[Closed] My enduro bike is a porker

That's my point, a better/lighter spec on a size down and your still hitting 32/33. The OP ain't going to shift much without a lot of expense and the lowest weight isn't far off . I doubt I can shift much off my commencal without spending serious cash and then it's not going very far below 14kg.

ah, right I see what you mean, yep you're right.

your forks are pretty heavy, could save 400g going to a pike but TBH its not really worth it. most I could save on mine would be about a lb going to a carbon bar and carbon cranks but its not worth the cash and I like my bars.

That Airdrop would look a lot cleaner without the rim decals

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has saints and Minions tyres now

The bikes are never going to be lightweight xc whippets so as long as you can get it up hill and you're having fun going down who cares?

I'm too scared to weigh my process 153!

My Process 134DL is 14.1kg / 31 lbs which doesn't seem too bad! 🙂

(Stock apart from tubeless conversion and Nukeproof Electron pedals - have put a 203mm rotor on the front since. Tyres are ~850g each)

The clue is in the title I think. Enduro bike/weapon.

If it was a trail bike, or indeed used as a trail bike, that is a different matter.

Enduro Bike? One for doing 40-60km days with 2-3000m of climbing in a day?

34lb is pretty heavy.

But if its a heavy frame then theres not much you can do. What is the manufacturers quoted weight for the frame?

A heavy frame is putting me off swapping my orbea rallon to a nicolai geometron. Orbea frame weighs 3600g with shock,headset,axle and seat clamp, g16 frame weighs 3500g without shock. I dont fancy gaining half a kilo.

Maybe i shouldnt care though...

The V1 Airdrop frame is pretty heavy I used to have one too, I think the frame as standard with the monarch plus shock weighs in around 8lbs.

My full build was around the 32lb mark. That was mainly an XT build with Arch MK3 wheels, Maxxis tyres and a Rockshox Yari. It weighed a wee bit less when I had an xfusion sweep fork on it but felt better with the Yari. Only time I really felt the weight was on hike a bikes.

The xfusion metric fork is quite heavy, if you switched to a Pike you would lose a pound in weight but is it worth it if you like how the Metric feels.

My (26") Five and (carbon) fatbike both come in at 31 lb (size large, with dropper, pedals etc). Previous (steel) fatbike was 35 lb and I did find the weight annoying, but only when lifting it (onto car, over fences or just hike-a-bike) to be honest. Riding along (up or down) I wouldn't say the weight made any noticeable difference.

If the frame really is 8lb then thats not overly weighty, its just a combination of other bits.

The saint brakes and 200mm rotors will be a fair chunk. As will the dropper .

If the rims are the mark 1 or 2 flows they arent the lightest, the new v3 flows are pretty good.

Drivetrain is heavy.

Forks are heavy.

Etc etc.

I think youll be spending a lot to get it much lower, but it should be possible without compromising performance. Prob not worth the money though, youll be way into diminishing returns.

My orbea rallon is 31lb, with the following spec

Lyrik 170mm fork
Bos kirk shock
Hope e4 brakes
200mm icetech rotor
180mm icetech rotor
Flow mk3 rear rim
Super star carbon am front rim
Xtr 9020 cranks
Sram x01 1195 cassette
Xtr 9000 mech and shifter
Renthal fatbar lite bars
Reverb 125mm dropper
Charge spoon saddle.
Raceface atlas pedals
Spesh butcher control 2.3 tyre
Spech slaughter grid 2.3 tyre

I've just built a Banshee Prime with a lyric and gx eagle. Built for the kind of riding the Prime is designed for, it comes in at 32.5lbs.

Given that it's better for its intended use than its ancestor, a turner Sultan built beefy, that weighed 1lb less, I'm satisfied that it's weight is reasonable.

For those that say gx eagle is heavy, it's lighter that the current XT, but heavier than every other eagle group set.

This is making me feel quite good, my 6 inch travel, 29er, geometron, weighs in at 31.5lb with no particular effort to make it light.
I like the Jared Graves theory, you build up the bike how it needs to be, and it weighs what it weighs.

I like the Jared Graves theory, you build up the bike how it needs to be, and it weighs what it weighs.

Exactly!

That's basically my approach to building bikes.

I like the Jared Graves theory, you build up the bike how it needs to be, and it weighs what it weighs.

aye, makes sense. The bike I had before the Airdrop was a carbon Yeti. In comparison it was easy on the ups, I think I'm about a minute slower on a regular climb on the airdrop. I'm not racing, so who cares...On the down however...I'm miles happier on the Airdrop, it's much more stable and 30-40 seconds faster on everything without really pushing it, which is exactly what I wanted.

I do like the Graves theory and it's a good one but remember he has been sponsored for a very long time so it's mostly a decision between XT and XTR 😉

It's inevitable really, ten years ago we were all riding 160mm all-mountain bikes with triple cranksets, no dropper posts and DH inner tubes which tipped the scales at 35lb on a bad day. Some guys even went for coil suspension which pushed the weight up still further.

