[Closed] Lee Quarry - Travelllers in the car park?? (gypsy content)

Think they were there last night too. a friend's words were "Avoided picking up any mooty gold or a dag from the [s]pikeys[/s] Irish Travellers at the bottom of the hill".
I'd not want to leave my car unattended with any valuables in but then I'm obviously massively prejudiced.

They've been there in the past when the brownbacks race was on and there were no issues at all.

What difference will it make if they're still there? They're only looking for somewhere to camp for a few nights.
They aren't all bad you now. And they wont try to steal from, rape or eat you.
If you start a conversation hey will answer in a dignified and intelligent mannor.
Enjoy your ride and dont let this stop you.

Can someone get me some pegs and lucky heather please.

Well never had any like that be me,

maybe they can tarmac the road up to the gate!

Never had any issue when I have left my car there , I do actually smile and talk to them / the kids though...this is where I may be going wrong.

I would suspect they are more likely to look after your car as any trouble, plod turns up and they are going to start think they did it anyway.

Spot who hasn't ever had first hand experience with mucky gypos.

"maybe they can tarmac the road up to the gate!"
😀

I used to have a liberal, understanding approach towards travellers - until I had to deal with them!
Maybe they are not all bad and it's only the ones you meet who are!?

maybe they can tarmac the road up to the gate!

and carry on all the way up to the bowl....that start bloody kills me every time.

Spot who hasn't ever had first hand experience with mucky gypos

What difference will it make if they're still there? They're only looking for somewhere to camp for a few nights.
They aren't all bad you now. And they wont try to steal from, rape or eat you.

There speaks someone who's never enjoyed the infinite delights of their company, first hand.

We had a lovely walk inthe countryside around home recently. The experience was only slightly spoiled by the piles of human shit all over the footpaths, and mountains of rubbish fly-tipped in all the local fields and rivers by those charming Romany traveler types.

When we got back we went for a pint at the local, It'd just been broken into. The police turned up and informed us to make sure we secure all gates and gardens, as thefts from outbuildings had gone 'through the roof' since our delightful new guests had arrived.

People don't exactly love them, not just because of some sort of blind prejudice, but for some very sound, factual, evidence based reasons, that they tend to come away with when you actually encounter them in the flesh

Don't be so naive!!!!

They've been served an eviction notice and will be moved on by the weekend.

They've been served an eviction notice and will be moved on by the weekend.

there go the extra marshals.

Racism towards gypsies?....this one really annoys me as just about every gypsy i've met has looked the same as me....white, northern european etc....at which point did they become a different race?....if i sell my house and live in a caravan does my race change too?....exactly how many generations should live a traveller lifestyle before a family is entitled to change 'race' and call themselves gypsies?....cobblers.

Minority group?....yes, not a different race though....a black gypsy would be a different race to a white gypsy but gypsies together do not constitute a race of people.

I know, lets give homosexuals their own race too!

Well, according to current laws, they are a separate 'race', but then that same law makes paedophiles (those that find pre-pubescent children sexuality attractive but have committed no offences) a separate race!

😯

As a group (huge generalisation) i'v efound them to be at the polar extremes of the best and worst you can find in the general population.
In my private life i have Traveller mates, and dealing with their mfamilies and mates i have found them to very honourable and honest.
But with work the total opposite, all of the stuff mentioned above bu others. Dumping tonnes of asbestoes in one of our yrads was the worst, but at least it wasn't in the street.
Plus how hard can it be to dig a hole to shit in?

We had a gypsy look after our car in Palermo, Sicily. Local policeman told us that it's probably the best 5e we could have spent. Cheaper than the carpark and the parking wardens give the cars they're looking after a wide berth. Apparently a guaranteed zero-crime zone as long as you weren't a dick about the fact gypsies were running the parking scheme there or mouthed off to them.

Parents had some camped on the other side of their wall in France too. Really nice people but were treated like crap by a lot of the other locals.

