Is it just me or has the game been upped in the mens this year
Great results for the women.
Goodness yes. Overall level seems to have gone up a notch if that was possible
Yep, I’m watching! It’s amazing - the skill level and cahoonas are unbelievable! I love it! Godziek just put down an amazing run!
RBtv not really working for me. YT stream is fine.
Come on Brendog!
Is it just me or is redbull tv really glitchy and annoying
YouTube ftw. Excited to see brendog having watched the videos all week
Yes! Brendan, absolutely smashed it, so clean!
Fantastic!
Stunning run.
Brendog….robbed!!!
Thats the type of runs I love - yeah the tricks are impressive but that’s not freeride for me.
Brilliant run...robbed again
Otherwise, yeah agree Tracey - the quality is insane.
Not sure what he has to do to convince the judges.
The crowds didn't like their score.
yep, watching Brendan getting robbed again.
Interesting hearing the judging process, that they compare runs to pitch the score. So the number given is superfluous, just say, “we think he’s third”. Scores literally mean nothing in isolation, it’s just a mechanism for ranking.
Brendog's run as awesome as ever. Just not what the judges want (or red Bull will condone). Loving the crowd reaction to his score though!
The YouTube comments section is still rolling with "brendog robbed" over and over again
My (conspiracy) theory is, the organizers believe that if he wins he won’t return to defend his title. As he’s the most popular rider (in my house, at least) they need keep him coming back year after year so that people keep watching. Without Brendan, Rampage would be nothing!
Then the judges shaft him
Yeah - just shows once again Rampage can't score anything for technical features. It's all about the tricks and whips. Typical American BS is all about the V8 PoWeR rather than the cornering finesse.
I’m getting more concerned that they are purposely scoring people down to force them to take even bigger risks on 2nd runs for the click and likes of Red Bull
Doesnt appear the scoring is at all linked to agreed set of rules etc
Ooh that was a nasty fall…
Ooh that was a nasty fall…
yep lost consciousness at minimum
As far as the digging of lines, how does it compare to a golf course, grouse moor or ski resort. It’s pretty insignificant I’d have thought. Nature will reclaim it within a year.
I think I was Brendan I’d already be in the truck on the way to Vegas. If what he put down is only good enough for 9th in the judges eyes, there’s not much point him risking his life for 8th.
Brendogs run was special, but unfortunately not rampagey enough for the judges again. Agreed he should just head off to Vegas with his crew now as his line isn't for tricks. It's been great watch him build and tick it off this week.
Hope Zink manages to walk this off, worrying that they cut the coverage.
Yeah that was one run and done. Can’t improve on that.
Superb effort but time to get out of there
Rider of the day voting page if anyone missed it:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/projects/voterampage
Brendog currently in the lead
Brendon's sure to win the peoples vote.
Didn't like the look of that fall one bit. He was totally unconscious at the end of it, looked scary. Hope I'm wrong and it's not serious
Anyone know the time for brendog's run so I can watch it pls?
Voted!
Cam Zinc crash was awful
Hope he’s ok
I voted for Brendog too - 47% of the vote!
Not gonna get 2nd runs are we…
dont forgot to do second votes...
Good news via PB
We have heard that Cam Zink is moving and will be getting a helicopter out of the venue due to a suspected leg injury
Watching that TVS front flip again , flippin' 'eck !
Brendon making the right decision on second runs and understandably not happy.
Geoff gulivich was very pro Brendan in the aftermath of the scoring, saying his problem is that he 'makes it look too easy'
As before the standard on first runs has been so high, with lots of full runs. I'd love to see tom Isted do a full run. He's been amazing too and stomped his rookie year. Just guinea pigging that big step down gap was an amazing achievement . And very com posed to push back up for it. He's ice cold
Hard to see how a lot of first runs can be improved. Although obviously semenuk, Brando and Isted. And Boggs too
Cant see godziek being beaten unless semenuk does his bottomless trick bag thing. Godziek's pause between each flip on his double flip was <chefs kiss>
I'm gonna have to stay up and watch this now, just to see semenuk. I think they draw lots for second run order though? Maybe I'll just go to bed. I enjoy the build videos and then seeing BF do a complete run, don't care how the north Americans are ordered tbh
As someone said before, having strait above BF is stupid
Brendog! Robbed, again.......
Is it freeride or slope style?
Seems to be judged more like a slope style contest in recent years.
I don't agree that it's like slopestyle. The scale and conditions and bikes are very different.
It's a shame Brendog is a Monster rider though...
If you look at Semenuks run compared to Brendan's it's pretty clear that the judges see it as a kind of slope style competition. In fact Brendan came nearly last out of the riders that managed to complete the run they wanted to .
They were both amazing runs but completely opposite in their style and it's a shame the judging isn't open enough to reflect that .
