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[i]Crazy legs, the scenario you describe does happen, no reason to get annoyed about it, just stop and give them a bit of time or overtake if you can. I'd never drop someone from a ride, that's just rude.[/i]
It's not always possible to pass someone, at some point the MTB etiquette thing has to be explained to some people too.
[i]Question for you, how do all these roadies get "the knowledge"? Does it come in a book? Surely at some point everyone is a newbie and needs to be educated, not dropped. Personally, I've never ridden in a group before on the road and would definitely not be confident at the front. I do have bottles though. I am assuming that some roadie clubs are less interested in this stuff? [/i]
You learn by doing it (although yes, the information is widely available in roadie training books). I did similar on my first ever road ride (brand new road bike too), eager to try it out I'd be off the front on every hill climb, had no idea of how to ride and ended up dying a death and being more or less literally pushed back home by a club mate. During this he explained the basics to me and I listened, took his advice on board and learnt to ride in a group. That meant I could then race with the team, know what was happening and enjoy it more.
Had I continued doing the idiot thing of jumping off the front, not doing a turn etc, the club would eventually have just told me not to bother riding with them again...
how odd. When i joined a road club last year they explained all the signals and rules of the road. Told me i didnt need to take turns on the front til i was confident and they even made sure no one was dropped. I had baggys and peak lid and mtb shoes and they didnt mention it. Now after a year i know all the rules enjoy my turns on the front and have figured out lycra makes sense ive lost the peak but still wear mtb shoes lol đ
firestarter: exactly - most clubs are quite patient about it and keen to educate, inform and encourage new riders.
yup and im very happy with mine :-)theyve even got me interested in the tt eve league starting this month lol
So most clubs wouldn't insist on a new rider doing their turn, then drop them when they wouldn't? Sounds like the OP's club is the exception rather than the rule. Might give it a go when I'm a bit fitter.
cynic-al - Member
A real shame the op didn't present his point better in the first instance, but I expect the usual anti-roadie prejudices would have come out.
Al, I'm sure anyone with half a brain saw his point, but (and I think I speak for the majority), the way he portrayed it - valid, or not - gave most folk the impression, that he was in fact the realisation of everyones pre-concieved stereotypical impression of a roadie cock.
Anyway - I may be prejudiced against raod riding per se, as I've done plenty of it in my youth - and it's bloody boring (my opinion and I wouldn't berate anyone for thinking otherwise). One of our best riding buddies does get his fair share of abuse for his road riding tendencies though. đ
I have no real life experience of a real 'roadie' group ride, or it's participants - however, if more than a small minority come across like our Dave, then I'm happy with my chilled out off roading buddies thank you very much.
I remember my first ( and only) road bike club outing. Turned up with my new road bike, baggie shorts, spd's n mtb shoes, unpeaked lid. I was there, ready for this ride. I've seen tour de france, watched some Eurosport bike riding, i was even happy with my general high fitness. I could ride an average 18mph all day, could sprint when needed to. This was it, it was (bloody) 9am on a cold winter morning, my friend who was a roadie told me when and where and i was there. They all (part from 1 other) had there winter hack bikes, me.... full carbon training/race bike. Well, what can i say........64 miles and 5.5 hours later i was back. We averaged about 12 miles per hour and i was bored as hell. I done more than my fair share on the front, but where i was ready to train at high speeds, most of them spun and gabbed all day. The hills, ah the hills. I would attack them from the front, a few would tag on but by the top i was alone and would have to wait 3-4 minutes for everyone else to join up. Bottom line, i dressed like a mtb'er, done my time at the front, cahatted to EVERY single other biker, but most of the riders were just so slow. I hear that club is now separating into speed groups. May go back then
Why on earth would anyone want to ride along with 30-40 guys in skintight fluorescent gear sniffing up his arse? Why on earth would anyone want to ride along in skintight fluorescent gear sniffing up the arse of the guy in front? Wouldn't taking a bus be better?
Sad ain't it?
As a training ride for an mtb'r that was probably a pretty good one I would think.
Long distance with some strength work on the hills. He'll probably do pretty well on his next enduro ride/race.
