Yellow tape £3
29er rimstrips £11 each from JRA
Already had the Stan's LoveJuice £0
Tried high volume trackpump that does the job on UST stuff - NO WIN, ended up redder than Alex Ferguson with the effort
Tried airline at garages - £0.80 plus 15 miles diesel cos they all have "safe" air lines that only pump up when the tyre already has air in it already, or on "flat tyre" setting, knock out so little air an asthmatic vole would be embarrased at the peak flow reading.
Tried 3x CO2 cartridges £6 - managed freeze-burned finger and that was about it
So Compressor + attachment kit £134 from B&Q. Ka-pop off we go.
Not recreating the scene where Basil Fawlty beats his car up with a branch - Priceless
Anyone ever managed to get non-UST tyres seated on a Stan's kit without a compressor? I've used UST rims and tyres for years and only ever resorted to CO2 once, but Stan's "budget" solution was a pain in the c*nt. Ah well, at least I have a compressor now. And the garden doesn't look _much_ like an out-take from a cheap bukake film.
Anyone ever managed to get non-UST tyres seated on a Stan's kit without a compressor?
Yep - though usually I just use my home-made one - cost ~£5 in parts (comes with free lemonade). Seated my latest on an Eclipse rimstrip (should be similar fit to a Stans strip) using just a trackpump by first inflating with a tube so already having one bead seated, which helps a lot.
Copydex glue works for me , just paint it on around the bead pumps up straight away, then just wipe off with a damp cloth. Stans Flows with Stans kit, X 2
Yes, I use pegs on difficult ones. Then they work with any half decent track pump.
Yep. Got a pair of Scwhalbes on with very little effort compared to you.
1/ On with tubes in and left a couple of days to iron out any kinks where they'd been folded
2/ tube out, reinflate with no sealant to get one side seated
3/ Pop the bead on one side to add sealant
4/ Reinflate
It was only part 2 that took any real effort, but still went OK with a track pump. Although my arm was moving faster than a teenager with a copy of the Sunday Sport who's just heard his mum coming up the stairs.
Pop the bead on one side to add sealant
I thought the rimstrims also had removable valve cores now? Have never popped a bead to add sealant. Mind you, as mentioned above, one side should already be seated after inflating with tube, so not sure what your step 2 is adding.
Of course I should have mentioned that I also remove valve cores for initial seating - helps a lot with air flow rate.
because I didn't use just the yellow tape (in fact didn't use yellow tape at all), I used the full rubber strips with a built in valve over normal rimtape. So you have to get the tyre and tube back off in order to centre and align the rimstrip, then refit the tyre.
And I went for the inflation before sealant option because if it had turned out to be a mf I wanted to find that out before I had half a pint of white stuff inside the tyre. Difficult to abort once the tyres full of it.
I used the full rubber strips with a built in valve
Ah - sorry was forgetting the notubes strips were like that. I have Eclipse rimstrips which have removable valve (and a set of Notubes rims with yellow tape), hence I pumped up with a tube with the strip in place.
I went for the inflation before sealant option
As do I - very sensible. Doesn't mean you can't remove the valve core to add sealant once seated!
Christ, was considering using Stans conversion kit at some point to go tubeless..
Knew it would be a pain to get inflated and seated etc.. But that all sounds horrendous!
Is it really that difficult to do? Have never heard of having to inflate with a tube first to get the bead on...
*might just stick with inner tubes after all after reading this...*
Had a few similar experiences with Stan's, seems very hit and miss as to whether they work or not. My last attempt was for a customer who was insistent that we fitted a set to his cyclocross bike, must have spent the best part of 2 hours up to my elbows in every combination of yellow tape, soapy water, rim-strips,track pumps,compressors and sealant before finally admitting defeat(and confirming that it really was the half-a*sed bodge I thought it was).Said customer reckoned he could do it, so we sent him the kit with his bike, and we received an apologetic phone call a few days later:)Also had some go up first time with minimum effort.
