[Closed] *new powdecoat*.....not happy with finish...am I fussy!?!

Hmm bit like mrs b's thighs that*

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*only joking dear 😉

I'd be more worried about the colour 😉 makes me feel queasy just looking at it.
seriously though doesn't look great and at that price well ...I'd be telling them to do a proper job .

Thats a poor finish if ever I saw one.

I'd be having a chat with them about doing it again TBH.

That's a shocking finish. Go and get your money back (plus some extra to have it chemically stripped) and go elsewhere.

for 75 quid per frame, it should be perfect. take it back.

We get a lot of stuff powdercoated at work - if anything came in like that, it would go straight back to the finishers.

very poor finish, i would demand it done again.

If your anywhere near i had my frame done by worcester powder coating for £60 and they did an excellent job!

Take it back it ,is gash. I cant believe they gave it to you like that tbh.

]euch! that's been painted with Hammerite fella get them to redo it

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I'd say that was spray dried - powdercoater is either inexperienced or was in a hurry and held the gun too far away (or flow too fast).

But I'm used to coating tablets and not 100% on how powdercoating is applied to be sure that's the answer here.

That's awful. If it were more consistent it could at least look like someone's crack at an interesting finish but it just looks diseased. And not that cheap either. And bad masking too. Not sure I'd trust them to redo it tbh, full refund and go somewhere that isn't s**t.

That looks shit, send it back

Stuey01 - Member
That looks shit, send it back

Nail. On. Head.

Oh, and name and shame so we know where [i] not[/i] to go... 😐

As for them masking the bearing surfaces, you've got to take some responsibility for that. I'd never drop off a frame to get painted without myself masking what i don't want them to paint.

The bits pictured are the worst, all else is better but still very orange peely..... I am just not good at taking stuff back. I am also worried asking them to do it again, as I guess it won't be much better. Masking was bad too 🙁

I am very sad at seeing my baby like that....

Colour is great though!

I am not sure how I could mask the frame if it still needs blasting?!?!? but yes I would be more than happy to mask it myself....

What would I use for masking, just normal masking tape? Or not, as it will go in an oven....

Not sure really. Would prefer to do the masking myself!

I am just not good at taking stuff back. I am also worried asking them to do it again

MTFU and take it back. you have the law (and, more importantly, STW) on your side

I am just a real wuss, and I don't trust them with my bike anymore... May have to ask husband to come with me...

I will build the g spot frame up, they did a ok job on that, apart from the masking. Any advice on removing powdercoat from bearing surfaces? Just use a craft knife and sand paper?

Cheers for advice so far, does not make me feel better though.

That is awful 😯 , you really need to be aware of how much material has been removed, if you have it reblasted you might go right through it.

I did quite a few resprays and had a great resprayer, we worked together on the plugging/masking and also on ther different shot used and best temperatures for baking the frames.

A lot of frames crack after they are powder coated, which is what I discovered through researching online, that is simply taking the piss.

Good luck sorting this shit out and I hope you're not too down!

anto164 - Member

As for them masking the bearing surfaces, you've got to take some responsibility for that.

No you don't. You're paying someone to do the job, you shouldn't have to do half of it yourself.

What you should do though is set out exactly what you want, make sure the coater understands the standard of work that's expected and the masking that's required. Still no guarantee of good work- Hendersons knew exactly how to do mine, they just screwed it up through laziness. But it puts the onus on them.

A lot of frames crack after they are powder coated, which is what I discovered through researching online, that is simply taking the piss.

Tell the truth Kaesae, I raised it a year or so ago and you (and many others) denied it for ages?

I am just a real wuss, and I don't trust them with my bike anymore... May have to ask husband to come with me...

make sure you familiarise youself with a little bit of consumer law but don't start quoting it to them unless they get arsey with you about asking them to put right what they messed up which I doubt they will as the owner certainly wants repeat custom even if the powder coater can't be assed to do his job properly.

Stuey01 - Member

That looks shit, send it back

That's very bad finish, dont be a push over and a wuss, just go back and tell them it's poor finish and you expect better, simple ask to do it again or ask for the money back.

In short words, It's shit.

Well unless you specced Artex?

What state was the frame in.

Just asking as that is what id imagine powder coated rust to look like!

That's a very very poor job.

Go in and be really cool about it. Tell them you aren't happy with the finish and can they sort it out please.

Most people are inherently sound, you shouldn't have a problem.

Cheers for all that guys. I am just not happy sending it back to them, as I now don't trust them.

I told them in great detail what I was after, mentioned the price of the frame and that I was after a great job (brought the frames in). I also made it very clear that the masking would be hard and I needed a good job done, and offered advice/help. I also took pictures of all the bits after it was stripped of bearing etc, and told them this, in case they needed them for reference. They charged me an extra tenner (75 instead of 65) for the extra masking involved...

