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Oh well. Lets add Alberto to the list of suspected dop... oh... wait.
It's okay though, cycling has moved on, we should stop looking at the past and realise that things are different now, and that unrepentant dopers no longer win races like the Olympics and the Vuelt... oh... wait
Does anyone have a picture of the guy dangling the steak on a fishing rod in front of Contador? 🙂
Now that Lance has been *convicted* by the UCI and had his 7 Tour *wins* stripped from him we can all now apply his logic in that we shouldn't believe a word that dirty doper says... after all what's sauce for the goose, etc....
Also, if you had read Tyler's book, you would see that he threw out all sorts of shit to try and get off the testing thing. Desperation me thinks... Dead fetal twin. Nice try... 😉
Plus one of the main reasons (as I see it) that Landis and Tyler persisted in their denials was a) they were being popped for the wrong thing (in their eyes, so infact innocent as charged) and b) they knew that the 2nd placed rider was just as dirty as them (I remember Landis complaining in an article somewhere that Pereiro was as dirty as him and he was denouncing him as a dirty doper and the sheer hypocrisy of it kinda made him carry on!).
Doesn't justify things, but explains a lot in my eyes.
Oh and Tyler's book is a cracking book. It may not have lifted the lid but bloody hell it laid it all bare! Read it in two sittings over a 24 hour period.
Bet this guy's having the last laugh....
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Lance is still the plaintiff
once a cheat, always a cheat.
He deserve to be fogotten.
Lance who??
It is a witch hunt in the truest sense of the phrase, regardless of what the real truth is.
Admit you're guilty and we'll charge you as guilty.
Claim you're innocent and we'll still charge you as guilty.
Those that admit doping get 6 months ban, those that don't get a lifetime ban. What about all the others who (probably) won the tour on drugs? If you've won 5 or less, then you can keep them regardless? Sorry, Lance, you've 'won' seven and that's taking a few more than you're allowed, so we're going to take them off you....???
It is a witch hunt in the truest sense of the phrase
What he us actually a witch and that is what they were looking for?
what other cyclists are you suggesting the American drug enforcement agencies should be after?What about all the others who (probably) won the tour on drugs?
If you have a criticism of scope i suggest you take it up with the UCI rather than regional organisation
Good luck
Lance is apparently a top class bully and intimidator going by very genuine-sounding accounts on the radio 5 programme last week. For that alone I have zero respect for him.
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It is a witch hunt in the truest sense of the phrase, regardless of what the real truth is.Admit you're guilty and we'll charge you as guilty.
Claim you're innocent and we'll still charge you as guilty.
Those that admit doping get 6 months ban, those that don't get a lifetime ban. What about all the others who (probably) won the tour on drugs? If you've won 5 or less, then you can keep them regardless? Sorry, Lance, you've 'won' seven and that's taking a few more than you're allowed, so we're going to take them off .
That's about the size of it. Lance is a scapegoat for the whole sorry business, being top of the tree , número uno he has attracted the most attention.
Clearly the USDA et al in that organisation have an agenda, as do all the folk who grassed. Yes you Hamilton with you million pound book deal.
I'm really embarrassed by some of the posts on here, it's like Lance has stole your lunch money when you were 5, seriously get a grip.
Hopefully when something really important comes along the stw massif will rally to the same degree, I doubt it mind.
Awww... my idol has feet of clay, and blood of a similar consistency.
It's so unfair that everyone is picking on him, the druggy cheating bullying lying faking poor lickle thing.
He had exactly the same chance as everyone else to come clean, but didn't.
He's used the shield of cancer until it has no effect.
He's going to get sued for a portion of the cash he won by doping.
Some of us have known that he was a fake for many years, you'll get to thinking the same way.
Clearly the USDA et al in that organisation have an agenda, as do all the folk who grassed.
Including his mates did you read hincappies testimony - it was still full of awe and admiration
Yes you Hamilton with you million pound book deal.
Just 24 more to go then.