Makes you wonder who the wrong-uns are really 😉

Some gypsy traveller bastards stole my Enduro. So i'll be staying well clear of them.

It is against my religion to pay taxes too....

"We had a gypsy look after our car in Palermo, Sicily. Local policeman told us that it's probably the best 5e we could have spent. Cheaper than the carpark and the parking wardens give the cars they're looking after a wide berth."

I believe that is known as a protection racket!!

You probably met some really lovely mafia people as well? 😉

People don't exactly love them, not just because of some sort of blind prejudice, but for some very sound, factual, evidence based reasons, that they tend to come away with when you actually encounter them in the flesh

Don't be so naive!!!!

but gypsies together do not constitute a race of people

but then that same law makes paedophiles (those that find pre-pubescent children sexuality attractive but have committed no offences) a separate race!

well i didnt really want to spark a debate about gypsys, only to see if there would be space to park a car!

but anyway, good news that they will be gone by the weekend

Here comes the.....

Here comes the.....

Here comes the.....

Here comes the.....

Here comes the.....

BANHAMMER!

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I believe that is known as a protection racket!!

Well. Yes. However I can't decide if paying someone not to screw your car over is better than paying for parking where there are great big signs saying "Not our fault if someone robs your car".

Had a few experiences with gypsies/travellers/romanies. Some good, some bad. Certainly they have their share of fly-tippers and thieves, but then again, so do most council estates I've had the misfortune to live on over the years. So, are they any worse than your local scrote population? Probably not, they're just more visible, that's all.

retro, that gif is superb! I can only begin to imagine how often that could/should be used on here!

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Perhaps crimes in the areas up their activities because nice reasonable folk like you will just blame the gypsies for every single crime that happens in the area

Or perhaps there's a more obvious explanation? Just a thought. I know your strongly held believes won't allow you to countenance such a 'Daily Mail' explanation, but maybe you should give it a little thought, before dismissing it.

What you're suggesting is that all the local ner-do-wells keep their heads down until a band of travelers turn up to act as a suitable scapegoat? Or perhaps the unsavoury, non-ethnic minority, less persecuted criminals follow them around, just far enough back so they're not spotted, to take advantage of the rich pickings on offer. As Cantona would probably have it: like seagulls following the trawler, waiting for sardines to be thrown into the sea? 😀

And do they then go and poo everywhere just to make it look convincing?

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Or perhaps there's a more obvious explanation? Just a thought. I know your strongly held believes won't allow you to countenance such a 'Daily Mail' explanation, but maybe you should give it a little thought, before dismissing it.

I did not leave a mess and for sure some do...however the fact that you cannot take a van into a municipal tip and the fact the council no longer provided sites/refuse points are also responsible factors in this.

many marginalised groups - chavs, poor black inner london yoofs etc can equally get tarred with this bruish.

As with all walks of life some of it is true and some of it hysteria.
Nice use of Cantona it actually made sense

however the fact that you cannot take a van into a municipal tip and the fact the council no longer provided sites/refuse points are also responsible factors in this.

Hire a skip.

Hire a skip.

Why should they? Its the duty of the local council to provide them with these facilities. After all, they pay their hard-earned taxes for this kind of thing.......

oh....

erm....

hang on a minute.....

Junkyard - no, it wasn't aimed at you sweetie...

As a group (huge generalisation) i'v efound them to be at the polar extremes of the best and worst you can find in the general population.
In my private life i have Traveller mates, and dealing with their mfamilies and mates i have found them to very honourable and honest.
But with work the total opposite, all of the stuff mentioned above bu others. Dumping tonnes of asbestoes in one of our yrads was the worst, but at least it wasn't in the street.

+1

Met some that work hard as anyone general labouring etc. but met others that are only out to steal gates etc.

IME it's nice to give the benefit of the doubt where possible..

Sadly my experience of travellers/gypsies/call them what you will amounts to 15 years of threats, violence, theft & intimidation..