They told me they had done bike frames before, incuding downhill frames...

Also, someone asked about the state of the frame beforehand. Its a 2006 hustler, some scrapes etc and fading on the original paint, nothing really bad. Only ever been ridden by girls! Just thought I'd treat it to a new coat while new bearing were fitted...

Really LOVE this bike, so still very upset! Even shouted at the kids (i know, should not take it out on them!).... bad day.

So....

Where do I stand legally, as I do not want to risk them redoing it (especially as someone mentioned cracks!)?

Theres a good chance the guy that actually owns the company hasn't seen that. He'll probably not be best pleased that his guys are churning out crap like this...... if he's not bothered about it then he's a mug.
Go see the boss specifically, not one of his organ grinders.

I would not accept that. Politely insist it is rectified.

I've seen finishes like that before, they're usually down to not cleaning the parts properly prior to painting. It needs to be degreased and then ideally pre-treated with iron phosphate or E-Clps. There's a risk that it will start to peel off, at which point you'll need to get it re-done anyway so you might as well chance it and tell them you're not happy and want it done properly.

We used a company called Windridge coatings a few years back to powder coat some industrial gates and the were very good, then I saw them on a stand at the cycle show with samples of bicycles they powder coat. You might try them possibly if you want to re-coat the frames again? Unless it was them!! Who was it BTW?

So....

Where do I stand legally, as I do not want to risk them redoing it (especially as someone mentioned cracks!)?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Consumerrights/Yourconsumerrightswhenbuyinggoodsandservices/DG_194653

Where do I stand legally, as I do not want to risk them redoing it (especially as someone mentioned cracks!)?

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you have to give them the opportunity to fix their mistake before you can do anything else legally.

I believe 18 bikes also use and recommend Windridge, or used to...

shame so cock ****ed it up, get ur money back mate

They've put way too much powder on that, & with a colour like that they really should have noticed it before baking. Absolute rubbish job. They should foot the bill for stripping & repainting.
As regards blasting, we're talking a very fine going over here, to simply give the paint a key. Alloy tubing tends to be thicker than steel so the chances of it getting too thin are slim. unless they have some numpty with a lot of pressure & a very heavy grit. If it were heavily butted top-end steel tubing it might be an issue.

The most effective way to mask up is large washers & bolts. But whatever you do make sure there are no threads protruding through the nuts as it will be hell to get apart. If you find the bolts poke through the nuts just use more washers so they sit sub flush.

The temp thing can be an issue, but unless your talking >250c its very unlikely to affect the frame. AFAIK alloy generally will start to re-aneal at about 300c, but some posh alloys can be a problem. I think Santa-Cruz were one. I've had plenty done & never known any issues.

I had this done last week...
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Its a crap pic though that doesnt do it justice. He put it on very thick but its come out perfect.
If your in Staffs I can send his details over.
I stripped it myself, & so he charged me £20.

The temp thing can be an issue, but unless your talking >250c its very unlikely to affect the frame. AFAIK alloy generally will start to re-aneal at about 300c, but some posh alloys can be a problem. I think Santa-Cruz were one. I've had plenty done & never known any issues.

Unfortunately this is incorrect. 130 degrees may be enough ruin your frame. It isn't to do with annealing. It is to do with over ageing.

The bottom line is you're not happy (and quite rightly so). Take it back in, nobody could defend a job as cowboy as that, if you feel more comfortable with a backup, then definitely get someone to go with you.

+1 asking for the gaffer. Straight to the top.

That looks shit. I have just had two (more) frames done at Bournes in Birmingham. £30 for mask, sandblast and coat....perfect finish and very used to doing frames. I cannot recommend them highly enough.

Takisawa, Can you fwd me the details of that coater, always looking for good ones around here.

Email is in my profile. Cheers.

moniex - Member

They charged me an extra tenner (75 instead of 65) for the extra masking involved...

Makes you wonder what they'd have done for £65. Thrown a bit of masking tape at it from the other side of hte room probably.

Takisawa2- wouldn't happen to be an alloy wheel refurbishing place in Fenton would it? They do top work very cheaply

and they use a soft media blast so doesn't damage alloy frames

that's really bad - i've had frames done for £40 each all in before which came back as good as new (except for the dings... 😳 )

That frame has been painted hot and the painter has put too much powder on it.
He will have definatley seen it and is trying it on.
Any half decent company would put that right, I would take it back.
You have payed top money (if it's an industrial paint co) and would expect a top job.
BTW ex powder coater here 😆

That's shite.