These days, we demand dropper posts, wide (and strong) handlebars, tubeless tyres with reinforced casings, larger wheels, stronger frames and we seem to ride bikes with more than one pivot point necessitating several sets of bearings.

I daren't weigh my ally Stumpjumper 29er. I know that I'd be very upset if I did.

I'd think about other places you can save weight if it bothers you - Camelbak with normal gubbins I found added 2kg compared to just a tube and pump so I only take the latter on local spins (with a bottle) nowadays.

Everyone on here could save 1kg off their body weight (even the racing snakes) - so that's 3kg or 6.6lb saved straight away. (Weight bothers me but only within reason and limited funds!)

I had a large prophet built with pikes and light bicycle dh rims, e13 tires and gx. It weighed nearly 35lb and I found it s drag on long days. Just gone for 29er fuel ex which has Easton heist wheels (cheap on offer), factory 34's at 140, hans damf/ magic mary and the same gx, transfer dropper, it weighs 30 on the nose and I really can tell the difference weight wise. I ride exactly the same stuff in the peak no slower and prefer the fuel on really tight steep tracks.

Got my 2016 Enduro weighed at a race last year by Trev Worsey for an article on Enduro MTB. It was on the Park tool scales and it was 35lbs. That was with a spare inner tube attached to the frame and a full water bottle. Definitely some interesting weights on the bikes that made the final article

http://enduro-mtb.com/en/poc-scottish-enduro-series-round-6-ae-rumble-jungle/2/

Saving Kgs is easy and cheap, saving grams is hard and costs lots of money.

Ultimately though, the bike's got to do its job. A mate is obsessed with the weight of his road bike and is constantly looking to save weight: "my new bike weighs 6Kg". Unfortunately he's not exactly light and keeps breaking things and wonders why.

@philjunior - most people (including myself) could lose 10Kg off their body weight which would make far more of a difference. Some could probably lose the weight of their bike plus all the kit they take.

I weighed all mine a while ago. Conclusions I came to

1) Mojo3 was under 30lbs. It should be. Lots of carbon.I could get it lower but it's pretty much perfect so it'd just be throwing cash away and potentially making it less perfect

2) WTB scraper rims are heavy. My Stache is a bit porky for a HT.

3) Chubby tyres aren't any heavier than a proper 2.3. The biggest difference are the Rims. Ibis are light. Hope/WTB aren't.

4) My SolarisMax confirmed the 'pick it up' test as the lightest. It's also the fastest climber in the local woods but wouldn't be in rocky terrain.

5) Weight is largely irrelevant in terms of how they ride.

I tend to stick with Rockshox/Fox/Hope/RaceFace/Shimano at an XT type of level. Always a compromise- Yari is quite heavy but brilliant for the price. Zees weigh more than XT but I much prefer them. Hope hubs aren't that light but they're easy to fix.

Basically the weight really doesn't matter within the range of bikes I have. I did pedal my old SX Trail on an XC ride once and it was hateful. But any of these are fine, and it's down to me to put some effort in and stay away from the cake aisle.

I really like the way light bikes ride. Despite being a bit hefty myself.

Best bike I've had was a SC Blur TR Carbon I modded to run ~140mm rear travel with 150 Pikes on it. Running lots of carbon bits it was 25.4lbs. It was incredible.

I sold that for a burlier Nomad C with the same kit. That came out sub 27lbs.

I've even had a V10c come out at 33.5lbs.

Then I sold the fleet and bought a weighty NP Mega, it just weighed so much, about 33lbs iirc.

Needless to say I sold that and have just bought a Ghost frame to build up, it's almost done and looking like it will be sub 30lbs, hopefully 29.

It is possible without carbon frames, but they definitely make the difference!

Enduro Bike? One for doing 40-60km days with 2-3000m of [s]climbing[/s] walking in a day?

FIFY

Seriously though, most people I see with Enduro bikes seem to be walking up the hills. Not sure if that's the bike or the riders fault though.

Or maybe if you rode smoother then a trail bike would be just as okay an Enduro one?

Most enduro bikes are surely designed to at least winch up hills rather than walk- they aren't DH bikes.

My Aeris climbs pretty well - especially when it's steep and technical. I'm the weak climbing link in terms of fitness - but it reasonably regularly gets ridden up Cafell at Cwmcarn which to me is a big hill to cycle up.

@whitestone - I know, I didn't feel very fat but lost >10kgs since starting to ride to work (it's probably more like 15). I could still lose >>1kg without being unhealthily skinny.

My airdrop will get up most things, I just need to press the pedals harder than on my old Yeti. This probably does me no harm TBH.

