[Closed] PSA Garmin 800's at a good price £166

cheers, a mate has just pointed this out at work as well and I'm now a proud owner of one. 😀

ta very muchly

be aware no maps with this garmin. base maps are useless, open street maps can be used but not as detailed as a good old OS map. (and before someone jumps in about vectors and rastors... I just like os even though they are rubbish up close

I think there are free maps somewhere for trails.

I assume that the memory map overlays (which are OS) can't be used with these.
If I knew someone with the OS base maps, could I use those maps too....??

DrP

you can get full uk coverage OS discoverer from ioffer for about £20

memory maps will not work with garmin they are a different format and cannot be converted (already tried that I have both now!). you cannot use someone else s maps either as once connected to the internet the device is checked for duplication. There are 2 sets of maps included with the basecamp software "garmin base maps" that are uselss and "open street maps" which are okay but as said not as detailed as OS.

you can get full uk coverage OS discoverer from ioffer for about £20

that what I got for my Touring and what I intend to use on my 800.

you can get full uk coverage OS discoverer from ioffer for about £20

are they legal? to buy from legitimate source would cost far more.

you can get full uk coverage OS discoverer from ioffer for about £20

Where? Can't see em!

Edit: found them, mental. Will they work on an Edge 1000 do we know? Can't see why not!

Edit edit: they're [url= https://www.ioffer.com/i/garmin-gb-discoverer-1-50k-full-coverage-127349741 ]here[/url] if anyone fancies a punt, I've ordered some.

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are they legal? to buy from legitimate source would cost far more.

I'm dubious, I must say!

Arrrhhh...
I've an edge 605 which I love, but I also love shiny new things..

I've got basic Open source mapping on the 605, ut not sure the 800 will offer more of what I need:
route recording
route planning using memory map

DrP

are they legal? to buy from legitimate source would cost far more.
I'm dubious, I must say!

well mine came with a garmin sticker and a hologram seal which is good enough for me 😆

They probably arent legal, but they work, and after having bought most of the north of england on paper maps, memory map and viewranger formats over the years i dont see why i should really pay Ordnance Survey again for the same maps just because a company is using a slightly different digital format to others. But everyone can make their own moral judgement on this 🙂

njee how are you finding the edge1000? is it an improvement over the previous models?

I guess the mapping above in the link would look a tad better on the larger screen of the 1000

still to dear for me mind, but maybe in a while when they've dropped I maybe tempted, especially if you can get the OS mapping for £20!

Thanks for the PSA. Anyone want to buy my 605? 🙂 (seriously though, will be selling it now - great way to get a relatively cheap GPS with mapping)

Does anyone know if my existing talkytoaster map downloads for the 605 will work with the 800?

njee how are you finding the edge1000? is it an improvement over the previous models?

I had a 705 before, so it's a big step up from that. The screen resolution is excellent (I believe a chunk better than the 800/810), the large screen is nice, and the backlight having a light sensor means it's nice and visible all the time.

It's a bit buggy - I got the Bluetooth LE to connect when I first got it (to get the phone alerts and stuff), but it's never worked since, won't connect, says it's timed out etc. You can't turn off turn by turn navigation, even if you save a course it gives you full turn by turn navigation, a friend said it was massively frustrating on the SDW - it kept trying to divert him to the roads (I suspect that's in the settings). The temperature on mine seems a little dubious, often seems to under read. It's also ****ing huge!

The Garmin Segments thing is quite neat, and I've recently found a tool that lets you send Strava segments to it - they pop up on screen when you enter a segment and it gives you real time progress against a chosen time (your PB, the KoM etc) - which feels how Strava should be!

I'm very happy with it though, nicer than the 705 for sure, not entirely sure I'd upgrade from an 800 though.

cool cheers, its the screen idea I like more so, especially the clarity of the os mapping on the much larger screen (compared to 800/810)

it does look huge though as you say, ive not seen one in the flesh yet either, it does have a look of a smartphone moreso than a cycle computer

does it use the same mounting system as edge 510/810/705 etc? as in you didn't have to buy a new outfront mount? (as I had mine specially made from racewaredirect due to 35mm bar diameter)

Sod the 1000, just follow this thread 🙂

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/home-made-gps-with-mapping-and-tracking

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^^ does it show power/cadence

I originally bought my Ioffer 1:50K maps for my etrex 20 they worked on that and they work on the My Garmin touring.

so i would hope it works on ost garmin devices

it does look huge though as you say, ive not seen one in the flesh yet either, it does have a look of a smartphone moreso than a cycle computer

does it use the same mounting system as edge 510/810/705 etc? as in you didn't have to buy a new outfront mount? (as I had mine specially made from racewaredirect due to 35mm bar diameter)

It is big, it's within 10mm the length of my iPhone 5, same width, and deeper.

It does use the same mounts, but you'll potentially need a longer out front mount - depends how close to your bar clamp it sits, you'd have to try it. Stem mounts and quarter turn mounts are the same. Personally I'm using a quarter turn mount on the stem on my road bikes and a SRAM Quickview above my stem on the MTB.

