she'll be on celebrity big brother next year the way this countries screwed up system works.
^ This
She really is not very clever is she?
Not good at driving
Not good at understanding social media
Not good at talking (proportion / precaution)
Not good at apologising
Things must be screwed up as I am not even attracted to her, despite her being female, blond and not a dog.
That is classic, I'm gonna use that later!!I thought i saw a loaf of bread named after her earlier.Then i realised it said "Thick Cut"
She does seem to see the problem being that she got found out on twitter and that her career is in danger.
The attitude and driving that led her to be in the position to send the tweet in the first place doesn't seem to register as a being anything worht mentioning or apologising for.
The interviewer was more focussed on the Twitter storm than why she had the accident and then drove off in the first place which was a shame.
Am I the only one to be astounded that despite knowing she's going to be interviewed on telly she can't stop chewing her gum?
Edit. Phewww, Excitable spotted it too, the world does have some standards left.
She's on the BBC now saying it was his fault and he was on her side of the road;
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230[/url]
she'd be better saving all this for a potential court visit, wouldn't she?
Presumably she was paying so little attention that she didn't notice there was another independent witness to the collision. That and there's a bit of a funny smell about her evolving story.
TBF the cyclists story has changed a bit too.
"Emma love, that first interview was a bit a of car wreck if honest, no pun intended - so we're gonna try again, first though 24hrs of intensive coaching..."
she came out this
[the public were] "judging me on one man's side of the story".
Sorry luv, no, I was judging you on your side of the story, which, and correct me if I'm wrong was... "Definitely knocked a cyclist off his bike earlier. I have right of way - he doesn't even pay road tax! #bloodycyclists"
I felt his handlebar just clip my wing mirror and my initial reaction was to brake, stop and look in the mirror.
No no no no! Its Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre... 🙄 😉
Regardless she still left the scene of an accident, she's toast. All this publicity isn't going to help her either. If there was ever a need for the European strict liability rules to make drivers take some responsibility this is the case.
"The tweet and the incident are completely different, it doesn't relate to the accident," she said. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230)
So how does that work? I no understand.
Aracer [i]"she didn't notice there was another independent witness to the collision[/i]
Got a link to that?
@z1ppy - first page of thread link to cc. The rider talks about his friend that he was riding with and who nearly got hit too.
edit: here: http://road.cc/content/news/84212-norwich-police-seek-driver-who-tweeted-about-collision-cyclist
"I was riding on a country B-road with a friend, and descending a hill on a blind right hand corner", Toby told us. "I was sticking to the left as the corner was blind. A car came round in the opposite direction going much too quickly to make the corner safely. It missed the rider in front of me but hit me, my right leg caught the front right wing. I was thrown up onto the bonnet, I hit the side of windsrceen and the wing mirror. I bounced back off the car and went through a hedge for about 20 metres. I managed to keep control of the bike; the back brake had locked on but I managed to rejoin the road and stop in the middle of it"
Amazingly Toby made it through the incident with only minor damage to himself and the bike. "I have a sore elbow, a bruised knee, nettle stings from riding through the hedge, but nothing serious", he told us. "The headset of the bike is loose from the collision, one of the levers got knocked round the bars and there's bits of nettle in the chain, but I think the bike is intact."
"Myself and my friend burst out laughing when we finally came to a stop, more out of shock than anything else", he said. "You count your limbs and carry on".
The independent witness, or her not noticing? The first has been covered in most articles about it, and clearly I'm wrong about the second as in the latest link it's her mentioning it - maybe she doesn't realise the implication. I suppose we do have to also consider the possibility her story might be accurate, but it seems unlikely.
Sorry, but friend he was riding with won't count as independent witness, witness yes, but not like another person driving along the road who didn't know either party.
Like the driver that hit me in similar circumstances a month or so ago? The driver that stopped. Then wound down their window, fiddled with a broken wing mirror but then drove off in a hurry as I rode up to the car, one-handed with my painful arm at my side? The police took interest in that - if there's an injury they take it as an incident to be investigated and in this case a hit and run. Handlebar - or arm, hand, how would you know? Better to stop and check eh.
I had that about a year ago, waiting in a layby with a group faceing the oncoming trafic a car overtook another cyclist and then pulled back in very quickly to get out the way of an oncoming car.
Bizzarely he was driving an Audi, and stopped, and was very appologetic and concerned fo my hand! I was ready to give him a bollocking but figured a new Audi wing mirror (it was well and trully iripairable) would probably cost him more than anything he'd get even if I did report it.
unklehomered - Member
Sorry, but friend he was riding with won't count as independent witness, witness yes, but not like another person driving along the road who didn't know either party.
ah true
Emma Way:
"I would like to say my side of the story so maybe they can see where I'm coming from here"
You did love when you said this:
"Definitely knocked a cyclist off his bike earlier. I have right of way - he doesn't even pay road tax!"
