[Closed] PSA: Carbon 456's - £299 over at on-one

Bloody hell, that's cheap. I can't help wondering how it is possible to get an undecaled carbon frame so cheaply. It's a mystery. 😕

Just from some chineese catalogue innit?

Sheesh! 🙄

I'm not sure about that PP, surely there's more to it than just picking one out of a catalogue...

Nahh. Can't be at that price. Even a REAL eejit can understand that!

Double post

I heard this batch didn't have any downtubes as it was the only way they could keep the price down and it also gives a good 'infinitely variable' geometry effect.

PMSL! 😀

Tempted to buy a 2nd one!

Me too..!

All this discounting does make me wonder why anyone would be daft enough to buy anything at full price? Strikes me that they are turning into the mtb equivalent of a furniture store without the need for bank holidays!

Mine wasn't far off that price mind: £399 including headset and seatpost and stickers....

[i]they are turning into the mtb equivalent of a furniture store without the need for bank holidays! [/i]

they always were, though.

Inbred's have always had fairly elastic pricing.

Normally there seems to be a pattern based on delivery of next roudn of stock;

1) pre-order price - get a few sales before container arrives
2) full price for a few weeks after stuff arrives.
3) start adding bundles to get rid of stock that hasn't sold/build kit they've got excess of.
4) drop price a month or two before next container to get rid of over stocks/odd sizes
5 Go to 1

it's just as the ranegs have expanded amd the containers arrive in a staggered way it's not so obvious.

Well, they are definitely not open mold! A lot of work's gone into this frame and I think I can stick my head out as saying it's the frame we are most proud of to date. But really, in reality- this is the REAL price- we are making less margin than ideally at £299 but still- the hiked up prices you see elsewhere really are taking the mick. That's me being honest 🙂 Get one, they're ace, even better with the slackset...

Unashamedly tempted .... 🙄 😆

Which headset would I need for "std" 1 1/8'' forks ?

Personally, I'd get one of the Hope 'mix and match' ones to suit - the external 1.5" to 1 1/8" one with a standard crown race is ok on mine. I foudn the on-one smoothie needed too much attention both in terms of regreasing and keeping it tight.

gratiutous pick showing hope headset if you zoom in a bit;

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Hmmm.

Was thinking a light SS.

This isn't helping .... I need a drink

is about 23and a bit lbs with that build - ok for a 140mm travel bike.

had lighter wheels and a PAce XC41 fork before and it was 22.

I did a quick write up on mine over here;

[url= http://brightonmtb.org/2011/06/16/on-one-456-carbon/#more-3359 ]http://brightonmtb.org/2011/06/16/on-one-456-carbon/#more-3359[/url]

if it's any help...

Hmmm. I do have some spare wheels, forks and brakes.

I was going to build up a Summer Slacker I have lying around, but not sure what to do now. 😕

has anyone got an opinion on how it'd look with Salsa Cromoto rigids or carbon rigids, I'm thinking....crap!?

B.A.Nana - Member

I was going to build up a Summer Slacker I have lying around, but not sure what to do now.

has anyone got an opinion on how it'd look with Salsa Cromoto rigids or carbon rigids, I'm thinking....crap!?

That's what I was thinking too 🙂 Cromoto forks that is ....

I just did a sick 🙁

wwaswas- not sure about that extra brace from the downtube to the stanchions!

24lbs here

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And yes, that fence is shocking.

The fence looks ok, it's the frame I'd worry about.

Oh I'm soooooo happy I waited out until the missus had returned to the UK to do some work. Just bought a 20" at this new silly price. I hope it's as good as everone posts. LOL

Hey Andy146, is that a 20"? I hope so as it looks skill.

I fell for the pre-order thing 🙁 Never again!

And I still didnt have it built when they brought out the deals with all the extras for the same price.

Oh and then I had the tapered fork problem 🙁

Jon @ on one - can you please do a really good deal on the swap outs? I always thought the frames should come with both - or at least have the option to buy the second set at a hugely discounted price when ordering the frame as all your older frames that could do both did so with no extra parts needing to be bought. And the new 29er inbred comes with both.

Not being funny Jon...well OK I am...why not edesign it with tIe best head angle to start with?

Or are both head angles actually OK...but you had a load of frames to shift?

Been £299 unstickered for a while now aint they?

If you're answering Qs on here jon
any sign of a c456 compatible chaintug? (instead of my filed down ebay one)
are you going to do a mixer 1.1/8" crown race separately? (so I don't have to change the race if I wanna run rigid in winter)

The head angle thing is me... After a few years of slackness, brought on initially by the summer season, then the ragleys, I wanted something slacker. The c456 is the same geometry as the steel and ti 456. Which Guy K admired so much. Which is why Stevo kept that geometry when he was making the carbon drawings with René.

I don't think there's a wrong or right. Different is good. Split that difference? Well. Maybe eh?

I'm confused, are people trolling or are there two head angle options?

cynic-al - Member

Not being funny Jon...well OK I am...why not edesign it with tIe best head angle to start with?

Because there's no such thing as "best". I bought mine with the intention of fitting a works components headset but it came with a free smoothie so I thought I might as well build it up as standard... And it turned out to be mint. Still want to try it slacker mind.

My Hemlock's fab with its WC headset slackening it off by 2 degrees, I wouldn't go back... but it's not better than standard, just different- more to my taste but probably not for everyone.

Kind of my point North...

It does make you wonder...if they can do what is a fairly low volume production run and still be viable at £300.Why does a Niner Air carbon/Santa Cruz High Ball etc cost SIX times as much?

