[Closed] New Cotic Flare?

I was told August, but now its being suggested that there might be a new Flare on the end of november/december demo rides.

The seat tube angle is the only real criticism that keeps coming up so I imagine / hope that will be changed fairly soon.

I think the new RocketMax is at least a couple of degrees steeper so I imagine the new Flare will be the same.

Is the new Flare likely to be capable of handling 150mm forks?

I was told 140 max when I asked a couple of questions recently (was buying components for my BFe with a view to put them on a Flare at some point when it's released).

Is the new Flare likely to be capable of handling 150mm forks?

Wouldn't you be better off with a Rocket if that's a requirement?

amedias

Wouldn’t you be better off with a Rocket if that’s a requirement?

I'd guess not as not everybody wants a 170/160mm bike. A 150/120mm bike is plenty and more efficient. I was also told that 140mm would probably be max.

As for the original question, I was told they were hoping to have it ready before Christmas. They've had a bit of a delay due to the unforeseen circumstances.

I had a reply to an email last week saying that final tweaks were being made over the next few weeks and that they were aiming to have intial frames available before Christmas.

A 150/120mm bike is plenty and more efficient

So is 140/120, hence the cutoff I suppose, once you're starting to look at 150mm forks with a view to *using* that travel I think you're really into the realms of wanting/needing the burlier bike. Otherwise it's just trying to slacken out the lighter bike by putting long forks on it.

I totally get why you might want a 150/120mm setup (my BTR is setup that way) but what I'm getting at is that the use case for that kind of combo is probably verging on overstepping the intended use for a Flare and into Rocket territory.

Mind you, there is a subsidiary benefit in running a longer fork on the shorter bike, by raising the BB a few millimetres.  As far as I can tell, all of the longshot/Max offerings are a bit on the low side for using on big mountains that have rocks on them.  I get far too many pedal strikes for comfort on my Solaris Max on Highland trails; it's fine in the steep woods and on regular trails or trail centres but once you get out into the mountains on bouldery, washed out natural trails even the 165mm cranks fitted are a pain.  I know that this low slung geo is what the market wants (or thinks it wants) but like 1x drivetrain, it does introduce an extra compromise into the equation for some of us.

I'd be happier to see the bikes raised up a bit and I know I'm swimming against the flow...

Wouldn’t you be better off with a Rocket if that’s a requirement?

My idea is to use the kit off a Spectral which has 150 Yaris.  Not convinced I need the travel of the Rocket as per amedias' thoughts and less weight would be good too.  I can just get a shorter air shaft - which would give me the option to go Debonair, which has been great on my other bike's Pikes.

Getting closer to Christmas, anyone heard any more news on this?

I gave up waiting and bought something else instead 🙁

Same as ST really. Had an email from Paul: 'We just have a few more details to iron out on the Flare and it should be ready in a few weeks.'

Yeah, they seem to be taking their time alright, been waiting since September 2017 to buy a Flare! But hey ho, since I did without a FS last spring/summer I'm not too fussed, as long as they have it out before next Spring/Summer otherwise it'll probably be a Transition Scout for me.

Whilst they may well max the flare at 140 forks officially no one is going to stop you putting 150's in it. In reality I would suspect you would be unlucky if it caused any harm to the bike as I suspect 99% of us, me included, wouldnt put enough force through the fork and into the frame whatever fork was in it to get close to the design limits.

Especially if you consider the different axle to crown measurements between brands of forks of the same travel, and how much sag people choose to run.

I get far too many pedal strikes for comfort on my Solaris Max on Highland trails

I realise you posted this a month ago, but just wondering are you running 29in or B-plus?
And is it the current frame?

Still no news :S

Anyone heard anything?

About 3 weeks back I emailed asking about it and was told it was being redone with the LS make up - no timings were given. I hadn't realised this thread was here, so I'm assuming they are still working on it (which is handy as I've decided to have a proper play with the suspension on my current bike and it is starting to ride far better than it did and I'm back into completely loving it so unlikely to buy a new bike any time soon!).

I’d be interested to know what the relative sales figures are for the Rocket and RocketMax. Maybe they are not seeing much demand in the smaller wheel size, so are in no great rush to release the flare.

Quite glad they haven't released it yet, otherwise I'd be very tempted to go with the Soul and I think the Rocket might be too much bike for most of the riding I do.

My idea is to use the kit off a Spectral which has 150 Yaris.

You can change the air shaft in the Yaris for about £30 and make it almost any length you like. I used to have a set of Yaris at 120. The procedure is exactly as for the Pike.

I’m surprised it’s not out yet. When I spoke to Sam on a demo it didn’t sound too far off.

Definitely glad I went for something else now.

Still no news? Perhaps being built in the UK Rocket Max style and can't cope with demand? Loving my Soul so would be interested to try a LS Flare

Hang tight fellas...

You can't just leave it at that if you know more!!!!

Well my rocketmax is due towards end of March so maybe something will pop up then if they are Uk made? Speculation of course!

Still no news? Not even a snippet of info?

I'm booked in to demo a FlareMAX this weekend.

Will see if they give anything away.

Is this thread specifically Flare rather than FlareMAX?

FlareMax has been out for a while with Longshot geo, the normal Flare is the only model not to receive a re-make yet. Considering the success of the other models (and going from what others have said) it is coming, but a definite case of when! There's a few things with the FlareMax that make it a bit hesitant about it geo wise, which seem to have been resolved to an extent on the RocketMax, but that is way too much bike for me! A Flare with similar geometry to the MK5 Soul and a steeper seat tube and a smidge shorter back end is what I'm intrigued by!

Have you ridden the longshot FlareMax @lawman91 ? On paper I'd have said that I'd prefer a steeper SA and shorter stays. Out on the trail it just feels so well balanced that I'd be reluctant to tinker with it. But that may just be a sign that I'm weirdly proportioned 🙂

@roverpig not just you, mines working brilliantly as well.

Any reason that cotic give you frame weights for the hardtails but only bike weights for the full suspensions?

Is that because the full suspension frames are quite portly?

It’s out!

Very nice it looks too. Love the green. It even has the steep SA that everyone seems to think is required these days, so it should sell well.

SA still isn't that steep though, was hoping for shorter CS too. Ironically the geometry of the medium is very similar to my large T130, barring the longer CS and slightly steeper CS the numbers are within a few mm of each other. Will have to get a ride on one and see how it goes!

Personally I prefer a longer CS and higher BB to the short CS lower BB option. It's every bit as "playful" but with fewer pedal strikes over rough ground and better climbing traction. Doesn't rail corners on man-made stuff as well though, but everything is a trade-off.

Effective SA is a minefield, especially as it seems to be measured at stack height by convention, which is irrelevant. Who cares as long as it rides well though.

So - if you had a soul, & were looking for an FS, would you go flare or rocket?

To replace or as well as? Flare to replace, Rocket as well as.

So – if you had a soul, & were looking for an FS, would you go flare or rocket?

Ha, my dilemma as well. Cy suggested rocket cos it's different enough from the Soul. Main problem is justifying a FS at all as the Soul is so flipping capable

What kayla1 said.

Looks good, funny how the geometry seems fairly conservative when two years ago it would be LLS. I'd drop the large and get an xs instead but guess they know the market. £200 extra ish for uk made front triangle seems reasonable. I think the not that steep sa will cost sales but I'm not sure it should. I moved my seat right forward on the rails past the max marks on my flaremax and think it feels worse on everything but super steep stuff. Wonder if cotic would sell you one with the fork wound down and a 29 front wheel.