I would stay away, but hey each to their own.

WRT the police.
In my experience, the police discriminate [b]in favour[/b]of travellers because of a fear of being accused of harassment/racism.

Travellers that I have had dealings with get away with things that any other person would be arrested for.

Normally I agree about giving the benefit of the doubt, but "100 times bitten, extremely forkin' shy" as the saying might go.

however the fact that you cannot take a van into a municipal tip and the fact the council no longer provided sites/refuse points are also responsible factors in this.

No. Your ****, your responsibility to sort it out.

I am not defending anyone from littering but if you want it to stop you will need to provide facilities for pretty obvious reasons.

Do you think our streets and countryside would be cleaner or dirtier if the council did not collect our bins?

Hire a skip.

Binners than god no one in a house is untidy and thankfully a quick walk down any street in britain or after a festival or large gathering shows you that house dwellers dont litter.

I cannot be arsed juts doing the polar opposite of your view...Yes some gypsies are untidy and so are some folk who live in houses, eat at Mc donalds or buy a pizza.

No idea if you're trolling or not, but I'll bite anyway.

I am not defending anyone from littering but if you want it to stop you will need to provide facilities for pretty obvious reasons.

Do you think our streets and countryside would be cleaner or dirtier if the council did not collect our bins?

[i]Do you think our streets and countryside would be cleaner or dirtier if [b]we paid council tax and therefore [/b] the council [s]did not[/s] collect[b]ed[/b] our bins? [/i]

Junkyard,

Van's are allowed to go to municipal dumps - if they pay to dump.
Non-travellers pay council tax which funds the dumps in the first place. Travellers don't pay council tax, so they have to pay when the go to the dump.

Do you think our streets and countryside would be cleaner or dirtier if the council did not collect our bins?

Are you familiar with the concept of paying collectively for services we use collectively as a society? Its been around for a while. The services like refuse collection etc are payed for by a system called taxation. To expect to benefit from this, its generally expected that you contribute in some way

local paper is reporting that they are not moving and will go to court. the only issue for me is there taking up parking spaces, i never get any issues from them and they seem pleasent enough.

No, if YOU want to stop it YOU don't litter, like to the dog poo fairy, the fact the collection system doesn't exist doesn't excuse leaving it behind

Thank god we still have one group left in society to demonise
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Don't be daft! There are loads of groups left in society to be demonised

But you seem to be working on the assumption that if any group is demonised then they need should be championed and supported, without asking any frighfully awkward questions about WHY they're demonised?

A sort of Ken Livingstone approach to hate-filled Islam-o-nutters. Just because the Daily Mail says they're ****s, doesn't automatically mean that they're not

Pretty much every time the travellers come to town tools dissappear from our workshop and vans, coincidence? Me thinks not as they've already been down a day or two previous to have a nosey round for "scrap", just wandering into the workshop and their eyes are darting around all over the place, clocking where our tackle is. I'm not nasty to em cos i dont want any bother but i won't give em owt any more, we used to have a right nice lad come and take our scrap for about 6 months then he came and took a load and never came back wi the brass, shot himself in the dick there. As has been said before, 100+ times bitten, very bleeding shy.

ive never met an honest traveller in 22 years of police work, and ive met a lot of travellers
thats my experience

I don't like any people turning up anywhere and leaving a load of rubbish and excrement when they leave.
ie. Sh*tting on somebody else's doorstep.

Nor do I like any people stealing.
[b]
I dislike these things whether they are carried-out by people who live in houses with wheels or without.[/b]

[i]If[/i] the perpetrators are 'travelling folk' who have chosen to opt-out out of society and all the benefits and responsibilities that entails, I do not buy the argument that that they should be free to do whatever they wish. Many of these people appear capable of keeping their caravans clean, but many also appear incapable of using a bin and have no issues with making somebody else's property a mess.