My Santa Cruz Hightower CC with...
135mm Monarch RT3
150mm Pikes
Pure C33 Carbon rims/Hope Pro4 hubs/CX sapim spokes
Hope Tech X2 brakes/ float rotors
Six C carbon bars
XT single ring crankset/ Hope 44T Cassette/XT shifter/XT mech
Fox Transfer post
Rocket Ron/Nobby Nic both Snakeskin/tubeless
DMR Vault Magnesium pedals
SDG Duster Ti saddle

On my unscientific and non calibrated scales (first me then me with bike and deduction made) it comes in at 28lbs , pleasantly surprised , however I wouldn't be surprised its not very accurate but in the ballpark area. I however weigh...........lots so its of little consequence in the overall scheme of things.

Nothing to add but that's a lovely looking bike mate!!!

I've read comments on here that the Airdrop frame is portly, but then the numbers quoted don't sound too bad.

I thought my Process 134 was a little lardy until I got it on a park tools scale, came out at 30.09lbs, that's full XT, Pikes & Reverb, carbon bars, hope hubs/stans rims and conti barons. Turns out the extra weight was on me, so shedding that has made the world of difference, Process now feels very swift.

Ive just weighed my large Codeine spec as follows....

pikes
sram 1 x 11
xt brakes
spesh dropper
hope/wtb wheels
spesh tyres set up tubeless
easton haven stem
easton havoc 800mm downhill bars
few hope bits

it came out at 33lbs which Im quite surprised at as thought it was heavier.

I had no idea how much mine weighed, so I've just chucked it on an old knackered spring scale. it only goes up to 27lbs and mine is off the scale - I'm guessing about 28/29 lbs.

That's a large Santa Cruz Blur LTc tricked with what I thought was seriously light kit. Ok there's a fairly beefy Fox 36 fork and Minions front and rear, but I did expect it to be a bit lighter.

I had to check the road bike (17 lbs) to cheer myself up.

All bike weight threads should be like this - confessionals about how our strong, stiff, long wheelbase, big wheeled, wide tyred, chunky forked, dropper post'd and piggyback shock'd bikes are inexplicably heavier than the bikes we had a few years back. 😉

All bike weight threads should be like this - confessionals about how our strong, stiff, long wheelbase, big wheeled, wide tyred, chunky forked, dropper post'd and piggyback shock'd bikes are inexplicably heavier than the bikes we had a few years back

My name is PJM1974 and my 29er is a bloater. But I like it.

Smuggler is 30lbs, built up with reliable kit that works. Only place where there is potential to save weight is the wheels. The Hope Tech Enduro's are quite a porky rim (550g), Arch Mk3 are 450g, would make quite a difference.

Rocket.
A shade under 32lbs with the now fitted CCDBACS

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*Waves at Chris above.

All bike weight threads should be like this - confessionals about how our strong, stiff, long wheelbase, big wheeled, wide tyred, chunky forked, dropper post'd and piggyback shock'd bikes are inexplicably heavier than the bikes we had a few years back.

I've noticed a change in attitude towards bike weight in the industry, certainly companies like Specialized have stopped speccing their long travel bikes with ultralight tubes and S-Works case tyres and have switched to realistically durable rubber.

I'm out on an LBS ride on Saturday, I might ask them to weigh my 29er...

I had a DH rig that was 50lbs. They all were over 40lbs back then. Not as many broke though!

My Santa Cruz Hightower CC with...
135mm Monarch RT3
150mm Pikes
Pure C33 Carbon rims/Hope Pro4 hubs/CX sapim spokes
Hope Tech X2 brakes/ float rotors
Six C carbon bars
XT single ring crankset/ Hope 44T Cassette/XT shifter/XT mech
Fox Transfer post
Rocket Ron/Nobby Nic both Snakeskin/tubeless
DMR Vault Magnesium pedals
SDG Duster Ti saddle

On my unscientific and non calibrated scales (first me then me with bike and deduction made) it comes in at 28lbs , pleasantly surprised , however I wouldn't be surprised its not very accurate but in the ballpark area. I however weigh...........lots so its of little consequence in the overall scheme of things.

My very similar spec'ed Hightower (XL fame), came in at bang on 30 lbs on the bike shop scales so I think your method might be on the optimistic side.

My very similar spec'ed Hightower (XL fame), came in at bang on 30 lbs on the bike shop scales so I think your method might be on the optimistic side.

Yeah I never thought it was accurate and wouldn't surprise me your right, it was just a look see. Yours the CC carbon frame or C Carbon out of interest?

Yeah I never thought it was accurate and wouldn't surprise me your right, it was just a look see. Yours the CC carbon frame or C Carbon out of interest?

It's a CC frame.

Carbon rims, bars, cranks. Same forks, hubs, spokes as you. I'm probably heavier than you on shock (Fox X2), pedals (non-Mg vaults), dropper (170 mm reverb) but lighter on drivetrain (XX1/XTR mix).