EPIC FRICKING FAIL.
PS Where you are coming from? I think we know: the wrong side of the road at speed....
Aracer the "independant witness" bit, but it's been explained now.. I'd read he was riding with a m8, but didn't think you could call him "independent", as mentioned/explained above. cheers
Ah - I was missing that it was a friend, had thought it was just another rider.
pretty eyes though...
So, at first it was:
"Definitely knocked a cyclist off his bike earlier."
Now it's:
"He did wobble slightly but he was upright, he was fine."
Me thinks it's a bit too late for backpedaling Emma. (No pun intended, well maybe a bit.)
pretty eyes though...
you mean, pretty [i]useless[/i] eyes.
At the back of my mind, I have this nagging worry that she might end up getting away with this... She better bloody not. 😡
OK, so she brags on social media about knocking off a cyclist, claiming that it’s fine because she pays road tax and #bloodycyclists, etc. This is in addition to previous examples of her poor road safety, which include:
a) Speeding considerably above the limit
b) Tailgating
c) Taking photos of the above whilst driving.
She then claims that she only ‘clipped’ him, but he was fine so why bother stopping, and anyway it was his fault because she’s a careful driver who doesn’t hate cyclists.
I wonder who I’m going to believe?
An interview straight from the Lance Armstrong school of remorse, there.
Given the style and content of what she said in the interview and previous (apparent) driving behaviour, there seems to be something unsettling about her personality... along the lines of lack aggressive and lack of empathy...
I do hope the CPS and Police are aware there's likely to be deep manipulation on her part in an attempt to get away with this... and will spot her games
At the back of my mind, I have this nagging worry that she might end up getting away with this... She better bloody not.
Reckon it could go either way to be honest.
It wouldn't surprise me if police think that she's suffered the worst of it by public humiliation, it's probably cost her her job (or at least one hell of a disciplinary) and it's not in the public interest to prosecute.
On the other hand, there is more than enough of her own evidence to incriminate her and do her for consistent dangerous/careless driving.
Even now, the news angles are concentrating on the tweet. Not the actual dangerous driving, the offence of leaving the scene of an accident and the other offences of her speeding/tailgating etc. Not the angle that road tax doesn't exist. Just the tweet. 🙄
Already, the media are playing the "poor dizzy blonde". Never mind the guy who was nearly killed. Again, this is one of those watershed moments of opportunity for furthering the cause of cycling and for educating drivers but no, it's pretty much been wasted. Unless they do actually hand her some jail time, that would send out a huge signal to drivers...
pretty eyes though...
True, but I don't like his earrings very much, so it a no from me I'm afraid.
I can't get over how she sees the cyclist as a thing, she's sorry if she damaged the cyclist.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
For me that was the most important word in this whole sorry affair. When using the road, too many people simply forget that while the other vehicles are objects, their cargo is precious.
"The tweet and the incident are completely different, it doesn't relate to the accident," she said.
the tweet and the incident are unconected????? did she hit two cyclists that day?
An interview straight from the Lance Armstrong school of remorse, there.
Reminded me more of this [s]calculating PR stunt[/s] heartfelt interview...
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If she does get away with it, all cyclists in Norfolk should carry bottles full of piss to spray her with every time they see her. And just keep doing it. After a couple years she'll become a reclous.
Again, this is one of those watershed moments of opportunity for furthering the cause of cycling and for educating drivers
yes, it is ok to run cyclists down...
Interesting - they just had her on another interview on Look East. Basically she's now calling the rider a liar saying he didn't fall off. That she stopped, assessed the situation and saw that he was upright on his bike. She also said she's receiving threats and people hurling abuse in the street of "cyclist killer".
Some conflicting details coming out on both sides of the story - but mainly on her side of the events.
[quote=prezet ]Interesting - they just had her on another interview on Look East. Basically she's now calling the rider a liar saying he didn't fall off.
And he also said he didn't fall off
It's not doing his case any good to change his story or that he failed to report it in the first place (yes - I know there's the thing about "why bother reporting it when you know nothing'll be done). If he'd reported the accident then the case for her having "left the scene" would be much stronger. Perhaps there's a lesson there for all of us.my right leg caught the front right wing. I was thrown up onto the bonnet, I hit the side of windsrceen and the wing mirror. I bounced back off the car and went through a hedge for about 20 metres. I managed to keep control of the bike; the back brake had locked on but I managed to rejoin the road and stop in the middle of it"
And she assessed that situation as it was ok? No need to stop?
Basically she's now calling [s]the rider[/s] herself a liar saying he didn't fall off.
Remind me what exactly she wrote in her tweet?
Oh sorry, I'm forgetting that is completely unrelated.
I can only assume she's going for the angle of making it impossible to find an unbiased jury on this one.