Sounds like he was on his own agenda but using the roadies as an excuse to put some distance on his ride.
Great thread! Well started OP, though I'm wondering if you haven't been a roadie very long.....
It's the job of the bunch engines to tow the group along. They do that because they're macho and need to show everyone how strong they are. It's perfectly acceptable to sprint past the engines whenever you see fit. Here's an example - say there's a big crew out, perhaps 30 riders, and there's a cafe stop. With a mile or so to go it's normal to pass the engines in order to get to the cafe first, and not end up in a queue.
Plus, being first to the cafe means that your bike is closest to the wall. Meanwhile the dumb engines bike is easiest to get to, so he's first away, on the front, where he needs to be and likes to be.
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PS - I learnt my roadie stuff with the Liverpool clubs back in the 80s. Anyone else remember the 'Two Mills' cafe, or the Crits at Birkenhead Park? Those were the days........yeah and in the winter they use to let us ride through the Mersey tunnel.....
epicyclo - Member
Why on earth would anyone want to ride along with 30-40 guys in skintight fluorescent gear sniffing up his arse? Why on earth would anyone want to ride along in skintight fluorescent gear sniffing up the arse of the guy in front? Wouldn't taking a bus be better?
Sad ain't it?
why comment like this? OP is v strange, but its cycling dont forget.
Good god the whole roadie/mtb'er thing gets on my nerves.
Don't any of you read viz?
'Attacking' in group club rides doing a 100, hmmmm not the done thing at all. IME the race group training rides have always just been about high pace steady good quality riding.
I think I'd be a bit pee'd off if I were maintaining a good pace only to find someone trying to blow it appart on the hills.
Reminds me a bit of when a new guy tanked off during the handicap lap of a crit, when we could have taken all day to get the one lap headstart.
Annoying but he did'nt do it again.
Ok, I'll try and explain it a bit more rationally and see if you get it then.On a long road ride the group tries to cover distance well by taking it in turns on the front. The front is where you push hardest against the air and wind. Therefore the riders on the front do more work than the rest. The general idea is that if you all take turns to do a bit, you spread the effort and the group moves faster as a whole. This works to a lesser extent on the hills but keeping the group together as much as possible helps.
Some riders are not as strong as others and consequently can't do as long on the front. Being a nice bunch, we kind of accept this and the stronger riders will spend longer on the front to compensate.
forget to explain to us all that a bike has two wheels and pedals
i've printed this explanation off in case i get senile dementia
Camelbaks?
Peaked helmets?
I still think black socks are a major no no.
black socks, and "mountain biker right leg" all major no no's
Seems to me some of these - serious - roadies could do with taking up a motto from the great John Cooper Clark as their 'raison d'ĂȘtre'
'There's more to life than fun'
You don't want to go enjoying yourself too much guys - it's not good for you đ
Also it's an assumption to think all road club sunday rides will be fast.
Some are plain slow and social and others have two or three groups going out at diferent paces from slow to mental.
As a pointer there was a poster that maintains 18MPH average all day, I can't do that so I hop from one club ride to another depending on how I feel. That guy probably needs to get in with the fast boys, most road clubs have elites or National standard riders even Olympians and sometimes up and coming Pros so they probably need to be out with them.
I must say though I've always found riders wether road or MTB to be able to switch from one dicipline to another without a problem.
Good god the whole roadie/mtb'er thing gets on my nerves.
It's silly to have an automatic 'all roadies are ****ers' attitude, but it does seem from many people's experience (and the OP) that some road clubs are weird, unfriendly, old fashioned, cliquey affairs, with secret etiquette and unwritten rules, along with gear/bike snobbery.
I like riding my bike on the road, but the idea of joining a club really doesn't appeal. Mind you the idea of joining a mtb club doesn't really appeal either.
100.
Before the internet, David would have just made a mildly amusing cafe stop anecdote about this incident, and that would have been that, he wouldn't have hundreds of people hating on him and reinforcing their prejudices either way. But hey. đ
I do most of my group riding on the road rather than off. I've always found my club to be very pleasant and sociable, without being regimented or cliquey, but I'm conscious that others on here have not had the same experience of it.
