[Closed] Passporte du Soleil - who else is doing it?

The best way to not get stuck in lift queues is to not start in Les Gets or Morzine, but i don't think thats going to help you. The Torgons loop out the back of Chatel was fantastic last year but you may have to give it a miss if you are worried about not making it round.

I'm going
Driving down the Tuesday night before, going back the Monday after. One of our group has done it before, and he reckons being organized is the key.
We're camping in Morzine

Well we are supposed to be doing it in a group of maybe 10, however most of the blokes are doing it on the Saturday to fly around, mainly because the other 2 girls (not me) aren't really DHilers and probably won't make it round at all!! I want to make it round and my skills at DHing are way better than theirs and I know technically I can handle the trails. I have a funny feeling me and Mr MC may end up off on our own, as the girls won't make it and the boys will stay will stay with them (being boyf's) and since they've done it hte day before (we aren't!!!).

Oh and does anyone know about the freebie points on the chip lift pass? I know you get bonus points, does anyone know how many bonus points get you a free days lift pass? As we have 90 odd points each and wondered if that'll get us a free day, as they haven't told us each year. Yet last year a mate was told to use her points but we can't remember how much you get. I know it's a lot more in the winter say 300 instead of 90 ... any helpers!!?

Man I'm waffling now....getting tired!

You will be given a card for a free days lift pass anyway. Don't know how many points you get. Don't try and stick in too big a group as you are bound to get punctures or mechanicals and you could spend quite a bit of time hanging around. Last year the so called downhiller in our group was one of the slowest as there is quite a bit of climbing. Its a long way to push up all the hills. He was also crap on the downs but thats another story.

I AM!!!!!!

Tip 1: Get there an hour before the official start to get good position
Tip 2: Go tubeless or go home! 6 off us last year clocked up over 140 hours riding in 3.5 days last year and no one had a puncture.
Tip 3: take loads of brake pads
Tip 4: Stick the widest and highest volume tyres you can get on your wheels!
Tip 5: Enjoy every minute of it!

I am so excited its daft!

Yep, I'm in. Just got confirmation of name transfer on the entry (thanks WCA!)
Do they use any of the downhill courses or is it all singletrack type trails? I was planning on just using an xc lid and knee pads.

Olderthandirt - howdy, and glad you're on board!
Think me and pete are wearing full facers, and andy is going xc lid, so you'll not be the odd one out either way!

DrP

First time here too.

Starting from Morgins in Switzerland so hoping it'll be quieter than from some of the bigger resorts.

Not had much time to look forward to it yet, but suppose I better start soon as it's less than a month away now.

What times do the lifts open and close in the PdS region?

Last year, we started from Morgins, no queue at all at the tourist office to pick up the packs just after 7am and only a handle of biker's cars at that time, then away we went.

Depends on how gnarly you want the tour to be. I've done it twice on my only bike (NRS) with my usual tyres and luckily have never punctured. Of course I didn't do the real downhill sections but just had to go a bit more gently on the very stoney fireroad sections. I had my xc lid with no protecs, but then again I ain't no kamikaze.

We finished just after 6pm, if I can remember rightly after doing the full tour, we didn't really linger around at the ravitos, where a bit of time can be spent.

Year before, we left from Champery, again quiet for the departure but arrived "late" (a few minutes before it should have stopped)for the chair lift at Morgins for the return, the bloke at the depart tried to contact the bloke at the arrival to start up the lift, but no reply, I think he was already in the pub! So he directed us for the return to Champery, by a bit of road, path and then (long) main road up to the village, which was a few miles we could have done without.

Too late this year to book, but a good day out, enjoy everybody.

Think me and pete are wearing full facers, and andy is going xc lid, so you'll not be the odd one out either way!

DrP

Yep. My full-facer arrived yesterday with my elbow pads and huge wide handlebars. 🙂 So I'll look like a gnarly downhiller, but ride like an XC jeyboy. I just don't wanna crash and make myself look even uglier, TBH....
😉

That's all my kit sorted now.

