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Still seems to have a lot of support out there.
The man will always be a LEGEND to many
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[i]The man will always be a LEGEND to many [/i]
A legend for getting away with it for so long, at least.
what's a fucing man?
My aunt had cancer that on the third time of coming back gave up on life and treatment, I lent her its not about the bike , it inspired her enough to restart the fight , she has now been clear for quite a few years, for that I'm eternally thankful and I'm sure I'm not the only one 😉
And at the end of the day who in the last 'insert any figure here' in the pro peleton has been riding clean ?
Why did this need another thread? What's wrong with the other Lance threads?
I think hopk1ns wanted a wider audience for his link posting skills 😉
Oooooh a bandwagon!
*jumps on*
zzzz... come on, if you're going to trot out these trite statements, at least make us think they're tongue in cheek. Not everyone doped. People left rather than dope. Armstrong is, at the very least, a bully who forced men who spoke out against doping out of cycling. Given the evidence he's a lot worse than that even.
I don't have an issue with people who say that his story (as fake as a lot of it is) helped them through cancer but he's most certainly not a hero or "the man"
He was still a bloody amazing cyclist.
well, until he';d started doping he'd managed to finish the TdF in 1 of 3 attempts and got 35th place on that occasion.
Amazing cyclist, inspiration to millions
Scapegoat of the century
He's won the Tour as many times as my mum.
Bully, liar, fake and coward.
Hmmm 'Singletrack World'?
shouldnt we all be talking about mountain biking or something? 🙄
That Steve Peat - Now he's a REAL hero.
wow crikey what is happening to you
[i]shouldnt we all be talking about mountain biking or something?[/i]
unless we're selling road bikes in the classifieds? 😉
wow crikey what is happening to you
Come on juan, everyone likes throwing tomatoes at the bad guy!
wrecker - MemberHe was still a bloody amazing [s]cyclist[/s] [u]cheat[/u].
Who knows how mediocre he would have been without the drugs?
unless we're selling road bikes in the classifieds?
Haha! the will be a mass selling of road filth now
Yeah but you a model of moderation I am deeply shocked 😉
He is a disgrace to any sport and an outright cheat and in general.
He was still a bloody amazing [s]cyclist[/s] cheat.
FFS. They all cheated. It's a filthy sport. People are actually fans of David Millar now which I find incredible. In some races, the next rider in who had no connection to doping was 14th!!
Level playing field as far as I'm concerned and nobody will change my mind on that.
Juan, have a look at the Planet X Dirty Disco before you buy a cross bike... I like the look of them..
[i]Level playing field as far as I'm concerned[/i]
not for the rider who was 14th.
not for the rider who was 14th.
Absolutely. But it is the fault of the first 13 riders, not any one of them alone.
so it wasn't a level playing field then?
It's amusing how the STW sheep will turn en masse once a few people get behind something.
Lance is a hero!! Yeah!! he couldn't possibly be a drugs cheat!!
6 months later: Lance is a cheat, bully and a liar!! Yeah!! I can't believe he got away with it for so long!!
Reminds me of episodes of the Simpsons. Mob rule.
wrecker - Member
Level playing field as far as I'm concerned and nobody will change my mind on that.
I think it's well established that different people respond differently to doping, different racers doped differently, LA probably had the "best" doping going etc...
...but don't let any of that trouble your thinking-free little world.
that's the thing with being betrayed by someone you looked up to though, kudos100, you don't just shrug and carry on - you feel aggreived.
To folk who say "my aunt/wife/mother had cancer and he was an inspiration" (I'm one of you, BTW)... the simple fact of the matter is that he was useful to you at the time you/they were ill, as you/they were to him for the minutes it took you to buy his book/wristband or whatever. His interest in you ended there, as yours in him should have ended once you'd recovered. Surely you can now see him for what he is? Today's cancer patients will certainly not be drawing on him for inspiration. It's in the past, consign him to it and move on.
so it wasn't a level playing field then?
I believe it was. I don't actually believe any rider on the tours were clean in those days. When you have 13 out of 14 know to have doped, it's probable that the "clean" rider slipped through the net rather than did everything differently.
Just my opinion though.
...but don't let any of that trouble your thionking-free little world.
Free thinking more like. You're the one firmly on the bandwagon. Pathetic sheep.
the level playing field argument is complete rubbish - just silly
I've looked at his list of results, doesn't seem to have achieved much at all! Who is this unsuccessfully rider?
Amazing cyclist, inspiration to millions
Scapegoat of the century
Interesting sense of morality on display there from (I think) one of the people entrusted to uphold the law.
That Steve Peat - Now he's a REAL hero.
Agreed. Let's be honest in road cycling the main 'skill' is just being mega mega mega fit (very simplistic I know but essentially true). I don't see how someone who excelled at that by massively cheating is/was an 'amazing cyclist'.
Even if all the top DHers were doped up to the eyeballs doing something like Danny Hart's run at Champery requires massive skill and balls, the drugs wouldn't give anyone that. They are more deserving of being called an amazing cyclist and an inspiration IMO than a liar, thug, and a cheat.
Crickey you do know i won't buy on-line 😉
Plus the kona is green 😀
Even if all the top DHers were doped up to the eyeballs doing something like Danny Hart's run at Champery requires massive skill and balls, the drugs wouldn't give anyone that. They are more deserving of being called an amazing cyclist and an inspiration IMO than a liar, thug, and a cheat.
Now that's where I can agree. Road cycling is for cheating bastards who are good at being fit.
MTBing is for gifted individuals with ample nerve and bucket fulls of talent.
i notice that someone on velominati called him 'lance pharmstrong'
which i found amusing.
the drugs wouldn't give anyone that.
You wouldn't bet on this would you.
I guess people feel like supporting someone who is being made a scapegoat for a sport that is rotten to the core. I guess that's what money does to a sport.
I love mountain biking they way it is and hope it never becomes a main stream sport as that just brings corruption.
Whether lance did or didn't most people are missing the point. This is about the sports persecution of one person and is wrong.
Bit carry on hating and missing the point
It's amusing how the STW sheep will turn en masse once a few of people actually read the evidence and the rest pick up the gist from the newspapers
it was one of those level playing fields where the 'best' kid was close to the adult with the whistle and the ball, so lots of other kids werent allowed to play at all.
I think USADA would have gone after all the multi-time winners of the TdF who lived in the US and denied doping under oath in court with equal zeal, tbh.
Today's cancer patients will certainly not be drawing on him for inspiration. It's in the past, consign him to it and move on.
Why not? He survived cancer and went on to become a top athlete. Drug fuelled or not he achieved far more in life than virtually anyone here.
He doesn't stop being inspirational for this IMO.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/really-won-tours-lance-153516263.html
reading this it's hard to forgive this era for the amount of cheats taking part, however there were clean riders during this time including exciting riders like nardello and sastre who have demonstrated an ability to attack and win on difficult stages during the tour and other races.
lets not tar all riders from that era with the same brush please.
Whether lance did or didn't most people are missing the point. This is about the sports persecution of one person and is wrong.
Rubbish. The case is about more than Armstrong but the fact he's held himself up as a clean athlete and systematically lied, bullied and cheated to ensure he is one of the most recognisable faces on the planet (certainly in sport) ensure that attention is on him. Are you moaning about Ferrari, Bruyneel, del Moral, Celeya getting lifetime bans? No, it's Armstrong and the only reason you care about that is you bought into the lie.