I have had zero problems with Schwalbe tyres on Stans rimstrips. The new pace star ones go up on Stans rims without a rimstrip extremely easily.
If it's a bit loose add some more tape under the rimstrip.
It helps if you pinch the tyre apart at the valve when inflating.
GB
you don't [u]have to[/u] inflate with a tube first, I just did that as the tyres had arrived folded and the beads were kinked. So putting a tube in, inflating and leaving overnight (which is ooh, 3 mins work?) in order to make the next bit easier isn't that much of a faff.
Second part was to prove that they would go on tubeless but before sealant was in, and if you make the effort to get one side on that's one less side to worry about when the sealant's in. But not essential.
Got a stans arch 29er rim, yellow tape fitted - stuck a regular maxxis ardent on with a track pump without any bother.
I have loads of Stans rimmed wheels and found the best thing was to ignore the yellow tape and rim strip nonsense! 3 layers of cross ply packing tape ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-Rolls-Cross-Weave-Parcel-Packing-Tape-25mmx50m-/140355982145?pt=UK_Packaging_Materials&hash=item20adde5341) do the job nicely.
(If you use 3 layers it builds up the rim bed meaning the tyres go on easier).
Then pop both beads on, add a dash of sealant and ensure bang the tyre in all the way round. Then hold the tyre down above the valve and use a track pump. Job done!
Take a look at this thread: [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ghetto-tubeless-inflator-total-cost-9p ]http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ghetto-tubeless-inflator-total-cost-9p[/url]
I made one, works a treat. For very difficult tyres I take the valve core out - goes up much easier. It actually isn't that difficult to get the valve core back in afterr inflation - just put your finger over the valve between taking the pump head off and getting the core in - the pressure will hold with your finger only.
The only tyre I've had to resort to a compressor (Kwik Fit) was a non UST Schwalbe Nobby Nic which totally refused to co-operate (before I had CO2 inflator).
Fitted non-UST Rubber Queen's the other week and it took no time.
Tyre on with tube for 15 minutes.
Unseated one bead and removed inner tube.
60ml of sealant added and the wheel rotated through lots of different axis to coat the inside of the tyre. I find this massively helps initial inflation as some non-ust tyres can be very porous and leak lots of air until sealed.
Track pump will then be enough for 90% of tyres, the other 10% will go up with CO2.
just about to try this (next week) with a new set of flows and 2 non ust dual ply maxxis tires (a 2.35 minion and a 2.35 larsen tt).
Do i just need yellow tape, sealent and a valve?
The rubber rim strips are for non tubeless rims or adding super security to tubeless rims right?
Got an industrial compressor on the farm instead of a track pump 😀
The rubber rim strips make life a lot easier with non tubeless tyres on any rim.
GB
easier in terms of setup or easier in terms of use of the tire (burping etc)?
They won't be run at low pressures - high high for the mega!
It actually isn't that difficult to get the valve core back in afterr inflation
No - you just let they tyre go down, add your sealant and then pop it back in! No need to keep inflated as once it's gone up once the beads are in place and it will go up again easily the next time.
Easier to get the tyres to inflate.
GB
Tried 3x CO2 cartridges £6 - managed freeze-burned finger and that was about it
try flea bay, you can gat cartrideges from about 60p each. Would of saved you £4 anyway 🙂
aracer- that's never worked on my tubeless conversions (ghetto bmx tubes / 'proper' rim strips on standard tyres). I've never had the bead stay put immediately after the first inflation - I have had it stay put after a few weeks when the sealant has stuck it down though.
Update
- 29er on Salsa Delgado X rims still working out just fine with Maxxis Ardent 2.25s. Tried some pretty viscous side loads (bermy bits on GT Blue and a couple of mini roundabouts on way into work) without incident. Seems to work OK.
- Got some DT Swiss Rims set up with Stan's rims strips and Maxxis LUST tyres (Crossmark 2.25 LUST and High Roller 2.35 LUST) with no incident and a track pump.
- Resemblance to bukkake set - minimal.
Compressors are made of win.