They had a word and now I spend time on the front and give it some on hills as well, you get some grudging respect for that.
i'd rather go out by myself than with a group where the best you could hope for is grudging respect! sounds like a blast... đ
The flipside of the OP -->
[B]Road Riders on Mountain Bike Club Rides[/b]
Please don't turn up with bottles that fall out of the cage on every bump, sit at the back for 10 miles apart from attacking like a maniac on each downhill and thinking we love your awesome descending ability when you are actually utterly crap....oh and if you want to know why we dropped you on the last few miles we'd be happy to explain it to you AFTER KEPT OUT OF OUR WAY ON THE TECHNICAL BITS YOU CAN'T RIDE FOR TOFFEE!
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Reminds me of a book i just read, this guy called Landis who apparantly was a mtb'er initially turned up at some Rd race in his wolly socks and tracky bottoms and totally un-cool bike with dinner plate front ring, casually works his way to the start line. the usualy comments 'Who the Fu** are you?' so mr landis says anyone who can keep up i will buy them dinner - howles of lafter from the pack, turns out mr landis didnt have to buy anyone dinner and had plenty of time for a plate of EPO before 2nd place came in.
What club are you riding with Mick?
Reminds me of a book i just read, this guy called Landis who apparantly was a mtb'er initially turned up at some Rd race in his wolly socks and tracky bottoms and totally un-cool bike with dinner plate front ring, casually works his way to the start line. the usualy comments 'Who the Fu** are you?' so mr landis says anyone who can keep up i will buy them dinner - howles of lafter from the pack, turns out mr landis didnt have to buy anyone dinner and had plenty of time for a plate of EPO before 2nd place came in.
I'm not sure if someone raised this point having only skim read... I know that 'anybody' can sit at the back for 100miles and cling on - but. He was on an MTB and you reckoned you were averaging 20mph!
That's fast going on an MTB slipstreaming or not.
Bitterness me thinks. If he was that quick on the MTB he'd utterly destroy you on a road bike. Regularly commuting on both, my 20 min commute on the road bike takes 35 mins on the MTB - that's the effort difference so kudos to him!
dunno about roadies with no skill..................
A lot of the good ones seem to have mored to road bikes from other bikes (mainly BMX)
scotia - Member
"epicyclo - Member
Why on earth would anyone want to ride along with 30-40 guys in skintight fluorescent gear sniffing up his arse? ...etc..."why comment like this? OP is v strange, but its cycling dont forget.
Good god the whole roadie/mtb'er thing gets on my nerves.
But why? Serious question.
I can understand track, time trials, touring and triathlons, but I really can't see what pleasure there is in riding in a tight group totally dependent on someone else's reactions and judgement. I can't stand having someone on my back wheel because I that limits what I can do on the bike. I'm not interested in being so close to the person in front that a large chunk of my concentration is going on maintaining that position rather than enjoying the ride.
As for wearing shiny technicolour clothing with "sponsors" adverts, that's really a fashion thing, so I shouldn't criticise because I have never been cool (on the good authority of my teenage daughter), so I'll withdraw that jibe đ
It seems it comes down to roadie cycling is a group activity, and mtb is a personal activity (even when there's a mob of you)
a roadie actually smiled and waved at us the other day when we were out on the MTB tandem? Is this a first? Usually they pretend not to see us
[i]But why? Serious question.
I can understand track, time trials, touring and triathlons, but I really can't see what pleasure there is in riding in a tight group totally dependent on someone else's reactions and judgement. I can't stand having someone on my back wheel because I that limits what I can do on the bike. I'm not interested in being so close to the person in front that a large chunk of my concentration is going on maintaining that position rather than enjoying the ride.
As for wearing shiny technicolour clothing with "sponsors" adverts, that's really a fashion thing, so I shouldn't criticise because I have never been cool (on the good authority of my teenage daughter), so I'll withdraw that jibe [:)]
It seems it comes down to roadie cycling is a group activity, and mtb is a personal activity (even when there's a mob of you) [/i]
Seriously? you are not adult enough to accept a sport for what it is? How old are you, 12?