Had a hardtail powder coated for £40 and it was immaculate.
I would hope they admit it's a poor job and repaint it.

from what a couple refinishers told me recently they turn the pressure down to blast alloy (some places may use a different blast media though), without adding fuel to the fire I'd be pretty worried if it was the same bandit that blasted it as coated.

tazzy, no, its a chap in Burton called CJ Ward.

is that burton on trent?

This thread has made me a little uneasy as my frame is currently off being powdercoated 😕

I would reccomend topmarques in fenton as they have done top work for a few of the chaps I ride with.very good prices as well, which always helps

In reading theres a place on Cardiff Road that does a good job, mlots of motorcycle frames and alloy wheels for private customers as well as the usual stuff for business customers. Cost £50 as I nitromorsed 90% of the frme myself.

I wouldn't recomed the place in Sheffield behind the incinerator, they seem to do big things like crowd fencing etc and the quality of the finishing shows, not as bad as that, but then it was only £20. Fine for a commuter, but I did feel a little robbed.

£35 for frame and fork down here.....thats including shotblasting!!
1st class job too! Less for just a frame

I have decided to find a new place to have it re-done and this rubbish stripped again. I would prefer to have the RAL 4010 pink (I am a grirl), but may consider a different colour.

I won't be able to mark the bearing surfaces and threads myself as this chap filled some with paint, so it will have to be done after stripping. I can supply pricures and detailed descripetion of what not to coat.

Any recommendations?

After my experience, I may also consider wet paint, but would prefer a nice powdercoat.

Thanks
Simone

Get it off to Argos racing cycles, they'll sort it out properly
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Looks like some decent (and cheaper recomendations) here too

I have had several done by these guys...

http://trestanfinishers.com/

For £35 inc blasting - and a superb job each time! The last one I took back they stripped with chemicals, as they said they had blasted it the time before, and didn't like blasting more than once!!

ps. yes I like changing the colour a bit too much 😳

Try these guys really good at what they do
http://www.triple-s.co.uk/

toys19 - Member

Tell the truth Kaesae, I raised it a year or so ago and you (and many others) denied it for ages?

toys19 simply put, because erectile disfunction is very hard to sort out, you may or may not have been able to raise it a year ago, but unless you can raise it now and on a regular basis, I (and many others) will still refuse to believe you have a shag in you 😉

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Kaesae you really are an idiot 🙄

I'll second Triple S. Excellent job on my road frame.

Never had a bad one

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Very astute thesouthernfairy, well done on noticing that 💡

Does the frame have the same effect over it's entire surface or just in centain spots. It could be that they have used far too heavy shot to strip the frame, or it might be a terrible spray job.

I think that doing that to your frame is well out of order and no one wants a nightmare like that to deal with.

Hopefully you will get it sorted and the frame will be fine.

Looks like it's been toooo long in the bath 😉

That is a rubbish job. Return it. I had my Cove Stiffee resprayed under warranty by Argos as the original paint flaked. I got them to lacquer in the decals whilst it was there. A greasy hand in the lacquering stage ruined that finsh, so Argos took it back, no question and the finish is only just breaking nearly 10 years later. Fair wear and tear I reckon for a paint finish.

As for that powdercoat, not even any of our forestry or agri' kit has a finish that bad.

Cheers for all the replies. They offered to try and sort it (sand by hand and apply another layer?!?), but I am going somewhere else for a full strip (chemical) and recoat. Just have to wait and see what it's like when stripped, fingers crossed it is just a rubbish coat and they have not killed my beloved frame... I will send in my husband to get the pennies back.

anyone have any experience with armourtexltd?

Thanks
Simone

I had my Intense Socom done by Armourtex. They masked off the head tube, BB, ISCG face plate and all the bearing mounts no worries.

Finish was great when it came back. Also - if you're not sure about colour, they have a series of metal pipe offcuts sprayed in various different colours so you can pick one based on how it'll look when it's done.

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Tracey - Member
Never had a bad one

Gonna have to disagree with you there 😉

I've had a few frames powder coated and had mostly good results except one time it didn't go so well.

I had one of the first Giant Reigns and I had it powder coated in a lovely antique bronze finish, however after building it up, over a course of a few weeks the frame got slacker and slacker and it was slowly bending.

After speaking to the company who had done it (cheap and cash in hand), it turned out he had recently bought an oven that he puts items in overnight before shot blasting to soften the old paint and reduce time shot blasting.

We both agreed as the frame had 'hydroformed' tubing it was likely that the extra heat (not the powder coating curing heat) of the oven had caused the problems.

If I now use him again, I insist that they don't go into the oven over night and if the old paint comes off easily he'll just shot blast it or I strip it myself.