[Closed] New Nomad!

Old skool.

So glad it looks completely different to everything else in the range!

Oh, wait...

*prays for no tanwall tyres*

It looks like an ebike that's had its battery pinched.

Colour is rave-tastic though.

How much????!!!! / Bargain!

27.5 only, oxblood red or kermit green/ pink is what I had heard. Does anyone want 27.5 any more? will the weight be reasonable? not quite sure of the point of a long travel, heavyish 27.5 bike?

not quite sure of the point of a long travel, heavyish 27.5 bike?

sounds like the perfect bike for most bike parks and other downhill trails if your focus is on fun rather than just going flat out. Would probably be improved with 26" wheels though

Can barely tell SC models apart since they went to lower link VPP.

So this must leave the Blur next in line for an update? More interested in that.

Pics and geo were leaked on the vital MTB forum a few days ago.

Yes , I was aware of that. But this is Singletrack. Home of bimbling,  gravel bikes and pork pies. Not that American debauched shred sight.

not quite sure of the point of a long travel, heavyish 27.5 bike?

Not everyone wants a long travel heavyish 29er?

In all seriousness, a mega long big wheeled gnar sled that rumbles over everything is not the right bike for everyone. Shorter reach and slightly smaller wheels just work for some people better.

i tihnk the red looks good . it's all about fox 38's now isnt it.

I've never owned a 29er but even I'm starting to think bikes like this look a little weird on the smaller size.

Very nice as a big mountain/park bike.
Probably very much a one (or 2) trick pony in that regard.

It hasnt changed much though, I guess nobody was wanting to buy the old version as "its about to become obsolete" so they feel obliged to release the new models and "colourways"

Green is stunning, not sure about the cab sauv though!.

I'd love a shot to see how well it desecnds, but I'll never buy one, as it ain't got a motor, but it's up there with motor money.

But why would they bother with a flip chip that only gives 0.3deg adjustment on the head angle?

Who knows, I suppose the only way to find out what difference it makes in real terms is to ride it.

But why would they bother with a flip chip that only gives 0.3deg adjustment on the head angle?

Makes it infinitely better than its predecessor.

Lolz on the ‘ebike with its battery pinched’ comment.

i like the look of it. no radical changes from the V4, but wasn't expecting many to be honest, more just tweeks and refinements as the V4 was the first of their non DH bikes with the lower linkage driven suspension . looks neater with the upper linkage moving towards the seat tube and i guess the back end will be a little stiffer with having the rear triangle brace on the drive side as well now. shock tunnel looks like its been changed, but still tight to fit some shocks in which is a shame. i think it'll sell well. if rumours are to be believed they're stopping making the bronson which i find surprising as if you want a 27.5 bike they'll be a bit of gap in the line up between the the 130mm 5010 and the 170mm nomad though

I’m trying to workout why it’s so much heavier than the v4.

I’m trying to workout why it’s so much heavier than the v4.

have you found a frame weight or are you looking at the full builds?

Zeb/38 and Exoplus tyres might give another pound.

Plus the trend of using a cheap cassette while still claiming it to be an XX1 or XT - on the previous version it was either 11 speed or the dawn of 12 speed when the lighter top end stuff was all you could get.

That's not a bad weight at all, but maybe it's not as light as some might expect considering the price tag.

I just don't think money buys you light weight at the top end the way it used to, what with wheels & tyres getting bigger and heavier and forks swelling in size.

The weight difference from the SLX version will just be a few hundred grams in the groupset and finishing kit.

But why would they bother with a flip chip that only gives 0.3deg adjustment on the head angle?

Ticks the box that it needs to have geometry adjustment.

They'll sell loads of them and you'll see them plodding around Degla/Cannock/Surrey/FOD.

The Bronson is the true do it all bike in their range. Build kit is going to be pretty similar to a 5010, so why would you give up 10mm in travel with little weight penalty?

Surprised that there was no Hybrid/Mullet/MX wheel version, given that the V10, Bullit and Heckler both have the option, given that there has been a big interest in this area.

Least its got varying chainstay lengths across the different sizes, assuming its the same swingarm and its the front triangle thats changing. Surprised they didn't go down the Megatower route and have a flip chip (unless that was a late design change and not from the outset).

Surprised that there was no Hybrid/Mullet/MX wheel version

Yep, that might have been more interesting.

Have they snookered themselves keeping their most-iconic bike 27in, now that 29ers are selling much better?

