Seems like these could fit the bill for my requirements and be a better option than Carbon Ti for road use which seems too noisy with 60 POE and 4 pawls at a lower price and only marginally higher weight.
They just switched from ratchet drive to a 3 pawl system for their road hubs to reduce noise. No preload to adjust and relatively reasonable £206 pound price.
Material: aluminum 7075
Axle type : 12x142mm thru-axle
Number of holes: 24 or 28 holes
Brake disc mount: Center Lock
Freewheel type: pawl freewheel with 3 pawls and 33 POE
bearing : 4x industrial deep groove ball bearings
maximum system weight: 120 kg (driver, bike, clothing and possibly luggage)
Color: black with gray decals
Weight according to the manufacturer: 201g
Newman are Cube bikes own brand components aren’t they?
Don't know, "German company Newmen are only a couple of years old, but Michael Grätz, the man behind the company, knows a thing or two about designing bike components. Michi previously started Liteville and Syntace, who have built an enviable reputation for precisely engineered bikes and reliable componentry. "
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Newman are Cube bikes own brand components aren’t they?
OEM deal with Cube, I think, not sure if they're more closely knit than that. Liteville/Syntace people set it up.
Have two sets of their MTB wheels, delighted with them. Only taken apart one hub, the older generation rear hub, just to convert to XD but was all very nice quality inside and easy to work on.
Google their mtb wheels as they've been reviewed a fair bit, all positive as far as I can recall. Pinkbike have definitely reviewed them. They do some clever/sensible stuff with rim shaping. I don't think they're anything to do with cube, possibly moved from one of the high end, niche manufacturers like Trickstuff but could be wrong.
Very happy with mine but since the ratchet is a big part of the advantage, I couldn't really judge other than to say they are at least as well put together as the 240s I had before.
Not a fan of the bearing preload... it works but is a bit of an unnecessary faff. They already removed that on MTB hubs so not surprised to see it gone on those as well.
Yeah they're not an OEM cube brand, the MTB wheels have generally very good reviews, they're not that well known over here. The MTB hubs are machined from alloy blocks in their German factory, like Hope.
It's in german but there's a good factory video tour here
Yeah only read positive reviews, maybe I should bug the germans on mtb-news.de.. Hope RS4 is the other option, but out of stock and heavier, I do however have the hope tools.
I like this Michael Grätz fella.
Odd question but why do you, or anyone else for that matter, want all these POE on a road hub?
I get the point on a trials bike, to a sensible point I get it on MTBs but surely the purpose is to reduce the lag when switching between power and free wheel. The down side is more smaller bits so a higher chance of failure, more sensitive to amounts of grease and contaminants.
On a road bike you don't need that near instant switch from hammer to freewheel back to hammer so you're only getting the down sides or am I missing something?
Odd question but why do you, or anyone else for that matter, want all these POE on a road hub?
Nice for when you want to do trials with your roadbike.
I agree - don't want or need super high POE - made that mistake getting a DT350 54T ratchet hub.
33 POE isn't THAT high though and should be ok, the Hope RS4 has 44 POE though so this one is a better choice in that dept.
33 POE isn’t THAT high though
Ah I'd picked up on the 60poe in the above bit.
As you were.
a bit surprised how a brand picked a name that sounds like a Chinese no-name brand and not something more German.. they could at least have called it Neumann ;p
But think I will go for it!
made that mistake getting a DT350 54T ratchet hub.
Really? You’ve never mentioned it?
Wanna buy it?
Odd question but why do you, or anyone else for that matter, want all these POE on a road hub?
Better for trackstanding at traffic lights
First ride up on pinkbike with wheels using fade hubs https://www.pinkbike.com/news/newmen-advanced-sl-a30-wheelset-first-ride-2020.html
And newmen explaining why pawls > ratchets <3
"There are various reasons for this decision. When developing our new hub we had three design targets in mind:
- further improved reliability
- less noise
- strong enough for e-bike use
Evaluating our options with in house lab testing of various prototypes and also competitor hubs we have come to the conclusion that a large designed pawl system is the only way to combine all of the above for us. for once star ratchet drivers are inherently noise and also we believe that a well designed pawl system is more reliable. With a star ratchet system it CAN happen that the ratchets don't fully engage and then when you only put down slight power the ratchets will be damaged. With a pawl system when only one pawl engages (you always have to expect that something CAN go wrong), if you dont have a peak force right at the time where not all pawls were engaging (very slim chance) nothing will be damaged. Especially after doing a lot of testing with e-bikes (yes we know not everyone likes them) we figure that the more reliable option is a large and well designed pawl system."
Translated from German
"
It is wrong to say that toothed-disk hubs are generally better.
I would like to go a little further… there is a Swiss company that has done a very good job in terms of marketing for many years and has instilled in people that hubs with toothed lock washers are the best variant of freewheeling. Due to the really good function and the reliability, the image in the minds of the bikers was created that toothed pulley freewheels are the ultimate.
Toothed pulley freewheels are not all equally good. I.e. there are sprocket freewheels that are no better - maybe even worse - than a good pawl freewheel.
I don't want to go much deeper into technology here.
The disadvantages of the toothed disk hubs in general: they are loud, they are not easy to master, they are susceptible to the use of wrong / too much grease and there are many patents which concern toothed disk hubs.
There will be more and more toothed disk hubs on the market in the future and I strongly suspect that with them the defect rate will skyrocket ... because even many manufacturers think that a toothed disk hub is the ultimate.
Why did we decide to switch from toothed lock washers to pawls ?!
It wasn't that we simply said we were changing, but we had a clear goal:
Our new hubs should be quieter, more fail-safe and so stable that they are also fully suitable for e-bikes.
And we were not able to reconcile all of these points in a toothed disc hub, but we could do so in a pawl hub.
Of course, we also asked ourselves how you (our customers) will react to the change.
In the end, we came to the conclusion that there is only one thing. Namely because the products are as light, durable, fail-safe, low-maintenance and affordable as possible. No matter what technology works inside.
On the subject of volume:
Our fade hubs are quieter because we very often received emails that read something like this:
Your hubs are really cool, but how can you get them quieter ?!
For everyone who thinks loud: That is not a real problem either. Pull off the freewheel, wipe off the grease and the hub is again relatively loud.
I can understand if the technology nerds get tears in your eyes with the disappearance of the pulleys, but a good ratchet hub is the better hub in our eyes.
You are welcome to ask questions here, I will answer them if I have time.
VG Michi"