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I am not selling the bike.
How much aren't you selling it for? 😉
It's a new bike. They all take some getting used to. Just relax, it'll come good.
it'll come good.
And when it doesn't, how much?
Touch much rear brake? back end squatting under braking making the bike slacker. OR after years and years of riding smaller wheeled bikes, your brain is still its reprogramming phase.
First thing that I'd do is rotate the bars away from you? And drop the stem. Play with that first and/or lower rise???
Buy a secondhand shorter stem too. One you can easy sell on for zero loss (X4 etc)
Rickon is spot on. I have a Alpine Five as well, coming from a 26" Five I found you can't be lazy, you actually have to ride properly, look around the corners and actually turn the bars and lean the bike.
It took a bit of getting used to, but I never have any trouble in tight stuff.
Seriously, don't **** around with tweaking things on the bike, work on your technique first! Only then think about tweaking if the bike is stopping you from executing good technique.
I dint want to change anything as 99% or the time the bike feels spot on.
It's not XC bike, big wheels slack angles, you probably just need to use more body language and be a bit more aggressive with it.
I dint want to change anything as 99% or the time the bike feels spot on.
Good call, try leaning the bike more into turns, get your weight really over the front end. I really press myself into the bike on turns to get the weight on the front tyre.
I'd remove that 5mm spacer, will actually make a difference and it's free.
Good call, try leaning the bike more into turns, get your weight really over the front end. I really press myself into the bike on turns to get the weight on the front tyre
Boom! We are pretty much back to the first post. PayPal gift will be fine Renton.
I will try removing the spacer and see what happens.
The stem will drop 5mm
Cheers
Nice one cheers for that.
I meant to the handling of the bike.
absolutely nothing, I would imagine.
Will move your mass slightly lower and further forward. Should help the front wheel bite a little more.
mikeep - MemberWill move your mass slightly lower and further forward
Remember those old threads about wrist pain.....
The stem will drop 5mm
Assuming 66 degree head angle, removing a 5mm spacer -
x = 5 - (5*cos66)
x = 2.97
So it will drop 2.97mm.
....should be enough to bring the trails alive I reckon 🙂So it will drop 2.97mm.
....and if not, I'd agree with comments about a coaching session. Best 'upgrade' for many of us..
Not having it, It will still move 5mm down the steerer.
[i]....and if not, I'd agree with comments about a coaching session. Best 'upgrade' for many of us.. [/i]
+1
Also can't fail with a grippier front tyre.
iainc - Member
So it will drop 2.97mm.
....should be enough to bring the trails alive I reckon
Havent you heard that only happens if you drop it 2.75!
Pfffft. It's a 29er, morons. Only 650b makes the trails come alive.
That sounds extreme - I make it 4.57mm drop for a 5mm spacer.Assuming 66 degree head angle, removing a 5mm spacer -x = 5 - (5*cos66)
x = 2.97So it will drop 2.97mm.
(66 degrees is measured from horizontal)
Weight front more, counter steer harder, look through corner properly. 29ers require more input to turn in than 26 or "that wheel size for people that cannot ride 29ers properly".
Flame me but - so you have to adapt your riding style and give it more force/cohere or as you call it 'body language it'?
For me a bike should feel at one with you on trail riding- you lean it goes etc. For you to over ride the bloody thing isn't right.
As for coaching? Coach you into adapting how to ride on a bike that isn't intuitive for the sort of riding that you want?
You should have coaching to make you a better rider not to be able to iron out the inadequacies of a bike manufacturers design/concept.
I'll stick with 26/26 and 650b/26 for all my trail needs 😀
We know that's how you feel hora 🙂
For me a bike should feel at one with you on trail riding- you lean it goes etc. For you to over ride the bloody thing isn't right.
It's not a totally unreasonable attitude, and a fair enough way to pick bikes, but surely you are limiting yourself to bikes that feel like the ones that you learnt to ride on, or at least similar to your last well liked bike if it needs to be immediately intuitive? After all, familiar and habitual aren't necessarily right, are they, so it's fair enough if folk are willing to learn how to ride a little differently for the sake of getting used to a bike which may offer better capabilities in some regard.
Wow this has got a bit out of hand hasn't it.
For me the bike feels perfect. I am totally happy with how it rides and seem to have gotten used to it already.
Looking at the two sections where it ran wide they were quite high speed and the corner tightened up. It could of been the gyroscopic effect of the larger wheels or something else.
I certainly never felt like I need more front end grip.
Hora.... No offence mate but you talk out of your arris most of the time and currently run a bike that Is to small for you with the wrong size wheels.