Full face all the way it'll give you that extra bit of protection, never bother taking XC lid with me. I'm super excited as I love Morzine but just not done the official PDS before. Should be a good un, guessing me and Mr MC will potter off on our own then by the sounds of it! as I actually want to make it around.

I actually want to make it around.

OK, talk to me about this.....
The way you speak it seems that there is some doubt you'll get round?
As I understand it, it's about 75k of going up on lifts, then riding back down, yes?
Now, I don't imagine it'll be easy riding, not at all, but can it be any harder than a 100k enduro? What's the time limit?
😕

2 hours...
Better get training!

DrP

2 hours?
75k Downhill?

That's 23.25mph average. Easy. I've seen how steep those slopes are. I'll do it in one and a half.....
😉

Sounds like an early start is in order then. I really don't like wearing a full facer if there's any flat or uphill sections but maybe I'll take it with me and make a decision on the day. I wont have a downhill bike so don't expect to be 'hooning' on the downs. Saying that, I do suffer from 'red mist syndrome' sometimes when in the Alps!

did it last year in a large group and recommend an early start

the riding doesn't justify a full face helmet tbh

have fun overtaking the teams of fat euro xc riders in lyrca! 😉

No actual time limit i think but the lifts close at around 6ish so if you are later than that you may have a long ride back!

BTW I have two places spare for a sunday start from morzine if anyone is interested?
tlyons10@aol.com

The only problem you might have getting round is if you have many mechanicals or hit big queues on the lifts. We always start in Champéry so by the time we hit Morzine / Les Gets it's not too busy.
There is some pedalling in certain sections but it's not physically hard. For me the worst thing is the mental exhaustion from concentrating for so long.
I can't wait! 🙂

Done it a few times now - here's what I learnt.
Start early, i.e. within 30 mins of the lifts opening. This will give you loads of time to really enjoy the views and possibly do some detours.
Don't bother with the optional Chatel loop. It's not that interesting, there is a monster push half way around and the time you save can be better spent elsewhere.
Full face and spine guard are a very good idea.
Run DH tubes and tyres or run tubeless but either way be prepared for punctures.
A six inch bike will as quick if not quicker than an eight inch bike.
Lifts close officially at 6pm, but the marshalls on track are very good at making sure no one gets stranded. One year they raced ahead to our last lift and kept it open to 6.30pm for us.
It's worth doing the Plenny a few times, also Les Get 1/Canyon while you're there.
Don't underestimate the amount of pedalling. It is mostly downhill but there is still around 300m of climbing and it feels like more when it's spread thinly over lots of km of trails.
An adjustable seat post is a very good idea.
The food on route is not much to write home about but at least there is plenty of it.
The best bit is the run down into Chatel from the top of the Lindarets valley. The run back into Lindarets from the top of the Mossettes lift is also excellent.
Just looking at the route for this year and it appears a little different to previous years. The Chatel - Torgon - Chatel loop looks longer. You've also got an option to the French national track down into Lindarets from Avoriaz; that's a pretty hairy track!
Make sure you pass lots of lycra clad Euro-weenies riding their £90 Halfords Specials.
Have fun, it's a great event.

They give you the option of doing the French national course? Bl**dy hell, I hope theres some warning signs at the top. That is indeed a pretty hairy track.

The Torgon loop out the back of Chatel last year was different to previous and had the best section of forest single track you will find on any of the circuit but it does take quite a bit of time.You will need to be quite a quick rider to be confident you are going to get all the way back before last lift accounting for group members faffing. It is also the only section of the days ride that is not open at any other time. You can session the Pleny all week if you are that way inclined.

All in all geetee has it pretty well covered.

V helpful for a first timer - nice one! So setting off from Morzine I should set off v early, and expect some lift queues. Does it get pretty crowded on the trails themselves whilst you're riding? And how much can you rely on the nosh stations?

runswithscissors - potentially interested in those tickets for someone if you've still got them. Sent you mail.

