[Closed] *new powdecoat*.....not happy with finish...am I fussy!?!

Hmm bit like mrs b's thighs that*

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*only joking dear 😉

I'd be more worried about the colour 😉 makes me feel queasy just looking at it.
seriously though doesn't look great and at that price well ...I'd be telling them to do a proper job .

Thats a poor finish if ever I saw one.

I'd be having a chat with them about doing it again TBH.

That's a shocking finish. Go and get your money back (plus some extra to have it chemically stripped) and go elsewhere.

for 75 quid per frame, it should be perfect. take it back.

We get a lot of stuff powdercoated at work - if anything came in like that, it would go straight back to the finishers.

very poor finish, i would demand it done again.

If your anywhere near i had my frame done by worcester powder coating for £60 and they did an excellent job!

Take it back it ,is gash. I cant believe they gave it to you like that tbh.

]euch! that's been painted with Hammerite fella get them to redo it

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I'd say that was spray dried - powdercoater is either inexperienced or was in a hurry and held the gun too far away (or flow too fast).

But I'm used to coating tablets and not 100% on how powdercoating is applied to be sure that's the answer here.

That's awful. If it were more consistent it could at least look like someone's crack at an interesting finish but it just looks diseased. And not that cheap either. And bad masking too. Not sure I'd trust them to redo it tbh, full refund and go somewhere that isn't s**t.

That looks shit, send it back

Stuey01 - Member
That looks shit, send it back

Nail. On. Head.

Oh, and name and shame so we know where [i] not[/i] to go... 😐

As for them masking the bearing surfaces, you've got to take some responsibility for that. I'd never drop off a frame to get painted without myself masking what i don't want them to paint.

The bits pictured are the worst, all else is better but still very orange peely..... I am just not good at taking stuff back. I am also worried asking them to do it again, as I guess it won't be much better. Masking was bad too 🙁

I am very sad at seeing my baby like that....

Colour is great though!

I am not sure how I could mask the frame if it still needs blasting?!?!? but yes I would be more than happy to mask it myself....

What would I use for masking, just normal masking tape? Or not, as it will go in an oven....

Not sure really. Would prefer to do the masking myself!

I am just not good at taking stuff back. I am also worried asking them to do it again

MTFU and take it back. you have the law (and, more importantly, STW) on your side

I am just a real wuss, and I don't trust them with my bike anymore... May have to ask husband to come with me...

I will build the g spot frame up, they did a ok job on that, apart from the masking. Any advice on removing powdercoat from bearing surfaces? Just use a craft knife and sand paper?

Cheers for advice so far, does not make me feel better though.

That is awful 😯 , you really need to be aware of how much material has been removed, if you have it reblasted you might go right through it.

I did quite a few resprays and had a great resprayer, we worked together on the plugging/masking and also on ther different shot used and best temperatures for baking the frames.

A lot of frames crack after they are powder coated, which is what I discovered through researching online, that is simply taking the piss.

Good luck sorting this shit out and I hope you're not too down!

anto164 - Member

As for them masking the bearing surfaces, you've got to take some responsibility for that.

No you don't. You're paying someone to do the job, you shouldn't have to do half of it yourself.

What you should do though is set out exactly what you want, make sure the coater understands the standard of work that's expected and the masking that's required. Still no guarantee of good work- Hendersons knew exactly how to do mine, they just screwed it up through laziness. But it puts the onus on them.

A lot of frames crack after they are powder coated, which is what I discovered through researching online, that is simply taking the piss.

Tell the truth Kaesae, I raised it a year or so ago and you (and many others) denied it for ages?

I am just a real wuss, and I don't trust them with my bike anymore... May have to ask husband to come with me...

make sure you familiarise youself with a little bit of consumer law but don't start quoting it to them unless they get arsey with you about asking them to put right what they messed up which I doubt they will as the owner certainly wants repeat custom even if the powder coater can't be assed to do his job properly.

Stuey01 - Member

That looks shit, send it back

That's very bad finish, dont be a push over and a wuss, just go back and tell them it's poor finish and you expect better, simple ask to do it again or ask for the money back.

In short words, It's shit.

Well unless you specced Artex?

What state was the frame in.

Just asking as that is what id imagine powder coated rust to look like!

That's a very very poor job.

Go in and be really cool about it. Tell them you aren't happy with the finish and can they sort it out please.

Most people are inherently sound, you shouldn't have a problem.

Cheers for all that guys. I am just not happy sending it back to them, as I now don't trust them.