According to this article: [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22636230[/url]
The car's wing mirror clipped him and he was launched from the bike into a hedge, he said.
her employer has just suspended her today it appears.
She's 'withdrawn' the tweet and said it was a silly mistake. Saying stupid stuff on the internet is not illegal.
If there are no independent witnesses or evidence then it's basically her word against the cyclists', I can see her not getting charged with Careless Driving/Accident and Failure to Stop because a conviction beyond reasonable doubt is unlikely on that basis.
It looks like Failure to Report has a 24 hour time limit, did she report in time?
This may come to nothing, and it seems we all need to be running cameras on our helmets from now on.
[quote=mattjg ]
It looks like Failure to Report has a 24 hour time limit, did she report in time?
Neither did the cyclist. Should both be charged?
I don't know I'm not a lawyer.
mattjg »
It looks like Failure to Report has a 24 hour time limit, did she report in time?Neither did the cyclist. Should both be charged?
the duty to report under the RTA is for the drivers of motorised vehicles, there is no such duty upon cyclists.
[quote=smiffy ]
the duty to report under the RTA is for the drivers of motorised vehicles, there is no such duty upon cyclists.
Really? Thanks for that. Might be worth bearing in mind for the future.
There was enough on on timeline to do her for using a mobile phone while driving.
"if i'd have know it would ever get this far the stupid tweet wouldn't have been posted to be honest."
Yes I believe you are being honest, you have convinced me that the bad publicity is all you give a **** about.
"I stopped, looked in my rear, assessed the situation... and [u]saw that there was no reason to stop[/u]"
wha???
To be fair, the only person who seems to have changed their story (after the event when being interviewed etc) is the cyclist.
Everything she has said in interviews seems to have remained the same, but the guys story seems to be a bit ......... fluid ?
She may have said something different in her tweet, but that's not really going to make any difference in a legal sense is it. His story changing probably would.
Everything she has said in interviews seems to have remained the same, but the guys story seems to be a bit ......... fluid ?
What has he changed in his story? Can't find anything else other than the original leg hit front wing thing
Yes, but she hasn't said anything at all for 2 days, probably a shrewd move, and allows her to see appraise how much is known, but hearing her speak I don't think she's that clever, just how things turned out.
Cyclist story I'm not sure I follow quite how he went on the bonnet and then carried on riding, through a hedge for 20 meters, from an oncoming car, but we haven't seen her wing mirror/car yet either of course.
"I stopped, looked in my rear, assessed the situation... and saw that there was no reason to stop"wha???
could be paraphrased as "I stopped, assessed the situation, and saw that I needn't have stopped"
sloppy wording. not an offense.
From road.cc
he was thrown on to the bonnet of her car and then bounced off, going through a hedge and in a fine piece of bike handling managing to regain controls of his machine and stopMr Hockley had decided to take no further action, "you count your limbs and carry on" he memorably told us. This being a digitally connected age though he did leave respond to Ms Way's tweet by posting a message to her Facebook page.
"Oh hi! That was me you hit and FYI, [b]you didn't knock me off[/b], I'm too hard to be hurt by a pissy micra or whatever it was you were driving."
I've popped info@larking-gowen.co.uk an email voicing my opinion: that her suspension remains a permanent fixture, and that I would not be looking towards Larking and Gowen at any time whilst she is in employment there.
She seems a right doris and she deserves to get publicly shamed for what she has done.
It doesn't matter what she says on TV, it will be the statement that she gave to the Police that counts.
IF this goes to court and IF she gives a different version of events there, then the prosecuting barrister will have a field day.
Probably been said - but suddenly she has a very expensive looking lawyer and her story suddenly plays down the whole affair - the issue is she could have killed a cyclist and tweeted to make out the cyclist shouldn't have been there in the same was as a wasp at a picnic.
What has he changed in his story? Can't find anything else other than the original leg hit front wing thing
It's been mentioned in this thread already but I'm on my phone and haven't got time to look for it now. But there are some changing details in his accounts of what happened.
"Oh hi! That was me you hit and FYI, you didn't knock me off, I'm too hard to be hurt by a pissy micra or whatever it was you were driving."
And that's not going to help either is it.
could be paraphrased as "I stopped, assessed the situation, and saw that I needn't have stopped"sloppy wording. not an offense.
true, but much of what she says has been sloppily worded...
"I've had people drive past me calling me a killer cyclist." 😕
At least she wasn't chewing gum this time...
Pretty weak interviewing too, presumably negotiated by the newly acquired siamese lawyer - no mention of other tweets on her feed showing speeding and phone use while driving.
Bet she'll be on big brother soon.
Does she have any regrets?
Does she regret hitting the cyclist?
Does she regret her obvious ignorance of the Highway Code?
Does she regret tweeting offensive remarks?