Get a grip and maybe accept road biking along with all the other sorts. If you're never going to do it yourself it shouldnt bother you. Ok so the OP is very strange and i dont agree with his opinions, but still youre acting just as bad by doing the same thing..or dont you get that?!
I'll bet the idea for this thread started in some cafe during a roadie group ride...
As someone who considers himself a cyclist rather than a roadie or mtber (and with a good enough pedigree in road riding/racing to be able to comment from a view of knowing something about it), I find this thread says so much about why the road racing scene in this country is dying - almost regardless of whether the OP is trolling or not, there are people who do think like this.
For some reason a significant proportion (and I'll be very clear on that -- not ALL so please don't assume all roadies/clubs are full of to55ers) road racing clubs seem to have some bizarre sense of superiority to everyone else who rides bikes - be that mtbers, triathletes, casual riders or even just roadies from other clubs. This seems to lead to the whole 'getting new riders to earn their dues' attitude which is putting so many people off these clubs.
I recall my first forays with road clubs, coming from a background in another sport which meant that I was fitter than the majority but without a clue about the rules or ettiquette. Not being some complete numpty and being willing to learn the rules/etc. I didn't take kindly to being patronised or the attempted bullying (which funnily enough included attempts to drop me at the end of long rides for which they eventually paid which wound them upeven more đ ) - now you could say that's an arrogant view but I did what they asked me to do when asked and didn't make the same mistakes twice. Strangely that never seemed enough and lots of the guys would rather that I served out an apprenticeship and behaved like a good little boy. They disliked it even more when I beat them at races.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the clubs like this (DaveB's by the sound of it) will die out pretty soon with the current squeeze on road racing in Britain and more importantly more and more people deciding that you don't need to join a club to ride on the road (the sportive crowd - another are of derision for roadies) so if they're not offering anything other than riding with an arrogant bunch of tryhards, why bother. Can't happen soon enough I reckon.
Last summer I was out for a ride on my old MTB which is fitted with 1.5 slicks and is mostly used as a commuter. Waiting to pull out of a side road and a pack of about 10 roadies goes past I nipped out and attached myself to the back of the pack thinking I wont be able to stay with this lot for long but I will have a go. I was right I couldnt stay with them very long my legs were a blur trying to keep up. I managed to stick to the back for about 10 miles and during those miles I didnt hear a single word spoken even whilst waiting to cross a main road not a word đ Do roadies ever talk or smile or laugh. Perhaps they are worried it would waste a calorie.
pantsonfire - it all depends. If it's a hard training ride then probably not because you can't. If it's a winter get-the-miles-in ride then there's lots of chat...
i think the attutude of rough stuffers is one i like to encompass, views, smiles and cake, as for roadies cliques, well they can't have any of my cake đ
during those miles I didnt hear a single word spoken even whilst waiting to cross a main road not a word [:?] Do roadies ever talk or smile or laugh. Perhaps they are worried it would that waste a calorie.
Nearing the end of a century ride the last thing I want to is talk, that said I do 99% of my road riding on my own and I certainly do not want to join a club as I just can't be arsed with the politics of it all.
Great fun this thread đ
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kingtut - you'd love it - all those people with something in common with you - grumpiness đ
Some people form clubs for security (cliques) and other to help others (open). Just because one club doesn't welcome you doesn't mean they are all like that.
When I'm too old to MTB, I'll be getting a proper road bike, and maybe joining a club for the company. As it is, the only road riding I currently do is on my commuter (adapted steel MTB with slicks and bar ends). I enjoy thundering up and down steep country lanes with blind corners, mud, debris, potholes etc. I really am a mountain biker!
clubber it wasnt a hard training or at least I dont think so. If I was out on a training ride and some fat basyard on a 28 pound MTB could keep up with me for 10 miles I would give up cycling and take up dominoes.
I still have my old Quinns 10 speed racer which I like to ride long distance (long for me that is) I rode the Isle of Man TT course last year 37.75 miles in 2 and a half hours even though I nearly blew up on the climb up the mountain. Too much Okells bitter the night before.