I told them in great detail what I was after, mentioned the price of the frame and that I was after a great job (brought the frames in). I also made it very clear that the masking would be hard and I needed a good job done, and offered advice/help. I also took pictures of all the bits after it was stripped of bearing etc, and told them this, in case they needed them for reference. They charged me an extra tenner (75 instead of 65) for the extra masking involved...

They told me they had done bike frames before, incuding downhill frames...

Also, someone asked about the state of the frame beforehand. Its a 2006 hustler, some scrapes etc and fading on the original paint, nothing really bad. Only ever been ridden by girls! Just thought I'd treat it to a new coat while new bearing were fitted...

Really LOVE this bike, so still very upset! Even shouted at the kids (i know, should not take it out on them!).... bad day.

So....

Where do I stand legally, as I do not want to risk them redoing it (especially as someone mentioned cracks!)?

Theres a good chance the guy that actually owns the company hasn't seen that. He'll probably not be best pleased that his guys are churning out crap like this...... if he's not bothered about it then he's a mug.
Go see the boss specifically, not one of his organ grinders.

I would not accept that. Politely insist it is rectified.

I've seen finishes like that before, they're usually down to not cleaning the parts properly prior to painting. It needs to be degreased and then ideally pre-treated with iron phosphate or E-Clps. There's a risk that it will start to peel off, at which point you'll need to get it re-done anyway so you might as well chance it and tell them you're not happy and want it done properly.

We used a company called Windridge coatings a few years back to powder coat some industrial gates and the were very good, then I saw them on a stand at the cycle show with samples of bicycles they powder coat. You might try them possibly if you want to re-coat the frames again? Unless it was them!! Who was it BTW?

So....

Where do I stand legally, as I do not want to risk them redoing it (especially as someone mentioned cracks!)?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Consumerrights/Yourconsumerrightswhenbuyinggoodsandservices/DG_194653

Where do I stand legally, as I do not want to risk them redoing it (especially as someone mentioned cracks!)?

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you have to give them the opportunity to fix their mistake before you can do anything else legally.

I believe 18 bikes also use and recommend Windridge, or used to...

shame so cock ****ed it up, get ur money back mate

They've put way too much powder on that, & with a colour like that they really should have noticed it before baking. Absolute rubbish job. They should foot the bill for stripping & repainting.
As regards blasting, we're talking a very fine going over here, to simply give the paint a key. Alloy tubing tends to be thicker than steel so the chances of it getting too thin are slim. unless they have some numpty with a lot of pressure & a very heavy grit. If it were heavily butted top-end steel tubing it might be an issue.

The most effective way to mask up is large washers & bolts. But whatever you do make sure there are no threads protruding through the nuts as it will be hell to get apart. If you find the bolts poke through the nuts just use more washers so they sit sub flush.

The temp thing can be an issue, but unless your talking >250c its very unlikely to affect the frame. AFAIK alloy generally will start to re-aneal at about 300c, but some posh alloys can be a problem. I think Santa-Cruz were one. I've had plenty done & never known any issues.

I had this done last week...
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Its a crap pic though that doesnt do it justice. He put it on very thick but its come out perfect.
If your in Staffs I can send his details over.
I stripped it myself, & so he charged me £20.

The temp thing can be an issue, but unless your talking >250c its very unlikely to affect the frame. AFAIK alloy generally will start to re-aneal at about 300c, but some posh alloys can be a problem. I think Santa-Cruz were one. I've had plenty done & never known any issues.

Unfortunately this is incorrect. 130 degrees may be enough ruin your frame. It isn't to do with annealing. It is to do with over ageing.

The bottom line is you're not happy (and quite rightly so). Take it back in, nobody could defend a job as cowboy as that, if you feel more comfortable with a backup, then definitely get someone to go with you.

+1 asking for the gaffer. Straight to the top.

That looks shit. I have just had two (more) frames done at Bournes in Birmingham. £30 for mask, sandblast and coat....perfect finish and very used to doing frames. I cannot recommend them highly enough.

Takisawa, Can you fwd me the details of that coater, always looking for good ones around here.

Email is in my profile. Cheers.

moniex - Member

They charged me an extra tenner (75 instead of 65) for the extra masking involved...

Makes you wonder what they'd have done for £65. Thrown a bit of masking tape at it from the other side of hte room probably.

Takisawa2- wouldn't happen to be an alloy wheel refurbishing place in Fenton would it? They do top work very cheaply

and they use a soft media blast so doesn't damage alloy frames

that's really bad - i've had frames done for £40 each all in before which came back as good as new (except for the dings... 😳 )