I have noticed that 'permanent' Traveller sites (oxymoron?) are often very tidy. ie. The people using those facilities presumably don't sh*t on their own doorsteps. I've always wondered whether those same people tidied up after themselves when they were travelling, before they became 'non-travellers'.

The 'race' thing is peculiar as the ones I've encountered appear physically very similar to other northern Europeans and tend to speak with pseudo-Irish accents.

had a fantastic experience with a group of travellers on private land
about 20 caravans, owners calls police asks them to leave his land, which he wanted to build on
The head gyppo turns up and starts to spout they have rights, and they would get the gypsy council solicitors involved, told the owner it would take months to move them, and then went back to his caravan.
the landowner gets into a JCB which was parked on the site, fires it up and starts to dig a trench.
top gyppo comes back asking what ws going on, landowner tells him he is digging a trench round the caravans.
Head gyppo looks at us(police) for support
we tell him its a ncivil matter, landowner still digging trench
20 gyppo caravans move off the site in 10 mins,with their thieving tails beteen their legs
job done
Thats justice!

ive never met an honest traveller in 22 years of police work, and ive met a lot of travellers
thats my experience

Wow copper in meeting criminal shocker....I worked in a dole office once and never met anyone who worked and yet I never met a traveller.

But you seem to be working on the assumption that if any group is demonised then they need should be championed and supported, without asking any frighfully awkward questions about WHY they're demonised?

I do not buy the argument that that they should be free to do whatever they wish.

I have noticed that 'permanent' Traveller sites (oxymoron?) are often very tidy. ie. The people using those facilities presumably don't sh*t on their own doorsteps.

The 'race' thing is peculiar as the ones I've encountered appear physically very similar to other northern Europeans and tend to speak with pseudo-Irish accents

junkyard
you wont meet atraveler in a dole ofice, they dont pay a penny into the system, so they cant claim anything

Easygirl,

You're not in Fife by any chance - as I know an identical story?

.....about the JCB

Shame the topries removed the council responsibilities to proivide sites eh

I'll accept that a lot of councils do provide them, but why [i]should[/i] they provide sites to people? Especially if they stay for a long time.

If I wish to stay somewhere I get my money out and pay the market rate for the privilege. I'm not sure how much the council charge the travellers.

try sitting in a 80 year old widows house who has been conned out of £20k for gardening work that has never been carried out, and tell me they are quaint romany folk who wander the country picking mushrooms and singing round a campfire

no im in bolton, and its not a tale, i was there, it really happened
1994

It also happened in Fife last year.

There is nothing wrong with Travellers. They always leave where ever they have stayed exactly how they've found it. No old pallets, piles of rubbish or rubble. No sir, nothing.

JY - You know that Chinese proverb 'My enemies enemy is my friend'? Guess what? Its horse-shit!!!

Ask the US State Dept.

People are coming up with their own real world examples of the traveling community, whereas you appear to be going LA-LA-LA NOT LISTENING. They're all as honest as the day is long, when this is patently not the case

In the example I touched on earlier, a couple of the travellers came into our local and had a couple of pints. It was a sunday afternoon. They got no grief off the regulars (despite them trying to turn the close surroundings into an open sewer) and the landlord is a great bloke (I ride with him regularly), chats to them at the bar. After they've left, he notices splinters on the floor. Turns out all the window locks had been jimmeyed off at the back, from the inside obviously

In preparation for a return visit later on, after last orders?
Or nothing to do with them? Just purely coincidence? It was probably one of the regulars. Might even have been me. Who knows. Its a mystery, and no mistake

Is it time for the pitchforks yet?