If only Brendog had accepted that can of red bull as he sat in finish arena, cracked it open with a big gulp for the cameras and a winning smile - he'd get a score of 100.
And lost his Monster sponsorship...
I enjoyed that. But is it just me or was there a mass loss of confidence in all the riders for second runs? It was breezy but it didn’t look too bad (IANACanyonGapper).
I completely understand that Brendog stomped his first run and therefore didn’t feel he could improve but I’d have thought E.g. Godziek might have challenged Brandon, and the third podium spot was definitely up for grabs.
I completely respect all of the riders for making that decision - I’m more interested that the danger levels seem to be reducing the spectacle of the event.
Sucks for Szymon, thought he had that in the bag with bigger features than Semenuk and that mad double backflip at the end! We all knew Brendog would be scored low but this seems excessively low to me. Shame Isted didn't get his second run as well.
If you read Hannah's piece, I got the impression there was quite a backlash from the riders over how the live event was run. It's so exposed and so dangerous in even light winds that riders not risking lives over a comp they couldn't win was a good call imo. However the riders have had 8 days for practice and building features - building a takeoff on finals day is taking the p.
I do think the format needs to completely change next year, after the debacle over Brendon's line. The line build also needs to be part of the overall judging (not just have an award for dig team), how unique the line is is and how many other riders use each of the features. It seems exposure, technical skill and originality are no longer part of Redbull vision for rampage.
According Cam Zink himself on an insta reply he has broken ribs and punctured lung, feels lucky to have not broken his back.
I find it hard to objectively judge how semenuk has evolved his run year on year, it seems like the same level of spinny jumps every time, whereas fairclough adds difficulty and features to his line every single time. It's hard to understand how he was scored so much lower than the previous year unless the judges claim the winners progressed significantly more than him compared to previous years. That's probably my own bias though, since I'm much more likely to watch fairclough and remember what he did the year before.
Just caught the second runs this morning.
Bloody hell I'd hate to see Semenuk's face if he lost, he seemed miserable about winning.
Probably a bit embarrassed as he expected Godziek to win still. I can see how BS's tricks were insanely technical, but it's like he honed in on one strand of the competition (the opposite to Brendog) and was unduly rewarded for that.
Feels like a jumping (and flipping and spinning) the shark moment for Rampage. There's going to be big reputational damage over Brendog in particular. I don't think they can come back without significant changes to the scoring and possibly a public apology.
Delinks riding style produces the images the sponsors want to use for promotion which is what the whole event is about. It stopped being a free ride event years ago
Uh oh, the freeride police are in. I'd love to know what your qualifications are to be always telling people what freeride is, is not, or is supposed to be.
Also instant dismissal of flippy, spinny tricks from people who can't even bunnyhop is a bit rich.
I don't think anyone is dismissing spinny flippy tricks but are questioning what the event now is. If the event is now about trick complexity, riders like Brendog and Gee cannot win.
Rampage has lost its identity. The organisers need to take a step back and re-evaluate for the events reputation and riders sakes.
Maybe if there is more transparency upon invite and before line digging as to what will and won't score, the riders can make more informed decisions.
I'm sympathetic but the writing has been on the wall for this for years. Do big tricks, get big score. It's like turning up to the dressage event on a racehorse. It's all very impressive - but you wont win the game. It's fine to go along anyway, but you can't really be sad about not winning.
Uh oh, the freeride police are in. I’d love to know what your qualifications are to be always telling people what freeride is, is not, or is supposed to be.
isnt this every thread, just swap 'freeride' for whatever the current thing is 😀
There is no doubt that Rampage is a spectacle, but the nonsense of judging really diminishes it for me. Comparing Semenuk and Fairclough's runs is a total 'apples and pears' situation. Hardline is now the more enjoyable viewing experience IMO. Even then, I still get much more edge-of-the-seat entertainment out of the WC DH racing over the course of the season ....when it is possible to watch it (but that is another thread).... 😉
I enjoyed that. But is it just me or was there a mass loss of confidence in all the riders for second runs? It was breezy but it didn’t look too bad (IANACanyonGapper).
When a guy that has done a 110ft back flip says "it ain't safe, I'm not going to risk it" I think it's fair to say shit's ****ed!
And to say that Rampage has suddenly changed is odd. Semenuk has won this thing how many times?
I thought Fairclough deserved a better position. His line was novel. But he also puts a tremendous amount of effort into building the hype. I wonder if that detracts from the novelty or even creates a bigger gap between public expectations and judges perceptions of what is worthy of high scores?
This is what the winning bike looked like in 2001. It's really no mystery that the whole event and the riding has evolved in the quarter century since then.
Early freeride was light on tricks because no one was doing tricks on old DH bikes. I bet you a million quid Wade Simmons would have done a flipwhip if he could.