I know you're a Surrey Hills native - I'll be at Beyond Mountain Bikes in Cranleigh next Saturday if you want to come and poke one and play with it - try it on your bars too if you want.

njee - not a surrey hills native - im from the peak district area, although we have chatted in the past via email etc, but thankyou for the offer all the same

my garmin outfront mount actually sits over the stem (run backwards so to speak) as its on a 50mm stem, so I cant really see it being an issue, it would just be weird to look down and think its like having my IPhone on the mount, but im sure id get used to it

im only running a 510 at the mo, but do miss the mapping if im honest, especially doing stuff solo on new bits, following the breadcrumb line with no mapping is easy enough if you know the area roughly (and it still gives distance to next turn etc which works), but you can beat having OS maps, especially on a larger screen, cheers for the info though, your about the only person I know of who has one

njee - not a surrey hills native - im from the peak district area, although we have chatted in the past via email etc, but thankyou for the offer all the same

Apologies, I was thinking you were down here! The OSM maps are pretty good for showing paths, was using it last night to get around, and they are good, be interesting to see how the OS maps are in comparison!

It varies. I've just moved about 10 miles from Bristol and I'm finding that OSM around here is much patchier than around Bristol - obviously I can (and will) do something about that by updating OSM myself but right now, while I'm exploring and learning the area, I think I'm going to get 'proper' OS maps.

FWIW, I did find though on my mobile phone GPS (via the thread I linked above) that OS maps (OruxMaps app) were actually too detailed sometimes which cluttered the screen up making it actually harder to navigate but maybe the Garmin version is not quite identical?

how do those maps compare to the free ones available?

I've got an etrex 20 I've not fired up yet as I still need to get a bike mount. Tempted by the 800 but not sure I will gain much (just want something small and reliable that I can check for bridleways etc)

how do those maps compare to the free ones available?

The OS ones? I'm not totally sure, I'm hoping they'll be like this:

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My OSM ones (as included with Edge 1000, and available FOC) look basically like this:
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Google images suggests that they do look like 'proper' OS

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I don't like navigating with the OS map. As above it's too cluttered to glance at while riding. I use it as a backup, it's loaded but usually set it to display OSM maps instead.At that price it's a bargain

That was my concern, I used to turn the detail down on City Navigator maps as actually most of it was noise. I think the additional 'context' of an OS map is useful - OSM is basically just roads, paths, and any POIs folk have added (very few near me).

they look like proper OS Maps as they are the proper OS maps

Not sure about on that device but when used they are full OS mapping

Cheers for that. 800 and the mapping ordered and thats me not getting anything else for birthday or Christmas.

nemesis - that screenshot is a proper Ordnance survey map. Open street map is the one above with more green. (as mentioned already) I like OS maps for the detail but can understand they can be cluttered at times, and the accuracy is off due to the way they have been created or copied into digital format (i.e. photocopied!) thus you can be on top of a bridleway according to the map and when you look round????? it's buried in a field 50 yards away. the OSM maps are said to be more accurate as they are created digitally from the start, but as they are open source and rely on people to fill them in, well... reminds of the blackadder sketch [img] [/img]

I know which is which 🙂

I was responding to this by njee

The OS ones? I'm not totally sure, I'm hoping they'll be like this:

It looks like these don't sync over ANT+ to your PC, but need to be plugged in via USB?

Is that right?

I like OS maps for the detail but can understand they can be cluttered at times, and the accuracy is off due to the way they have been created or copied into digital format

Shame the digital OS maps are less accurate, I thought the whole point was that they were better? Surely the raison d'etre of a map is to tell you where you are (and something the OSM maps are very good at), if the OS maps are out by 50ft or so then it strikes me they're largely useless, other than looking pretty?

Oh well, only £20 lost if they don't work for me!

Yes - that's the real benefit of the 810 over the 800 - wireless data transfer.

Which (IMO) is not worth the extra £100 the 810 will cost you!

As I mentioned previously, I use an android app which can download OS maps directly from the official source. I find these spot on for accuracy (in terms of position, OS does still miss some paths) so I'd be surprised if the Garmin version is way out.

£60 more for the 810 BTW

http://www.handtec.co.uk/garmin-edge-810-010-01063-01.html

It looks like these don't sync over ANT+ to your PC, but need to be plugged in via USB?

Is that right?

Shame the digital OS maps are less accurate

Cheers folks.

I bought the 1:25000 national parks maps for my Edge 800, makes navigating a dream. If you shop around you will - eventually - find legit ones cheap. I got mine from a Blacks that was closing down for £15 each.

Edit: Though as a UK tax-payer I have no personal objection to you sourcing said maps from the internet.

Though as a UK tax-payer I have no personal objection to you sourcing said maps from the internet.

