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Wow, never expected to get so many peoples back up, didn't realise this has been gone over so many times. However, amazing how the ones that hate it so much cant keep away from it, eh TJ.
Isn't there a tandem forum, seriously, that picture isn't even that good, you need to stop showing it off!
Oh, and as for Crikey. Tisk tisk.
Yo bigG - indeed you win!
I'm with you brother...............TJ and the rest will bay on about individual choice until their last brain cell dies and they enter vegetative state induced by trauma. In the real world I work with people with brain injuries and I truly believe the refuseniks are already suffering from major cognitive impairment. No arguement. End of.
Errmm - both crikey and I also work / have worked with people with head injuries
Yes I know, and I do apologise for my unpleasant comment.
It's just such a poor subject for any kind of debate; there are some people who think helmets are essential and some people who don't, and the evidence for one or other view is not conclusive.
Given the lack of evidence one way or another, the assumption that not wearing a helmet is wrong or foolish is both wrong and foolish.
Hows about we call it a day on this subject.
Seems to have been gone over to many times already.
I have my opinion, as does everyone.
Signing off.
This forum's actually had intelligent and worthwhile helmet discussions, which always amazes me.
This is not going to be one of them.
OP, you better not visit the Netherlands then...Millions of cyclists, only a handfull wear helmets... 😮
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TJ, helmet deniers are like seatbelt refuseniks in the 70s (irrational and somewhat blind) and trying to produce research justifying this position reminds me of the 'research' produced by tobacco companies saying that smoking does no harm...........
and we're off!
its all about the personal choice! I personally wouldn't ride offroad without one. It's rocky round here, and i like to give it beans on the descents, I don't bother with a lid if i'm nipping to the shops or taking my son out round the park.... live and let live
It's a perfect example of Darwinism in action
Let them make their personal choice
[i]It's a perfect example of Darwinism in action[/i]
Except it isn't.
But you're right about the choice bit.
So why are helmet evangelists so offensive?
I am happy for people not to wear helmet... As long as they pay for their own NHS bills :p
yep weve had helmet discussion b4...you just get katty remarks back at you.... easy really : 1) wear a helmet it could save your life....
2) be a dummy-no helmet: trash yer head always a dummy. simples.
each to their own i guess..
in forests there are plenty of trees to damage your brain... 😥
on the roads..plenty of vehicles to smack your head against too ( you cant win).
" Wear a lid it could save your life ! 😉
So why are helmet evangelists so offensive?
so why are you so offended? 😉
elaine - but is there any evidence that is true?
.....'the truth is out there' ...go search for it 😉 
CTC thinks that it should be up to you to decide whether you want to wear a helmet or not, and is opposed to making it compulsory.
All hail CTC 8)
I can't believe people would do dangerous things like ride bikes fast down hills off road! Don't they know that they could fall off and be injured or even seriously killed!
People should stick to riding on canal towpaths, for their own safety! While wearing a helmet and lifejacket.
Interesting links above. Stats aren't much use when that one car refusing to abide by the statistical research, and pass me extra wide as i'm not wearing a helmet, smashes me into the pavement. In much the same way, if i'm mountain biking helmetless any research suggesting i'll be more alert and careful won't be of much use when the law of sod is applied. Each to their own, as long as my bonce is protected more if I fall.
*runs off to buy a life-jacket!*
but will it fit over my body armour?
Elaine - I suggest to you that I have - read the CTC links for some interesting info
Happy now
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Canal towpaths !!!! I visited Londinium Town once and rode over a pile of cardboard on a towpath resulting in a tramp/cycle interface impact moment and some choice cockney lingo was thrown my way !!!! luckily I was wearing a helmet as he swung for me as I sped off on my dandy horse.
Dicing with death. Note Gnarly trail with huge dropoffs and rock gardens
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riding sensibly and safely.
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nice ! 😉
I slipped over in the shower once, banged my head. Don't use the shower without a helmet kids...
whats a rotational injury ?
nice no hander tj 😉
what about working in a building site... should they stop wearing hats?
rotational injury:
your knees can be twisted so much that ligaments snap. this is a rotational injury, skis make them worse cos of the leverage.
your neck can be injured by rotation, wearing a helmet gives the input force a bigger lever with which to twist your neck.
what about working in a building site... should they stop wearing hats?
What's your point caller?
Are you serious qwerty?
Awiles - thats not it - its injury within the skull - diffuse axon injury
Some data on it here
http://www.phillipshelmets.com/ROTATIONAL_HEAD_INJURY.htm
How much this is applicable to cycle helmets is debatable but there is a lot of data on it showing that cycle helmets can increase rotational forces and indeed perform worse in this aspect than other types of helmets. It remains controversial. Follow the CTC links to find out more. More reseach needed but I believe this is one of the reasons for the finding that head injuries do not decrease as helmet wearing rates increase
its a question ive always wanted to ask TJ, and didnt see the point of starting a whole new thread.
i understand the research will be different etc, but opinion on this seems so strong i wondered if TJ and the other anti-helmets would extend this policy to other things in life that might involve taking a knock on the noggin? (not just sports)
Ah the thread that refuses to die.
TJ you must use cut and paste to prevent RSI.
Out of interest any research been done to see how well helmets skid across the ground? Last time I had an off on the road, cracked the left side of my helmet on the tarmac and it just skidded along, didn't seem to rotate my neck at all. (obviously anecdotal I know) Maybe I was just lucky.
TJ do you automatically get an email when the word 'helmet' appears on the forum?
FFS TJ, enough of the pics, not everyone loves that thing as much as u! I think your actually worried about helmet hair more than cracked skull, am I right!
OK, I can't resist. Regardless of what the research says, I have had too many offs that have resulted in landing on my head - and in some cases cracking helmets - that I'm not about to stop wearing them...
...unless they become hideously unfashionable 😆
If people don't want to wear a helmet, fair enough, arguing that there are no benefit's to wearing one is just acting a ****! behave you clowns
Just because someone doesn't think helmets should not be compulsory, either legally or just socially speaking, doesn't mean they are anti-helmet - more likely just pro-choice.
As for helmets on building sites - it might be a more telling question to consider an activity which does produce head injuries, but where helmets [i]aren't[/i] normally worn - like driving a car for example.
I don't think most people are saying that they have no benefit whatsoever - more like the benefits may well be misunderstood and exaggerated, especially when active safety effects such as riding more defensively are taken into account. The assumption that a helmet will do everything for you and keep you 100% safe is just as dumb as the claim that not wearing a helmet means certain death.
T666DOM
Yes - plenty. have a look on http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1182.html for discussion and links and I have found others in peer reviewed journals
philconsequence
Its all about two things to me. Evidence based practice and risk assessment. so the answer is " it depends"
Kobra - 🙂
How about this one then? Note wheels off the ground = helmets on heads
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Watch the crash real at the end of bike films.
MTB: Lots of dust (nothing's filmed int he UK :p )
BMX: Invariably a lot of blood, usualy from the head.
Which branch of the sport has a high rate of helmet wearing?
On holliday I was (lightly) ribbed for being the only guy in a full face, end of day one one of the other guys was offering 300euro (I think he was half joking) after trashing his Fox Flux and taking a chunk out of his upper lip.
Even if it only prevents 'minor' injuries like cuts and concussion I think its worthwhile.