I know well of the club that BD is referring to above...
As for the original post, that and the single ride I went on corresponds to everything that road cycling clubs tend to be. Plus, having pretty much been told to "**** off the road you ****, you're in our way" by the London dynarod club, I have no desire to do it, and my mates experiences are broadly similar. There's a level of elitism and snobbishness that's just not necessary. I have road bikes, I probably ride them 80% of the time, but I make sure I do it with people I want to ride with.
Davidb, and your club will probably be happy to hear I have no intention of joining them. I don't need club kit and rudeness to know I can ride a road bike.
pants - Maybe they were just a miserable bunch of gits. Or they were all knackered at the end of a long ride.
This I hate roadie sh*t really ****s me off, I ride MTB's I ride road bikes too.
They are all just bikes!
To 95% of the population a bike whether its a MTB, road, TT, cruiser, BMX, shopper, tandem, trike whatever... its just a bike.
I just derided a MTB mate on Facebook because I have met him every Saturday morning for the last few weeks on my road bike and when he doesnt speak just because he blanks roadies. (Could be the overstuffed lycra sausage look that is giving him the boak maybe though tbh)
I ride with a road club and like every club most people are good guys and there are some t*ts but that would be the same if it was a snakes and ladders club!
People just need to (to use a favourite parlance of my 7 year old) CHILLAX đ
My club's runs tend to involve a long stretch of sociability and chat at the start, then get quicker and quieter as people warm up and we get into the hills. After the tea stop we're downhill all the way home and the hammer really goes down.
But there is in general a lot less nattering than on mtb group rides I've been on certainly.
my experiences of a road club match Mick's up above. Extremely accomodating, my first few rides no-one had any problems with me tagging on the back learning the lingo. I also attacked the climbs at first not understanding why everyone seemed to climb up really slowly but no-one seemd to have any problems with it. I usually turned up in cut down jeans and a t-shirt too, no-one seemed to mind.
Of course, it all changed when I started racing. Apparently cut down jeans aren't acceptable shorts for a race. People on crappy old Raleigh bikes are to be spat on especially when they start coming in the top ten in amateur 25 mile sprints.
This I hate roadie sh*t really ****s me off, I ride MTB's I ride road bikes too.
it's not about that, it's about disliking unpleasant people :o)
"That's fast going on an MTB slipstreaming or not. "
He was on a road bike.
Roadying is probably a bit like gay sex, only the committed practitioner can understand the pleasure, from the outside it just looks like purgatory.
I think this thread needs a machismo rating to warn the innocent.
A lot of the negative comments posted here do apply to groups of MTB'ers as well.
One thing I can't stand IME of MTB'ers is the nasty underlying competative edge some people have, ok fine on it's own but often it's unleashed a mid so called social rides.
I often here bragging about how riders on mountainbikes tore up some roadies.
The thing is group sunday road rides are training rides usually with fairly tight agendas, so for someone to tag on a road ride and out pace them is fine, but the people that do that are competing with riders that are out training not racing.
Well i agree about the elitism... In my experience roadies are a sad bunch who does not speak to a fellow cyclist when they cross him/her.
Understanding the pleasure of road riding is easy for plenty of people including all those mtbers that turn up to clubs to have a go, not expecting to be looked down on. That's not what this is about. Understanding why you'd ride with a club that's full of people who are to55ers and who want to drop you at the end of a ride to teach you a lesson for something you probably didn't realise is 'wrong' is the question here.
Roadying is probably a bit like gay sex,
Ah that explains it then its all a pain in the arse đ
just because you don't agree with it or understand it doesn't mean it's it's wrong.
much like real life all types of cycling have their fair share of gear-fetishists, pain-merchants, serial apologists/complainers, slackers and complete narrow minded tossers.
deal with it. ride with people you get on with and stop worrying about what other people think or do.
"Fat Roadie Kicks Off" - lol seeing as I've won a number of hill climbs and am accused of having a toast rack instead of a chest.