Last year they were building an easier smooth bermed section next to the main french national downhill, and i suspect that is what they will be sending you down. The main course is pretty nutty in places. Generally the trails are not crowded although there are a few pinch points. Food stations are great if you like ham and cheese. If you are a good rider and there is an option to take a more technical descent such as down to Champery then take it.

So, what bikes is everybody taking then?

Me = Pitch Pro, with shorter stem/wider bars, flatties, double and bash.
I've got some spare chunkier wheels and the loan of some 2.5in double ply Maxxis tyres too....

AJC - I feel ROBBED! The Chatel Torgon loop I did last year was all fire road and massive push. We must have seriously missed something.

I've done it on a DH bike once and my Spesh Enduro every time since. The Enduro was so much more fun than the DH bike and I'm sure it was as quick if not quicker over most of the course.

The guy that runs Riders Retreat did it on an Orange 224 with Fox 36s on last year and he said he had a hoot on it. He is quite a bit fitter though so probably coped with the pedally bits better.

I'm taking my Orange 5

geetee

You must have missed the worlds smallest sign directing you to the single track. We did the first time and decided to get the lift back up and come round again and it was well worth it. It meant we did not get all the way to Les gets from Chatel but none of the group were fussed as we had all ridden that stuff hundreds of times before. We were advised by a friend who is a guide in Chatel not to miss out.

Bike wise i have done the last 3 on my hustler with pikes, strong wheels and 2.5 supertacky up front with a 2.5 high roller in the back. I reckon its just about perfect for that kind of event although it is slightly underbiked for absolutely ragging the down hill courses.

I'll be taking my Orange 5 too. Its built up a bit more freeridey with bashgaurd, 2.35 tubeless ignitors, short stem etc.

some of the road bits in switzerland are boring.
you can do some downhill tracks instead, i think the swiss downhill track

3rd year on the trot for me

Great info above!

I'm taking my Reign (with Fox 36 fork).

Still undecided about tubeless 2.35in XC tyres or 2.5in DH tyres with DH tubes.

Also will probably upgrade rotors all the way from 180mm/160mm to 203mm front and rear, since I have the adaptors and discs already.

Probably going for my full-face lid, but not without misgivings.

[i]have fun overtaking the teams of fat euro xc riders in lyrca![/i]

Mostly I over took fat padded-up brits...go figure.

Course doesn't [i]need[/i] a full face, but it's a choice thing innit? Hope the weather's nice.

Too late this year to book.

I booked my place (starting from Morgins) just a few minutes ago.

I realise you probably meant too late to organise the trip, but thought I'd point that out just in case!

Hey Munqe-chick, I'm doing the PdS on the Sunday and was wondering if you and Mr MC mind if I tag along?!

I did the small loop last year from Morzine as was with the Mrs and friend who are not all that confident, this year I'm down to do it on my own but would like some company. I am happy to talk about bikes, snowboarding, family, etc...

Hopefully I'd not hold you up too much, but if I drop behind I am happy to be left behind!

(Mr M-C posting) its my 8th summer in Portes du soleil and I last did the organised ride when it was called the Freeraid (maybe 6 years ago?). Me n M-C then tried to re-trace the loop a year or 2 later, and I got confused between "my" loop and the signposted permanent (and slightly different) PdS loop. then the chatel chair shut for about 2 hours due to thunderstorms...

I wouldnt dream of riding it without a full face. M-C did on her first year and came off on the les gets 4X and made a mess of her face (and more importantly the Smith glasses I'd lent her :wink:. Ive had a few big offs over the years (broke a foot, dislocated a shoulder, and a couple of concussions in separate years) and have slowly acquired kit to the extent I now own the Dainese Pro Shuttle one piece full body suit. Got my moneys worth last year when I came off one of the highest bits of woodwork in Chatel bike park...

Along with the usual bits I'll be carrying spare dropouts and jockey wheels (again the voice of bitter experience) and some cheapy but goody walkie talkies which are good for easing the worry after waiting for someone for what seems like too long.