No, she regrets it has gone this far. Pond life.
she regrets the mistake
Wow, just seen the BBC interview. It's like a 3 minute cringe and she just looks angry. Not sure the second hand car salesman - cum - lawyer is helping either. Methinks it's aimed at mums who have daughters of the same age. Not sure why the lawyer is getting involved in this PR stunt though. Surely it would be a tribunal with a judge, not jury? Anyone?
Just thinking though, we don't actually have any conclusive evidence that she was in the wrong (on the road, leading up to the collision)
She posted a stupid tweet online.
He responded apparently.
But we have no idea who was actually the person in the wrong on the road do we ?
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences/#P71_3529
Reading the above, I'd guess failing to talk to the cyclists at the scene would constitute "failure to stop". A check in the rear view mirror wouldn't be enough.
Anyway, we're not lawyers and we don't know. Let's see what happens.
[quote=nealglover ]Just thinking though, we don't actually have any conclusive evidence that she was in the wrong (on the road, leading up to the collision)
She posted a stupid tweet online.
He responded apparently.
But we have no idea who was actually the person in the wrong on the road do we ?
Indeed. But this is a forum populated by many cyclists so guess where the sympathy lies?
Some time ago, I posted a story about a cyclist running into the back of my wifes stationery van. I got many responses suggesting she was lying, had pulled over in front of the cyclist etc etc etc. The fact that I actually spoke to the guy afterwards and he admitted he'd not even been looking was irrelevant 😆
Not sure why the lawyer is getting involved in this PR stunt though. Surely it would be a tribunal with a judge, not jury? Anyone?
Probably to make it difficult to charge her in court.
She's appeared on TV, she's become "known", she's said sorry...
A good lawyer could probably now argue that she can't get a fair trial or it's not in the public interest to prosecute cos she's [s]cried crocodile tears[/s] said sorry.
nealglover -
No, we only have cyclist's story that she came across the side of the road.
And her tweet saying she'd hit a cyclist, which only implied that she'd left the scene.
Not sure the photo of her breaking the speed limit would be considered as it's a separate incident.
But as you can tell, I'm no lawyer
Yep, its such an obvious attempt at manipulation its ****ing abhorrent!
I've a horrible feeling she's gonna get off without charges.
On the flip side, she has ****ed up the rest of her life.
[quote=uselesshippy ] she has **** up the rest of her life.
I'm not so sure.
On the flip side, she has **** up the rest of her life.
nahh, next 6 months at the most, can you even remember the name of catbin lady?
I think the parts of her tweet "Definitely knocked a cyclist off" - rather than "cyclist hit my mirror and wobbled off"
and also "I have right of way" - which seems very confusing unless he was on her side of the road or she was avoiding cones
plus the whole thing followed by "#bloodycyclists" might be hinges that this case swings on.
I think the interviews are the lawyer's attempt to overcome what looks like a pretty black and white case, given the above.
Yep, its such an obvious attempt at manipulation its **** abhorrent!
The worst thing is that if she gets let off it'll say to drivers everywhere:
Look, you can run a cyclist over, boast about it in public and GET OFF SCOT FREE!
Whereas what needs to happen is the exact opposite - she should be hauled up for what seems (based on her own photos and tweets) to be consistent bad driving, sent to jail for a couple of years then made to ride a bike for the rest of her life.
[i]But this is a forum populated by many cyclists so guess where the sympathy lies? [/i]
It is STW though so I would have expected a lot more people changing their minds once they've seen her.
Have the Police charged her yet?
[quote=samuri ]But this is a forum populated by many cyclists so guess where the sympathy lies?
It is STW though so I would have expected a lot more people changing their minds once they've seen her.
😆
Really? her twit pic makes a her ok, but on the TV interviews the phrase "Face like a slapped arse" has been coming to mind.
I can't contain myself any longer.... is no one going to play on the fact that this aggressive bint launched her chariot at the Iceni in the Boudica Sportive?
unklehomered - Member
Really? her twit pic makes a her ok, but on the TV interviews the phrase "Face like a slapped arse" has been coming to mind.
........perhaps, but it's the incessant "I've been wronged, pity me!" whiny voice that's starting to rankle.
No, we only have cyclist's story that she came across the side of the road.
And she says the opposite. So there's not much going to happen there unless there is an independent witness ?
I think the parts of her tweet "Definitely knocked a cyclist off" - rather than "cyclist hit my mirror and wobbled off"
and also "I have right of way" - which seems very confusing unless he was on her side of the road or she was avoiding cones
plus the whole thing followed by "#bloodycyclists" might be hinges that this case swings on.
None of that is really relevant to any "case" though.
She just says she was showing off to her mates who don't like cyclists, and then says what really happened (from her point of view)
They are both saying the other was at fault as far as I can see ?
And they have both posted daft tweets online that don't exactly make either of them look great.