Errm, thanks, I'm glad my buying habits meet your satisfaction 😕

view a comparison of OSM and OS here

I think your "blacks" bargain was just that... and not repeated.
when it comes to sourcing the OS maps they change how they are sold on a regular basis... ergo you said "national parks" which is not the same as FULL UK maps. and with that I use memory map 1:25K.... such a shame I cannot use them on the garmin

Yes - that's the real benefit of the 810 over the 800 - wireless data transfer.

hardly a hardship plugging it in, garmin express auto does it, sendings data to Training Peaks/Strava automatically, charges at the same time, easy

Drat, just bought an Edge touring 🙁

Given that the ioffer version is unlikely to be legit, I'm slightly surprised that people aren't just torrent downloading the maps since that's almost certainly what they've done... just a thought.

So, how much are the legit ones?

Just ordered one whilst price is low...
Can always return if the mapping situatin doesn't live up...

DrP

So, how much are the legit ones?

£200 from Garmin.

correct, that's £200 for full 1:50K. if you want full 1:25K they are NOT available (?) you have to purchase park by park (or area) at £60 a pop (!)!)!)!)!). of the non legit version I don't know how they have cracked codes, the device is checked when plugged into the pc?
https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/maps/on-the-trail-maps/c452-c456-p0.html

The ioffer ones are just 1:50k, I don't think anyone's doing 1:25k for the whole country, because I don't think they exist...?

of the non legit version I don't how they have cracked codes, the device is checked when plugged into the pc?

I imagine that's a Garmin safeguard, not an OS one - similar to being able to buy non-legit Apple Lightning cables.

Maps turned up today, which in itself is very impressive. They look good, resolution's not as sharp as the OSM maps on the 1000, but it overlays some of the data from the OSMs - so I've got some road names on the OS map. Seems good, I'll see what they're like in use. Well chuffed for £20.

Have you compared them to 'official'ones? Day, on another Garmin?
Or do you think they are identical-as in what you would get if you bought from is?

DrP

up to £199 on amazon now 🙁

Have you compared them to 'official'ones? Day, on another Garmin?
Or do you think they are identical-as in what you would get if you bought from is?
DrP

I've not, I doubt they'd be any different if I'm honest, I suspect it's the superior resolution on the Edge 1000. It's perfectly usable, just not as crisp as the OSM maps, but obviously far more detail.

I can't imagine that the ioffer maps are anything other than the same as the official one given the likely source. Interesting that you find the res a bit low, njee.

What's the likely source? It does seem suspiciously cheap.

bump on this thread. £166 was a good price.

Just ordered those maps...

ORDERED
September 16, 2014
[b]9:04 am[/b]
PAID
September 16, 2014
[b]9:15 am[/b]
SHIPPED
September 16, 2014
[b]9:07 am[/b]

You don't get service like that elsewhere 😉

DrP

Likely source is that it's either copied or just downloaded from a torrent - either way it'll no doubt be the same.

They are clearly well organised with their despatch process though 🙂

well mine arrived today and I have just switched it on and put the SD card out of my Touring in which is loaded with the Ioffer 1:50K maps

This is what it looks like

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Mines the same, with random road names overlaid, but the difference in resolution is more marked.

but the difference in resolution is more marked

you mean yours is less clear?

Perhaps, hang on...

Edit: actually no, having zoomed out a bit the resolution is better. When zoomed in its really obvious the OS maps get very pixelated, whilst the road names don't. Still not had a chance to use it. Took a photo, but it won't upload to Flickr.

I'd be interested to know what happens if you connect this to a pc now? will basecamp load these maps and let you create a route? (verification required)

Baa guess who lost his mio computer this morning ...
(gutted last nights strava results not uploaded)

(seeing if the big forest will do the 810 for £225)

For those that missed this, the Edge 500 is also now at a great price on Amazon. £128 which is the lowest I have seen it.
Wiggle will also pricematch, if you'd prefer to use them.

dude - sell you my 605... 🙂

The iOffer maps can be switched between devices with no hassles.

Muddy, I have open source maps on my Etrex20, Basecamp recognizes and reads this map when device is connected, it gives me a choice of which map to view in Basecamp.

Ignore 😳

I'm unsold on the OS maps in normal use. The resolution isn't good enough when you're zoomed in, and it's harder to judge turnings etc when you're zoomed out.

I can see they'd be good when you're navigating, but actually as the OSM maps seem to be very comprehensive in terms of bridleways I'm just not sure.

As stated above the OS maps aren't as accurate either - I'm perpetually riding 20 feet to the side of the roads, whilst the OSM maps are absolutely spot on.

Will keep them, and I'll try navigating sometime, but not sure. Also because they're just 'copied' from paper maps all the labels are based on north being up, so unless you're heading north all the road/place names are at funny angles/upside down. OSM is legible all the time.

For £20 I'm happy enough, personally I'd be pissed off if I'd paid £200 though.

And remember with the OSM maps you can fix stuff if it's wrong. It's really easy to upload a track and edit anything that's wrong. It's also quite possible to 'roll your own' map with whatever level of detail suits but that's another level of difficulty altogether unfortunately.