When you have finished you will of course explain why LA would have no agenda to have lied - it not like being found out has cost him anything now is it so what did he have to loose
I'm really embarrassed by some of the posts on here, it's like Lance has stole your lunch money when you were 5, seriously get a grip.
I dont care what an irrational fool thinks about this issue though your increasingly bizzarre posts are amusing. I think there may be about 10 people left on the planet who share your view and LA aint one of them
Hopefully when something really important comes along the stw massif will rally to the same degree, I doubt it mind.
Therevis a thread on god - lies dont get much bigger than that
Someone with more organising skill than me should get a collection going for Kimmage so he can kick the UCI's arse when he goes to court with them. It will be our/the best chance of clearing out the trash.
http://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/paul-kimmage-on-tonights-off
(contains swearing)
It's really difficult to see how anyone could take Lance seriously since the Simeoni affair in 2004.
Lots of us have thought he was dirty for years, including lots of people on here. So for people whose delusions and illusions have been shattered in the last week to characterise this as a new bandwagon STW members are climbing on is just tosh.
It isn't a USADA witch hunt either. It is the kind of forensic dissection of Lance's MO that was necessary to get most people to understand that he really was a cheat.
It is brilliant to see the vindication of those non-riders or clean ex-riders who were bullied or persecuted by Lance. I do feel ambivalent about the doping riders who have testified. Shame they didn't MTFU.
And yes, the UCI needs a top down stable-cleansing.
Like this one?
LOL brilliant. I'll send him a tenner.
Clearly the USDA et al in that organisation have an agenda,
So, rather than sounding like Kaesae, how about you tell us what that agenda is?
Direct link to the Kimmage Defence Fund here: http://cyclismas.chipin.com/paul-kimmage-defense-fund
It's almost at $70k now.
Junkyard you don't even know what my view is, I would appreciate you cutting out he personal attacks else the reports will be going in and no doubt the banning stick will come out. It's not compulsory to post every time I do.
I think their agenda is to catch and punish drug cheats of the American persuasion BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY but they don't put that on the website.
Junkyard you don't even know what my view is,
Well you say pro LA stuff on every thread about it and attack and mock those who I assume you disagree with.
I would appreciate you cutting out he personal attacks
Fair point I could have worded it nicer for you just like you could have worded your original quoted bit nicer.
else the reports will be going in and no doubt the banning stick will come out.
Please feel free to report the posts as you see fit.
It's not compulsory to post every time I do.
It is if you address the post to me though 😉
I'm happy to play tag team with you in answering Lance enablers if that stops them complaining about people stalking them.
Anyone seen anything about Chris Carmichael? As he claims to be Lances coach for those years what's happened to him?
Apologies if it is in another post.
Lance enablers
Hey! That's my line 😆
Anyone seen anything about Chris Carmichael? As he claims to be Lances coach for those years what's happened to him?
Hamilton mentions in the interview that coach Carmichael was a bit of joke. Ferrari was the coach...
USADA do have an agenda:
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognized USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."Since its inception in 2000, USADA has worked to preserve the integrity of competition, inspire true sport and protect the rights of athletes in the Olympic and Paralympic movement in the United States. With the vision to be the guardian of the values and life lessons learned through true sport, our organization's anti-doping programs are comprehensive, including in-competition and out-of-competition testing, results management and adjudication processes, drug reference resources and therapeutic use exemption process, scientific research initiatives, and athlete and outreach education. We continue to work to improve our system and anti-doping endeavors to further protect clean athletes and the health of future athletes.
As a non-profit, non-governmental agency, our programs:
Provide deterrence and preservation of sport for athletes, coaches, students, teachers, parents, scientists and more through education and resources;
Include numerous protections for athletes to ensure that only athletes who are guilty of a doping violation are sanctioned;
Strive to systematically identify and sanction those individuals who are engaged in the effort to gain an advantage over athletes who are competing clean; and
Fund pioneering research for the detection of doping substances and techniques, and the pursuit of scientific excellence in doping control.
Sounds like a pretty good mission statement