Why does a Niner Air carbon/Santa Cruz High Ball etc cost SIX times as much?

cynic-al - Member

Kind of my point North...

At the risk of being a h8er... you're going to have to expand on that a bit tbh, no idea what point you're trying to make.

It seemed to me the angleset thing is the latest new thing and used to breathe life into this model and no doubt others. Neither is best...though each version is best when on one are trying sell.

Just business...

When will this slackset be available ?

Early 1980s 😀

Can someone explain the slackset thing? I am very confused, can't see anything about head angle options?

D0NK - I needed a spare crown race, so I emailed Jon and he posted me one out FOC the same day.

I suspect it's just a generic term for an angle changing headset.

This deal is very tempting indeed. I was so close to getting a Soul too, already have most of the bits. A pound lighter and a bit more grrr (and my dropper post will fit). Damn you on-one!

p.s. same deal on the whippet please 🙂

... was tempted. Untill seeing them built up that is ... I guessing they ride better than they look?

Sure looks a bland no frills sort.

That's just ridiculous!

Very tempted to sell my SS despite telling the guy I was selling it to I was no longer selling it, selling the steel 456, by the time I've sold the resultant spare finishing kit I'd be in profit!

Works Components make an angle changing headset (2deg) for £79.99.

We (on-one) are ordering some when I get my head out of my arse.

Rorschach - Member
It does make you wonder...if they can do what is a fairly low volume production run and still be viable at £300.Why does a Niner Air carbon/Santa Cruz High Ball etc cost SIX times as much?
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On one buy from the factory, and sell to you.
SC etc buy, sell to national distributor, sell to shop, sell to customer. And also sponsor Steve Peat.

By not sponsoring Steve Peat, and selling direct, they can drastically cut retail prices to customers.

By not sponsoring Steve Peat, and selling direct, they can drastically cut retail prices to customers.

Is that why the alumninium fames are cheeper now? It's all the re-cycled Stella cans?

ah I see, I'm used to a 71 head angle anyway so this all sounds ludicrously slack to me already...!

I was thinking of buying a jump frame like a Giant STP, as a fun urban hackaround to mess around on in the evenings and on the way back from work. This carbon 456 looks like it would be capable of performing this task still, but be more versatile, would anyone disagree with this, or is it not really going to be as strong as a jump/urban bike, not that I am very gnarly.

p.s. I heard Stella is reconstituted from concentrate in a big tank in Swansea docks or somewhere, which kind of puts me off.

If that was the deal on a Whippet frame I`d have one like a shot, (as a second bike) but I cant see me getting rid of my bluepig to replace with the C456...

Brant, how do they compare geometry wise ? and are you going to be doing an On-one with "Ragley" geometry in the future?

Is that why the alumninium fames are cheeper now? It's all the re-cycled Stella cans?

I spilled coffee laughing when i read this.

Pity I've just ordered a new bike, carbon 456 looks very nice, may see if I can scrape up the pennies

cynic-al - Member

It seemed to me the angleset thing is the latest new thing and used to breathe life into this model and no doubt others. Neither is best...though each version is best when on one are trying sell.

But this isn't 2 versions 😕 It's one frame, and a seperate product that can change it. On One are making an asset of it by linking up with Works and by testing the things but almost any bike can do it.

They are also refreshing tired (but still as good) product with something that makes it better, when it was previously the best.

cynic-al - Member

They are also refreshing tired (but still as good) product with something that makes it better, when it was previously the best.

Not really... This is nothing new after all, I bought my C456 specifically because the tapered headset gave it good flexibility for this sort of thing.

Does it matter that these are painted rather than Lacquered?

Anglesets existed before tapered steerers?

cynic-al - Member

Anglesets existed before tapered steerers?

No idea tbh. But they existed before Carbon 456s.

Suggested size for a 5'11 guy with a 32in inseam for trail centres?

I'm 5'10 and 31 inch and very comfortable on a medium... Would probably be OK on a small, definately not on a large. I reckon you'll be much the same.

So how do angle sets give the 456 more versatility than other frames?

cynic-al - Member

So how do angle sets give the 456 more versatility than other frames?

They don't. Obviously.

18" too small for 6'4" me for use as play bike around town and so on? 20" looks too big for that kinda thing...

But you implied that's why you chose it North?

hello bike people,

i have a carerra fury, i'm not sure anything could be better than my beautiful piece of halfords history, but i'm tempted by such carbon treats.

anybody know if any of the componants would be transferable?

i know seatpost wouldnt be cos its 31.8mm, guessing bottom bracket wouldnt? and as a result cranks.

i'm not good with this technical stuff

thank you xxkissesxx

BB ok I'd have thought, but front mech possibly not.

You'll need a new headset and to check fork steerer length too.

front mech doesnt exist anymore as i've upped my level of sexiness by going 1X9. headsets a good point! hmmmm think the frames will stick at this sort of price for the future? i'm meant to be investing in a transition covert when one appears for sale at the right price so this would dent my funds me thinks... but definite plan for the HT in ze future 🙂

cheers cynic-al, mucho appreciatedo

cynic-al - Member

But you implied that's why you chose it North?

No, I didn't... I chose it not because it's any more versatile, but because it was pretty much exactly what I was looking for. I wanted something of the slackness of my Mmmbop but without the weight of a Pig or the horribleness of an Mmmbop's rear end. Obviously the Ragley Ti got a look in but the C456 came very close for half the price. There weren't many other contenders in the end (did consider a Soul with the Works 1 degree HA reducer in but the standard steerer limits things more)