”
Yes and they should put big piles of snow to land on when you crash…
But if freeride snow sports were about real freeride then they wouldn’t do it on snow because it’s too smooth and soft…
have they really? sure they are super talented and thousands watch their videos but Joe have they increased the sport?
What then is increasing the sport? I watched it. I’m not even in to tricks, and most of the BPW blacks are beyond me. But it’s made me more stoked to go ride my bike then if it didn’t exist.
If it’s only progressing the sport if it has direct links to talentless amateurs then mtb would basically still be fireroad xc racing.