AlexSimon - MemberAssuming 66 degree head angle, removing a 5mm spacer -
x = 5 - (5*cos66)
x = 2.97So it will drop 2.97mm.
That sounds extreme - I make it 4.57mm drop for a 5mm spacer.
(66 degrees is measured from horizontal)
You are correct, in my rush to add a witty comment I rushed my geometry calc.
Looking at the two sections where it ran wide they were quite high speed and the corner tightened up. It could of been the gyroscopic effect of the larger wheels
having had much hilarity riding with sanny on his 'monster fat' at Mugdock with 5 inch tyres last night I'd say that youve nailed it there 🙂
Flame me but - so you have to adapt your riding style and give it more force/cohere or as you call it 'body language it'?For me a bike should feel at one with you on trail riding- you lean it goes etc. For you to over ride the bloody thing isn't right.
As for coaching? Coach you into adapting how to ride on a bike that isn't intuitive for the sort of riding that you want?
You should have coaching to make you a better rider not to be able to iron out the inadequacies of a bike manufacturers design/concept.
Only because renton (and others) grew up on 26" bikes, and have adapted to riding them. We weren't born and then ready to ride bikes, you had to learn.
Anything that's a little bit different requires you to adjust a little bit, road bikes, 29ers, etc...
I guess that's why some people give up on certain bikes, because they can't be bothered to put effort into getting used to riding them.
hora - Member
Flame me
Ok then. Did you ever stop to consider that with the exception of Renton's machine being called a "bike" most of it is different to his old one? Geo, setup, handling, size, components etc.
Do you expect that if I gave you a Harley for a year you'd then be able to jump an Ducatti 916 and be able to handle it perfectly?
I have noticed your attitude toward women is the same despite the intended victim, but beyond that please use some common sense.
Back to helping you with running wide - I find this occasionally with my 29ers, having a little too much speed and starting to run wide. I've got into the habit of just feathering the rear brake to bring the rear around a bit and thus straighten the bike up.
Try practicing it on the particular section you mention.
'Your attitute towards women'. Im sorry, what?
I posted up a differing of opinion but no ill will towards Renton and you post a fairly reasonable retort but why that line on women?
You heard!
Surely it's simply the point that you were riding sections faster than ever before and nearing the limits of your bikes tyres adhesion to the surfacex and your ability to control said bike.......if you didn't crash, you were on the limit for that bike/tyre/rider combination in my opinion. Same with driving different cars on the limit, go beyond it or the drivers capabilities you will crash.
All my riding limits tend to come about either through tyre pressure or tread pattern/grip.......ie High Rollers.....when you get to that drop off point on the edges of the tread blocks and it all gets to the point of not recovering the slide.....or the tyre deforms through lack of pressure and starts to roll off the rim. The tyres I prefer riding are rounded profile type tread patterns, they seem to hang on for longer ie old Continue Rubber Queen Black Chilli vs Nobby Nics.....I can't corner anywhere near as fast on Same bike, same suspension, same tyre pressure but different tyre....ie Nobby Nics are crap for my riding style.
Sometimes we can also all be guilty of overthinking our rides............surely the best ride is one where you finish the tide smiling, not worrying about one or two corners out of many that you didn't nail.....
Just my thoughts......don't overthink it....just tide.
I'm always smiling when on the bike !!
I'm pleased to see that Renton's living proof that 29ers are faster.
FACT!
@ Hora
My apologies, I was grouchy earlier and that was uncalled for.
No problem 🙂 , renton carry on. Ive got a spare 650b wheelset if you want to borrow em 😀
Why would I want to do that you weirdo
I ride a bike designed for 29 inch wheels which is what it will have fitted.
Why would I want to do that you weirdoI ride a bike designed for 29 inch wheels which is what it will have fitted.
Havent you heard Renton?...the powers that be in the bike industry have decided that 29ers are now old hat and that sticking 650b wheels in your 29er frame with 2.8 rubber will make you gazillion times faster again!....or some such industry bo@@ocks....its called 650b+ because as we all know putting a 'plus' sign with the product name makes it immediately better than what came before....or some such industry bo@@ocks.
nearing the limits of your bikes tyres adhesion to the surfacex
All my riding limits tend to come about either through tyre pressure or tread pattern/grip
Really? I mean.... really? I ride no where near the limits of my tyres, I pull on the fear sticks way before then, and it's my rubbish cornering that either ends in me cartwheeling down a hill or in some bushes.
I've yet to think "Pffft, Minions, you're not good enough for my riding style".
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