Here's another go at the OP
"A bloke came on one of our rides the other day, it was quite a tough one. Most of us worked together to make it easier for the weaker riders and ensured that we would all get home together. However, he insisted on disrupting the ride and showing off. I wasn't too happy about that and we had a polite word with him but he carried on anyway. Near the end of the ride he could not keep up, mainly due to his showing off which had depleted his energy."
I actually meant it as humorous piss take Viz type rant not a troll post, but there you go. My MTB forum guidelines are 100% vindicated, in fact I think I'm going to do some more work on them this weekend to bring them up to date with current practice.
I'm very proud of my road club, they do loads for the community and new/old riders alike. They are all incredibly sociable and patient and only ever ask that new riders **listen** to advise when joining rides for the first time. Sadly many don't.
simonfbarnes - Member
This I hate roadie sh*t really ****s me off, I ride MTB's I ride road bikes too.
it's not about that, it's about disliking unpleasant people :o)
Exactly Simon, thats my point. the world is full of tw*ts but its also full of good guys too đ in fact there are far more of them. Nobody should let a few of the bad ones put them off a whole sport. Only thing that puts me off road riding is getting an absolute kicking every saturday đ
Hang on a mo I've just remembered. Back in the seventies when I raced in B&W the fast guys did use to drop me if I slacked off and never waited if I punctured.
The utter barstewards.
"Fat Roadie Kicks Off" - lol seeing as I've won a number of hill climbs and am accused of having a toast rack instead of a chest.Here's another go at the OP
"A bloke came on one of our rides the other day, it was quite a tough one. Most of us worked together to make it easier for the weaker riders and ensured that we would all get home together. However, he insisted on disrupting the ride and showing off. I wasn't too happy about that and we had a polite word with him but he carried on anyway. Near the end of the ride he could not keep up, mainly due to his showing off which had depleted his energy."
I actually meant it as humorous piss take Viz type rant not a troll post, but there you go. My MTB forum guidelines are 100% vindicated, in fact I think I'm going to do some more work on them this weekend to bring them up to date with current practice.
I'm very proud of my road club, they do loads for the community and new/old riders alike. They are all incredibly sociable and patient and only ever ask that new riders **listen** to advise when joining rides for the first time. Sadly many don't.
Have you also won back pedalling races? đ
Oh Jesus, I just read some of the blog link that was posted up earlier. Seems that we're in the presence of a new messiah after reading just a snippet of the self-indulgent ramblings of a clear self-obsessive.
I'm sure a saw a couple of riders using "small under the shirt" Camelbaks during the Tour a few years back. One may have been Lance during a team time trial.
Didn't Lance use a helmet with a peak during the Tour of California recently?
[i]the name must prove embarrassing when used in verbal introduction, ie. "Hello, you must be âWickerNuts'"[/i]
I chuckled at this. đ
Just 'cos Lance did it doesn't make it right.
DavidB - will you please name your club?
Or at least re-assure me that it's not in the Cheshire/Manchester/Peaks area.
pk-ripper .. can I use that quote on my site!
Or at least re-assure me that it's not in the Cheshire/Manchester/Peaks area.
Higgo - I ride with a Manchester club. It's very friendly and is in the process of re-growing* with stacks of new members. People are into all sorts of different stuff, whether sociable Sunday rides, sportives, road racing, time trialling, touring, track, cross, MTB racing.
I joined the club a couple of years ago having got bitten by the road riding bug. I was expecting much weirdness based on my prejudices as a MTBer (I think, as I recall, I got all of these prejudices from MBUK back in the early '90s!).
They're an exceedingly friendly bunch, are actively sociable outside the riding (if you want that, cool if not) and are also very encouraging of all new members. There are at least two groups riding on a Sunday - even during the summer, where traditionally club runs are less popular with racing members. Sunday rides tend (unless otherwise agreed) to have a "no-one gets left behind" policy, which is good for the likes of me for whom gravity is a serious issue.
If you want any more info, drop me a line at ourmaninthenorth AT googlemail.com.
Oh, and if you need any further incentive, me and another chap are putting together an off road ride for later in the summer. That's off road on our carbon race bikes....
*Having had the likes of Chris Boardman and reg Harris as members, it used to be the premier amateur racing club in the country.