There didn’t appear to be any clear agreed scoring criteria that all riders knew they would be scored against.
Many of the riders didn’t understand the scores as they were awarded.
It appeared the judges had already decided a ranking of placement and then just jigged around a little
It felt really unprofessional
I'd quite like them to ditch the scoring altogether, share the money out among all the riders, and just run it as a spectacle. I imagine most of the riders and sponsors would still want to be involved.
Maybe keep public votes for best line/run/rider and best trick?
On one hand it almost sends a waste (or abuse if wanting to be provocative) of the natural landscape just to smooth it all out like that. On the other, where else can you do that to that degree?
I missed a lot of it, and yes flips and stuff are all very impressive (woohoo I'm allowed to be critical because I can bunny hop) and way beyond my skill level, but when I went back and watched Brendogs run, it just had that gnarly edge that tricks on motorways just don't have.
And lost his Monster sponsorship…
which is why he will never win the event. The judges aren’t going to let a rider sponsored by the opposition especially they want the gig next year
it just had that gnarly edge that tricks on motorways just don’t have.
For me the issue is that the big manicured lines could be anywhere, they are imposed onto the landscape, but those lines could be built into any environment. Brendan builds lines that can only exist in that environment, they use the nature and contours of the environment far more, those sketchy chutes should be why they go to those destinations to then not reward the lines that use them rather than the ones that flatten them feels jarring.
The wind was pretty crazy all afternoon. As well as the windsocks, the sunshades in the crowd are a good indicator of what’s going on - no one wants to take a sun shade down, but if the wind is blowing a bunch you eventually give up wrestling and have to take it down! It’s not just the strength of the wind - it’s also the direction and consistency. And it can be still at the bottom and whipping at the top. At one point during second runs there were little swirling dust devils all over the place. Tom said the windsock by him was dancing in every direction, and then whenever it did settle to be consistent it was blowing straight towards the hillside. If you set off when it seems to be a gap in the wind but isn’t, you can get blown off a feature by a random gust.
To defend the more slope style runs, there was very little room for error in them. When you're landing a 40ft back flip drop onto a rideable piece of track a meter wide with scrub, rock, and dust to either side, the consequences for failure are pretty big.
Fairclough's line was the one I liked best but Semenuk's second run was spectacular.
“ which is why he will never win the event. The judges aren’t going to let a rider sponsored by the opposition especially they want the gig next year”
Last years winner was a Monster athlete.
Brendon’s score was a joke though, even if he didn’t win, should have been top 3
should have been top 3
I don't think so. I've a huge amount of respect for every single one of the riders, compared to the rest of us, all of them have bottomless talent, but in comparison to his peers at the event, he's not doing the things he needs to do to score highly. It looks amazing fo'sure, but I don't doubt that any of the top three riders could've styled out Brendan's line better than he could've.
but I don’t doubt that any of the top three riders could’ve styled out Brendan’s line better than he could’ve.
Not sure on that, the big wide smooth landings means that there is margin for error, and quite a few of the other riders were making full use of that, they went long (a couple came up short on more inconsequential bits) or were over-rotating. Bren had to be super precise and he greased his line. The canyon backflip had to be accurate to get stopped and turned in for the next section, he put it down absolutely on the lip, same with the step up and the step up onto Dwayne Johnson.
Gutted for Bren and Godziak. I think Godzy should have won it for sure.
Bren was obviously never going to attract high scores but the creativity and exposure of his run and the resultant score felt like a bit of a kick in the teeth.
Definitely the people's choice. 🙂
which is why he will never win the event. The judges aren’t going to let a rider sponsored by the opposition especially they want the gig next year
This is demonstrably untrue but you keep repeating it anyway. Every time you post it on Pinkbike people tell you it's untrue. You're not just repetitive you're wrong.
I'm starting to think you're a bot.
I still thought it was an amazing spectacle. Whatever you think about the contrast between exposure and tricks I do think Senenuk’s ride was spectacular. I’d have had the same top two but B Fairclough third for his novel and more natural line.
Not that it’s an accurate reflection on scores but my 14 year old is moderately into mountain biking. He flitted in an out of the coverage but was rooted to the sofa whenever Brandon Senenuk was riding.
There is no doubt nobody else in the world could have ridden that. Plus basically on a single crown bike that’s pretty similar to what many of us ride on a day to day basis.
On a completely different note, I just discovered this and thought it was so wonderful it deserved sharing.
By the old Rampage site there’s a bunch of camping spots, particularly down by the creek, where loads of people go to camp, ride an D.C. party. It’s completely undeveloped, so no toilets. Down there today, I came across a pair of portable toilets on a trailer:
something of a literal oasis in the desert for the dusty camper:
even more amazing, they’d been put there by none other than women’s Rampage competitor, Chelsea Kimball.
Love it when you discover rad people are good people too!