SammyC get in touch with MC nearer the time I'm sure we'll make you welcome. And if you kick are arses we'll both deny it on here 🙂

Cheers for that Mr MC and MC, oh and you'll be safe from me in the arse kicking department! 😀

I have done the event twice on a hard tail with SPD's a XC lid. If you don't ride outside your ability, you should be fine without elbow or knee pads in my view. Having a full sus bike is definitely an advantage, but by no means essential.

Can't wait. Starting from Morzine for the first time, so appreciate the suggestion of getting there nice and early. May see if we can swing a pink ticket away from home so that we can camp!

Has anyone got any pics?

Whoop whoop super excited now thinking about it! I'll be on a Giant Reign 2 awesome for Morzine trails. Sammy drop us an e-mail and then we can arrange it nearer the time. franwhyte AT hotmail DOT com

I am starting from Avoraiz but staying in Morzine. How easy is it going to be to get to Avoraiz?

Not too bad to get to Avoriaz however I don't know what time you'd be able to get there with the lifts as they probably just start for the PDS. Previously we had a friend who had a ticket to start elsewhere but he just played pretty and dump in Morzine and they let him start there.

Paging Chakaping (and anyone else starting from Morgins).

I'm doing the PdS for the first time starting from Morgins on the Saturday. Was planning to ride solo, but some company would be good. Any chance I could tag along with you? As someone else said, if you're faster (I'm a pretty average trail rider riding a Spesh Enduro SL) I'd be happy just to drop back.

Me and the missus will be there doing it as well from chambery. i have a red nomad and the missus is on a rocky moutain Exts - say hi or shout at us if yo see us.

Dave

Hi amphibian, sure thing, there's five of us doing it and the inevitable faffing usually means we don't set any record times.

My email's in my profile if you'd like to drop me a line.

Still got a pair (one male one female)of tickets for sunday start from Morzine spare if anyone is interested!

There'll be two of us starting from Champéry on the Saturday, the third guy can't make it unfortunately so I might have a spare ticket too...

snowslave - there are some pics here from 3 years ago. They're in reverse order for some reason, we didn't start with a beer!
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We are supposed to be doing it from Morzine on the Saturday, 2 of us and have been getting really excited about it. We have a problem....! We originally booked to start at Chatel as soon as entries were open, the next day for various reasons we contacted Active Sport who did the entries and asked if we could be changed to start at Morzine. They emailed us saying that they had made the change on the database. So we were happy! Last week I realised you could check entry details on Active sports website so thought I'd print a copy off. Imagine my horror when I saw whoever had altered our entry had put Morgins as our start place. Meanwhile we'd booked accommodation and transfers for Morzine. What makes it worse is we are only going for 2 nights so can't even make up for it if we can't do the PPDS.
Active sport say they can't change it now and have given us contact details for the organisers -I've emailed them a few times but heard nothing, and my French isn't good enough to try and sort it over the phone.
What can we do?

Am I silly to be thinking about taking my new DH bike instead of my Reign?

A friend who's been to Morzine a few times says I'll regret it if I don't.

I did it last year with some mates and was supposed to be going again this year but broke my collarbone riding to work this morning so thats put a stopper on that. Arse.

broke my collarbone riding to work

Bummer. The worst crashes never seem to happen when you expect.

🙁

(mr M-C posting) cha****ng, youre spoiled for choice! Ive been to portes du soleil for 8 years and for the last 4 its been on a 5" Coiler. I ride with guys on 8" Glory's and we're pretty even on most trails.

If youve got a DH bike take it, it IS a DH mecca, but a reign is 6" which is hardly under equipped! You might "enjoy" the flat sections and odd climbs more on the reign but most people ride full-on DH bikes.

Mrs M-C did it on a hardtail wih 48mm elastomer forks the first year (which ground to dust and ended up rigid but flexy), then on a 5" I-drive and the last couple of years on a 6" Reign.

Harvik gutted for you, me n mrs M-C have deliberately decided not to ride this w/e despite the nice weather so as not to tempt fate.