Manchester Wheelers/Truman Steel? or that Kodak sponsored squad??
Thought Reg Harris was a southerner as my first 'proper' bike was a Reg Harris and I'm err a southerner!
After much mickey taking recently a female MTBing friend of mine bought herself a decent road bike and decided to go on a club ride. The condescending sh*te she had to put up with when she turned up first time with her Camelback (ooh, that will hurt your back love' - how? it doesnt hurt for 8 hr MTB rides, hardly gonna do the same for a 2 hr pootle with a load of Lance wannabes). The derision at her MTB shoes and spds made her go and buy road shoes and pedals the week after. Funnily enough, she did comment that they all went really slowly up hills and she overtook most of them.
I dont think she has been back. Did her first DH race at Moelfre last week though and everyone was really friendly and helpful... Funny that. Hopefully she is selling the Trek carbon road tat and buying a Session 88.
"I'm sorry but you just don't wear a Camelback on a road bike, in the same way that you don't wear a peaked helmet"
i do, why not? did a sportive like that a few weeks ago. it's just a bike ride, on or off road..
For the same reason you don't wear tank tops at a Metallica gig..you just don't
For the same reason you don't wear tank tops at a Metallica gig..you just don't
That is really a good reason... To be honest I hope you are trolling as you sound exactly like the kind of tosser I cross during my commute everyday.
Not tough enough to do proper rides, so ride a shiny expensive carbon frame along the coast, cant really go much faster than a commuter with an over stuffed messenger bag a 12kg old and crappy SS road bike a peaked helmet and mtb shoes but are too much right they own arses that they cant be bothered to abide to the basics rules of politeness
Basic rules of politeness probably include not calling people tossers don't they?
But sadly I don't really fit your cyclist profile very well juan
The camelback thing is like, over long brake hoses or mismatched valve to logo positioning or 9" forks on an on-one or weeds in bike against wall shots....etc..
Manchester Wheelers/Truman Steel? or that Kodak sponsored squad??Thought Reg Harris was a southerner as my first 'proper' bike was a Reg Harris and I'm err a southerner!
Yep, Manchester Wheelers.
No longer sponsored by Trumans Steel (unlike the glory days, which some of the older members are fond of going on about).
Reg Harris was from Birtle, near Bury!
Anyway, if you're interested in coming out on a club run, you would be very welcome. Even with a camelback, peaked helmet, hairy legs and all the stuff that seems to have got everyone so excited in this thread...
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He has become caught up in achievement and forgotten the simple pleasures to be had in riding your bike whilst not giving a toss how fast, how hard or how difficult your riding should be. He's succumbed to the virtual arms race of equipping my bike with the latest gadgets and gears and forgotten that itâs just as much fun to ride when you do it with others and take pleasure from their enjoyment rather than your own.
Bollicks innit?
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Thanks for the offer, but I'm firmly based down sarf. Complete with shaven legs (camelbak & peak in the bin) I'm an old fuddy duddy you see.
I did have a few run is with the Manchester/Truman guys in the 70's and early 80's. Then IIRC they were one of the first clubs to get sponsored big time and competed on a different level.
Anyway bought back a few good memories of the old red white and blue jerseys.
What tosser wrote that load of old crap stratobiker. Sounds like some sort of up their own arse messiah type?
Me and my mate rode our bikes for the BBC's Messiah.
Sounds like some sort of up their own arse messiah type
You mean a roadie then :d
oldgit - sorry! I thought Higgo had posted that, so the comment about hairy legs was for him..! (Though, of course, you're more than welcome to come and give us a kicking next time you're up North..!) đ
The Trumans Steel days were one of semi-professionalism, AFAIK, and so there was lots of concern that the playing field wasn't level. It certainly seemed to attract the best riders at the time....
We still wear the same jersey (as originally designed by Reg Harris). I'm no racer (next year, when I'm well again and fit enough), but I do get a sense of pride in pulling on the jersey.
Did you ever come across Harold "H" Nelson - the soigneur of some distinction?
Is he the guy with the 'face' that looked like he had done a few rounds with Henry Cooper and come off the worse?