Similar to Orange with the Five and Cotic with the Soul, IYKWIM. None of them were essentially 650b-ers anyway, they all came from 26in.

Have they snookered themselves keeping their most-iconic bike 27in, now that 29ers are selling much better?

Is it an iconic bike or an iconic name? A 29er version of this is essentially a Megatower. I've not been around long enough to remember the mk1 nomad, but I remember the (alleged) class leading/defining MK1 bronson and tallboy.

I'd also argue that the V10 is their most iconic bike, in part because of the Syndicate DH team / and relative disinterest in enduro or XC racing.

Is it an iconic bike or an iconic name? A 29er version of this is essentially a Megatower.

Yes, that's what I meant.

I’d also argue that the V10 is their most iconic bike

Probably, yeah - but then nobody actually buys those.

It's a meh from me, I kinda see why you'd want a long travel 27.5 bike, but really most will go 29 surely? I'm intrigued to see what they do with the Blur, but I do find Santa Cruz as a whole just so dull now. There's so many of the things about, they look the same and they cost more than some other higher-end brands. They used to be cool back in the days of the Blur 4X, now they're just a status symbol for the Audi estate/ Transporter brigade...

I’d also argue that the V10 is their most iconic bike

Chameleon for me.

SC have no draw to me anymore, having 6 models that look the same doesn’t help. I still love my V1 5010, but I can’t see me buying any of the current crop. They seem to be following the Porsche 911 school of design progression.

They all look the same as it’s a platform which is versatile and works really well.  No different to many other manufacturers with a well refined frame layout (Trek, Orange, Mondraker, Cotic etc). Why make every model different when the design works?

Maybe biased as I ride a v3 Bronson, but I can honestly say that it’s a fantastic bike, the best and most versatile I have owned. Quality is top notch, I’m confident that customer service will see me right in case of any problems, the resale should be good.  And frame only plus some savvy second hand shopping has me on a decent spec bike for much less than an equivalent list price bike.

SC have no draw to me anymore, having 6 models that look the same doesn’t help. I still love my V1 5010, but I can’t see me buying any of the current crop. They seem to be following the Porsche 911 school of design progression.

Aye, substitute in my Bronson for your 5010, and that could have been me typing that. I've absolutely loved it, it's the longest I've ever kept a bike and genuinely haven't been tempted to part with it in 4 years now, nothing I've seen or tried is an improvement on it.

Mortgage is paid off in a year, it's looking like a Trek Rail may be it's replacement, a lot can happen in a year though.

I guess it’s because my bike buys tend to be quite impulsive (I’ve often said I’m a marketing depts wet dream) so things like value, CS/warranty and all the practical parts of ownership don’t really influence my decision.

Does it make me go ‘corr!’ Tends to be the only decision that matters. Some times it’s visual (fatbikes) sometimes it’s speed (roadbikes), mostly it’s performance, (ebikes, HPP, the 5010). I just can’t get excited about something that looks like everything else.

It’s served me pretty well over the years.

After walking around Stiff at weekend (oh err missus) Looking at the Hightower 5010 and Meg in all the pastel colour glory,and even the new Bullit in the bronze .. really nice.

They go and bring out a snot green and pink its like they furloughed the production staff at the wrong time and let someone read brain hemorrhage weekly ..eww!

Looks like despite the 3 degree steeper effective seat tube angle, the actual angle is much slacker than the old Nomad. Old and new cross over at roughly stem height so anything above that is slacker. Would be good if Santa Cruz could provide the saddle heights used to get the effective angles.

I guess it’s because my bike buys tend to be quite impulsive (I’ve often said I’m a marketing depts wet dream) so things like value, CS/warranty and all the practical parts of ownership don’t really influence my decision.

Does it make me go ‘corr!’ Tends to be the only decision that matters. Some times it’s visual (fatbikes) sometimes it’s speed (roadbikes), mostly it’s performance, (ebikes, HPP, the 5010). I just can’t get excited about something that looks like everything else.

Colours aside I really like the SC design aesthetic - a solid block coloured from triangle, and a solid looking solid colour rear triagle (with some black coloured magical vpp links hidden away) gives some visual simplicity that I really apreciate.

This I can believe.

Looks like despite the 3 degree steeper effective seat tube angle, the actual angle is much slacker than the old Nomad. Old and new cross over at roughly stem height so anything above that is slacker. Would be good if Santa Cruz could provide the saddle heights used to get the effective angles.