ATC2K head cam (with a loose mount) footage of a previous trip

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In simple terms what is it? I take it's an alpine enduro? Lots of uplifts to enjoy as many downs as you can get in?

Set course, with some more 'core optional routes and an optional extension loop. Not a race, just an organised ride, with food stops.
Riders start from one of 7(?) villages which spreads riders across the course.

A lap of the Portes du Soleil region taking in several uplifts and downhills to complete a 75km loop with a huge downhill bias.

details on

http://www.passportesdusoleil.com/index.jsp?c=65885

route on

I think that I may have decided on next years' 'weekend' away!!

Oh gawd, I'm in a real quandry now.

Don't mean to hijack this thread with muy bike dilemna, but I honestly can't decide.

Reign
Pros: I know the bike, it's set up perfectly for me with great kit, can beef it up with DH front wheel, wide bars and big tyres and discs.

Cons: Can't use DH rear wheel and not sure about a 2.5in DH tyre on the 719 rim.

Big Hit
Pros: Only ridden in anger once so far but felt at home on it straight away, 7in front/8in rear of smooth coil travel. I really want to take it.

Cons: Is the Alps the best place to get to know a new bike? Heavy and slack, more budget kit, set-up and kit not all bedded in yet, worried I'll be pushing it up any slight incline.

I love riding long flat singletrack traverses and obviously the Big Hit will be crap at those. But I'm learning to love the downhills too.

Anyone doen the PPdS on a heavy DH bike? What's the ratio of climbing/flat/downwards?

Any more opinions from those who've been out there before?

Ta.

i ride the bike i need for the rest of the week in Morzine and using uplifts mostly, 2.5ins tyres 6-7ins travel.

last year the climbing was a bit of a slog for one bit up to the lake at Morgins on the road - wouldn't want to do it on anything much heavier than 35-36lbs

most of course was wider slightly gravity assisted with only a couple of mild downhill options - might be 1 or 2 more options this year

we've got 8 possibly 9 starters from Morzine on the sunday

mudhound

Myself & a mate are both starting from Morzine on Saturday. Unluckily our friend is staying with us in Morzine, but has an Avoiraz start. Anyone know how long it wll take him to get up there before the kick-off?

Cha****ng IMHO a big hit is way overkill for ppds although plenty of people ride big bikes. Take what your used to riding with big tyres on. Could use a big hit if your planning on doing loads of dh riding the rest of the time you are there.

Cha****ng, take the Reign, you don't want to be lugging a DH bike around the PPDS IMHO, and the reign is perfectly adequate for most of the DH around there unless you are planning to do airtime bigtime.

Myself & a mate are both starting from Morzine on Saturday. Unluckily our friend is staying with us in Morzine, but has an Avoiraz start. Anyone know how long it wll take him to get up there before the kick-off?

Our start was supposed to be Avoriaz, but we were staying in Morzine, we managed to blag our way onto the lifts from Morzine.

I rode a Giant Trance just beefed it up a little (alot of fun on Le Plenney, Lets gets 1 & 2), I had a full face, elbow and Knee/shin armour, I only used 2.25" tyres but with downhill tubes.

The larger the group, the more mechanicals, the less time you have to complete the route and you've got to make time for the stunning scenery (especially Switzerland).

Don't try and run anyone over on the downhills like one of my gang did. Fortunately he ran over another one of my gang who had a comedy crash on the trail a few seconds earlier.

I wish I was doing it this year... 😥

epic its 20 mins drive or so up there (dont know about parking or picking stuff up but shouldn't be much of a queue)- if driving he could get up get pack and come back down. your best to leave les gets til last (as can freewheel back down to Morzine if get stuck there at end of day). bit of queue at Super Morzine lift for getting up to Avoriaz whereas if start there and head along Swiss superhighway to Les lindarets and the chatel bike park there's no queue at start.

we never saw our guy who started from avoriaz all day last year, started from Les gets and then got stuck in a bar in Morzine for quite some while at end of day when lift stopped. bike show in morzine this year so can do that on the non passportes day

Done the passportes a few times officially and solo; here are my tips -

Full face helmet and body armour is, in my opinion, unnessary. Knees, shin and elbow pads are.