Been trying to avoid getting involved with this one as I spent a good while working with Travellers. But hey I couldn't not!
The race thing-- Romany Travellers are descended from groups of nomads who made their way from India over many centuries arriving in Europe c12th century, to Britain in the 16th, 17th c. So yes they don't usually look very Indian but they have intermarried for about 5 centuries. They did have their own language which in the UK remains in the form of slang and cant but is still spoken by Romanies abroad.
Now the social part, obviously I worked with the bottom end of traveller Society as the better off ones sorted themselves out, rather like our own dear society. However, 100% of the males over 14 that I knew had a criminal record. Some of them were nice people and yes I would trust them personally but perhaps not in a business capacity.
The worst local family were said to be the biggest criminals in the area by the police but they terrified all the other Travellers too.
So , yes lots of bad hats but lots of normal people.
[If you live on a site, you have to pay council tax]

[i]JY[/i]-

I cannot be arsed juts doing the polar opposite of your view...

Denying your raison d'etre by any chance? 😉

Go on chap, it's always good for a giggle 😀

Junkyard

I live in accrington which is pretty near to lee quarry and we have loads of sites purpose built for travellers so they have no excuse in east lancashire.

Romany Travellers are descended from groups of nomads who made their way from India over many centuries arriving in Europe c12th century, to Britain in the 16th, 17th c. So yes they don't usually look very Indian but they have intermarried for about 5 centuries.

Is it the case that there are 2 distinct 'groups' of people who just happened to both live(d) in caravans?

Irish travelling workers and Romany people?
If you have to go back a very long way and there was actually a lot of inter-marrying then the argument for a distinct race is not strong though.

Does only one of these groups have the problems described in this thread?

I wouldn't have thought there was that much inter-marrying as I can't imagine that many of the wider population would want to join the travelling community.

junkyard
you wont meet atraveler in a dole ofice, they dont pay a penny into the system, so they cant claim anything

try sitting in a 80 year old widows house who has been conned out of £20k for gardening work that has never been carried out,

whereas you appear to be going LA-LA-LA NOT LISTENING. They're all as honest as the day is long, when this is patently not the case

I live in Chorley so i am lancashire based

All the sites are settled and movers cant /dont wish to settle. There ae no sites for travling travellers as a rule. There are houses in accy so no reason to be homeless

I dont think this argument will go anywhere I really am out - and not just because I am hideoulsy outnumbered.

My most recent experience of travellers; They pitched up on the carpark opposite where I used to work on an industrial estate on the M5 corridor, two episodes of random blokes wandering around INSIDE our unit, few days later they dissapeared, found out a few days later that the empty factory unit opposite had got stripped of all its copper wiring and plumbing. But I'm sure it was a coincidence.

Thank gods we house dwelling folk never commit fraud and you have never been to a fraud by anyone who lived in a house.. I am not defending this but many folks commit crime.

So.... everyone who doesn't openly welcome travellers, and suspects they're a bit dodgy, or who finds islamic extremest preachers not the best people to be embracing, is now a card-carrying, Mail-reading UKIP or BNP supporter? Fantastic logic there fella.

I refer you to the Chinese proverb I mentioned earlier.

that of course a police officer does not know law abiding folk and only meets crimnals

they do know law abiding folk. They are often called victims.

So......... what tyres for caravans, then?

So......... what tyres for caravans, then?

Balding, perished ones usually! 😆

it's a self fulfilling prophesy really..
we hate the gyppos (who's ancestors have been sharing this green and pleasant land with us for as long as we've been here)

in fact, hating the gyppos is a fairly new thing..

anyway, we hate them, they get persecuted and as a result they learn to objectify us, then they treat us with the respect that we treat them and exploit us and rob us.. and so we hate them.. round and round endlessly

there was a time when nomadic people and settled folk had a fairly amicable and symbiotic relationship

I think some people confuse the Romany Gypsies with the Irish tinkers, the tinkers or gyppos as they are known are the one's which will steal everything that isn't nailed down, and if it is go home to get a claw hammer.

Anyone spot any slaves at this particular camp?

We deal with various Traveller groups across England.

Some are good, some are not.

If there are any welfare issues they'll be there for as long as they need.

That's the hedgehog population taking a hit