Superstar Pave 28 are on my shopping list. New school wide road rims and decent weight.
^^This.
Not sure that's true though I've read it before here. The warning stickers on my 6700 wheels (basically same wheel but 10spd hub) said not to hook levers around spokes, not that they can't be used on the rims.
The quote from the tech doc re tyre levers is:
• The tires should always be installed and removed by hand. Never use tools such as tire levers, as they can damage the seal between the tires and the rims and cause air to leak out from the tires.
Those Pave's do look good. Very very tempting.
which refers to installing tubeless tyres and breaking the airtight seal between rim and tyre, not to damaging the rim itself and preventing it from being used with tubeless tyres in the future. Least that's how I read it.
Hora if the 4000s' are on their way try them first on your existing rims, £400 on winter wheels is a bit silly.
Question- hefting the Ultegra wheelset (without tyres/tubes)- the rear feels heavy. Can the stated figures be out?
Compare to the C50 Dura ace rear wheel with tyre/tube- that feels lighter in the 'heft' test.
Looking at the figures though the Dura ace wheelset is 1670gm's the Ultegra 1650gm's.
Also -why would anyone pay 1k for wheels that are heavier than Ultegra? (I'm missing something here I bet- comfort and stiffness).
The C50's are 50mm deep, much more aero than the usual ~24mm rims.Also -why would anyone pay 1k for wheels that are heavier than Ultegra? (I'm missing something here I bet- comfort and stiffness).
I would have guessed the ultegra front was lighter than the C50? The ligher rim on the rear is probably offset by a heavier hub, DA will have more Ti and alu bits inside whereas there's not much you can do to lighten a front hub.
I wouldn't worry. My ancient and heavier R-550's are only marginaly 'worse' than my <1300g stans wheelset in terms of feel. Shimano wheelsets always punch above (or below?) their weight IME as they spend the money on light rims where it matters to compensate for their heavier hubs.
Got it- why does it feel heavier? will track down some scales 😀
No idea, I'd bet it's in your head, thinking that the beefy looking DA wheels should be heavy, so when they're similar to the spindly ultegra wheels you think they're lighter? The tyre and tube is 250g as a minium, they can't be lighter!
Why do all Hora bike threads make me want to scream*
"arrrrrrghgoddammitjustridetheeffingthinghoraarrrrrgh!!"
I wonder whether you ever actually fully enjoy any of your rides or whether they are all overshadowed by worrying about if thing X could be better/different and make it 0.35% nicer.
I can understand wanting to upgrade and chasing that theoretical perfection, but sometimes I do wonder if some people get lost in the chase.
* a light hearted scream with a smile, not a genuine scream of course 🙂
"arrrrrrghgoddammitjustridetheeffingthinghoraarrrrrgh!!"
TBF That's true for most STW threads 😉
which refers to installing tubeless tyres and breaking the airtight seal between rim and tyre, not to damaging the rim itself and preventing it from being used with tubeless tyres in the future. Least that's how I read it.
Good point. Do the tyre manufacturers make similar warnings?
I wonder whether you ever actually fully enjoy any of your rides or whether they are all overshadowed by worrying about if thing X could be better/different and make it 0.35% nicer.
I doubt many of us on here make impulsive purchases (or possibly less so than others male/females).
We look into the detail, things like colour- when ordering a car or bike. If we are given choice and theres no obvious stand out colour we'll spend time thinking, looking for examples etc for a likeness wont we? Its all good stuff 8)
Just bought some Superstar Volta hubs laced to some Pacenti SL23 rims for £169. Lighter than Shimano and on trend wide rims.
I was tempted by superstar but their email/contact form bounced and my left voicemail wasnt returned. If you are reading this fruit I can send you the form error message report. Doesnt bode well. Anyway I also bought the RS81 C24's but chose to fit the Ultegra wheels
The GP4000's went on with NO levers.
Superstar Pave 28 are on my shopping list. New school wide road rims and decent weight.
i'd be concerned that the weight is a made up number like the mtb rims - which seem like a good buy; until you find out they are 20% heavier than they claim and actually there are lots of similar rims.
@thomthumb that is why I ended up not going for the Pave 28s and bought the Pacenti SL23s.
Also -why would anyone pay 1k for wheels that are heavier than Ultegra? (I'm missing something here I bet- comfort and stiffness).
[s]To match the group set, as I'm an unspeakable bike tart[/s].
Aero innit.
Dont get me wrong I'd have the Dura ace all day long. Sublime is the word. Thats where the money is spent.
@thomthumb that is why I ended up not going for the Pave 28s and bought the Pacenti SL23s.
Same here. Went for the Pacenti SL23 Volta 11p Hub Clearance deal on Superstar. Only £169.99 with Cycling Weekly discount code. Don't know much about the hubs but this is what Superstar wrote on bike radar about them.
Ok here's the deal. The hubs are our 11speed version but we have upgraded them again online with out tesla EVO mountain hubs, so these are the clearance 60 engagement ones. The rims are just the old sticker version.
Surely worth a try at that price. They'll be a good upgrade over my Shimano R501's that came on my Supersix.
You'll find the higher up the shimano tree you go you get rounder wheels ....
Just done 42miles around Sowerby/Calderdale on thrm. Awesome tyres.
pretty sure Superstar use Novatec hubs?
Only problem is anytime anyone buys a superstar component a crow scratches a baby's face and a fairy drowns in a kitten's tears.
besides which, Ultegra matched my groupset.
Latex tubes and sensible pressures?
Latex tubes and sensible pressures?
Bought 2xVittori Latex tubes. They feel very sensual 😯
What do you class as sensible pressures? I've been running 80psi on normal tubes and it doesn't pinch/feels good on my GP4000II's.
Sounds reasonable. I run 75/85 (front/rear). Experiment a bit and see what feels good.
Flipping heck, I'm running 110psi on my 23mm Conti's. Might drop it to 100psi for my 25mm wide Conti's.
Perhaps a little high?
Flipping heck, I'm running 110psi on my 23mm Conti's. Might drop it to 100psi for my 25mm wide Conti's.Perhaps a little high?
Not really, that's what I run mine at as well as everything going out of the workshop!
Im 15stone and Im not struggling. On 100-110 previous along with previous tyres it was 'orrible.
80psi is fine for me on 25c, rolls nicely and I never puncture (Pro 4s).
I seem to remember reading on bikeradar a couple of posts about the dura-ace wheels and they were not impressed, apparently the low weight is partly generated by the rim walls being very thin so the life of the wheels are short - which isn't a problem if you're either a pro team getting them cheap/free or daft rich....