I've done it on 224 fitted with single crowns, old patriot LT, and a Norco A-line. 224 with single crown forks easily best, so don't be afraid of taking DH bikes, though all-mountain (?) such as Pitch look ideal. Orange 5 with 36's also looks good.

Again, as many have said, big tyres and well maintained brakes are a must.

Some, but not all, lycra'd euro' racers are slow - many are very fast indeed, on unfeasibly crap bikes, so don't go trying to follow/race everyone - it'll end in a stack.

Enjoy yourselves.

Beanum,

I would be very interested in getting yoru spare place starting from chambery on saturday. I can not find out how to get your email from your profile. Please email me on dnwsmith @ hotmail .com

Cheers

Dave

Some, but not all, lycra'd euro' racers are slow - many are very fast indeed, on unfeasibly crap bikes

😆 Yes I remember them as they flew past me down hill at warp speed on some ancient pink and green peugeot rigid bike with cantilevers!!!

That's because they couldn't stop, Andy!
😉

You all ready yet? I've been faffing with packing on and off for a week now. Hopefully done today. It seems to be more kit than I imagined it would be, apart from the tools and spares which are remarkably compact.....
To be fair my camping/sleeping kit is the bulk of it.
🙂

Quick open question -

How many sets of brake pads should I have d'ya think?
I've got ggod ones on the bike and 4 spare pairs of sintered. (2 bikes worth)

Should be enough for 4.5 days riding, yeah...?...?

4 spair pairs here. No, loads to do! Need to sort bike; big rotors, change tyres, bleed brakes, new seat post etc etc.....

Ha - we're all in the same stage then!
I've fitted my adjustable post - yours here yet andy??
Packed 4 new pairs of pads, and a new pair at each end on the bike too....
Got a little shoe box with a mech, chain, pads, 180mm rotor, SPDs, spare cleats, zip ties......

Flats fitted to the bike, unworn full face in the box (well, I say unworn but I did wear it up and down the street for a bit...)

I'm gonna start a new thread where you can post your 'I've Alpified my bike' pics!!

Looking forward to it chaps!

DrP

Yep. My full-facer arrived yesterday with my elbow pads and huge wide handlebars. So I'll look like a gnarly downhiller, but ride like an XC jeyboy. I just don't wanna crash and make myself look even uglier, TBH....

Could that actually be possible?? 😯 😉

You found a full-facer to fit, then?

I think you left it here:
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RB that image will be with me all next week 😆

DrP; yup post has arrived and will fit this afternoon. Bit worried about this effect when I release it though 😯

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just about packed now.
dont forget a first aid kit and sudacrem!

You boys are packed? I made the mistake of telling people i was going on holiday for a week (i'm sure they thought I said I was emigrating) so have to work all weekend. The joys of being self employed. Saying that, I think I have everything I need and will try to get packed monday night. Getting excited now and praying for good weather!

No not packed at all! Still pfaffing with van and other stuff.

But the all important question - is your bike sparkling clean...?

Andy - Are you planning on bringing bike polishing stuff, or shall I shove some brushes/lube/GT85/microfibre towels with my kit? You know I feel queezy when my bike gets dirty!

DrP

DrP; Thought PP was getting some communal stuff?

He said he was bringing double strength rubbers and buckets of lube, but then asked [b]me [/b]to bring inner-tubes and teflon chain grease....
[naive] Oh he's a forgetful sod that PP.......[/naive]

DrP

Note - I didn't know he was bringing cleaning guff. I'll have it in my car anyways...

double strength rubbers and buckets of lube

Are you two sharing a tent?

Ah no worries, I'll throw some in the back of the van.

Ooohh so excited now! Just watched the movie again (above) to remind myself how much fun it is and hope for good weather!!! Fingers crossed!