[Closed] Kielder 100 Prep Thread

Nice round up - I was wondering about drop bags too, was thinking of putting some extra kit in there like spare disc pads and tubes incase I've used up the ones in my pack - obviously this is dependant on getting the drop bag back. anyone know about this?

7.5mph sounds easy dunnit - 🙄

bag drops - mine will have a spare tube - some energy food, a nunn tablet in each one and thats it really

Top stuff, thanks!!

Route profile does look 'lumpy' until the final big climb but I'm guessing this is last years route anyway so may well change.

Not sure what to put in my drop bag either... maybe we should have a large STW communal drop bag at each station full of cakes, sweets and pies?!

Crieky! that's a bit organised 🙂

Mine reads...

Bike? Check.
Pump tires up. Check.
Fit saddle bag. check
Stick stuff in pockets for the rules. Check
Stick food in checkpoint bags.Check

Ride a very long way when the man says go.

🙂

One of our guys finished 5th last year (he was the guy paying the piper in the article in the mag) - his summary:

Essential kit inspected before start: whistle, spare pads, tubes, space blanket, rain top, tools, food etc. Clouds of midges before the off. Hungry ones. "Neutralised" start behind a quad. Too slow and everyone is tripping over each other. Fire road. Uphill. The most effective way to spread out a pack before the singletrack. Dense pine forest shortly after dawn. Blair Witch Project. Wot no lights? Overgrown vehicle tracks. Downhill. Pinballing from one side of the ruts to the other. Too scared to brake hard. Not happy. Rocky fire road, 4-up timetrialling in the big ring and running out of gears on the descents. Skating over loose rocks sweeping from left to right through the bends. Better than telly. Leg aching climbs on sodden ground. I think I've seen that tree before. Newly completed "designer" singletrack: swoopy, grippy, wooded, bumps, jumps tabletops.... mmmm. Pity we won't see that again: one lap only. Fire road slog. Tyres too hard. Back stiffening up. Minutes of non-stop banked curvy boardwalk over windswept, heather covered moorland. Mist blowing across the border from England to Scotland. Distant wail of bagpipes and a lone piper against the skyline. Drop a few coins in his case, nod to the piper, back on the pedals. Steep sandy climbs where the granny ring wasn't small enough. Get off and push. Not faster but it's a change. Keep eating. River crossings where there should only be streams. No punctures. Please, no punctures. Eating more gels in one race than the rest of the year put together. Grinding gears, juddering brakes, sore back, soaked feet, caked legs. 60 miles to go. No Ibuprofen. Oh. Trees. More than you can shake a stick at. Uh? Doubletrack. Overgrown. Flooded. Riding at walking pace on the flat. Front wheel disappears below the water and everything else follows. At least it's a soft landing. Dodging bigger puddles to save the drivetrain and brakes form gritty water. New pads can't wear out in a day's riding. Can they? What's brown and sticky? A stick!. Laugh till it hurts. Too tired. No more than a mile of tarmac in 9 hours riding. Bracken, heather, wide open space. Don't miss a turning. Don't ever miss a turning. Chatting to fellow riders. "I live 20 miles form here. I never ride Kielder". Oh. Broken bottle cage from hours of hammering over rocky trails. Bottle down the jersey. Used gels tucked in the shorts; sticky ooze running down legs. Bloodshot eyes. Soaked kit. Blistered hands. Grazed, scratched, knees and elbows. Brake pads on the metal. Gears jumping. Back aching. Prunes for feet. 20 miles to go. Nearly there. Fellow rider getting tired. 100 miles on soaking trails and no rain. Thanks goodness! Final singletrack park and across the finish!!! A race that deserves the title "epic".

.....add's pain killers to pocket list.....

Also on last years map, the 80 mile point is a bout 2 miles from my hotel 😕 That's going to hurt!

from clubbers mates reveiw I might not bother if this rain persists 🙄

and what pain killers are best ❓

when he says "keep eating" ....what is he eating, gels? how many?

Is everyone sorted for accommodation? Taking the campervan but the "watch this space" extra camping doesn't seem to have popped up. Are there lots of opportunities to hide a campervan away in the woods?

Umm, wasn't last years course around 11000ft of climbing. If it's only 6000 this year then thats a relief

Added to my [b][u]THINGS TO TAKE[/u][/b] section
Nuun tablets
Paramol pain killers

The drop bag starts to make sense. A bag of gels and a spare tube (y)

@clubber's write up makes this sound like quite a challenge. Gulp.

you don't need a midge hood - they weren't [i]that[/i] bad last year - not when you're riding anyway. I was so knackered when i finished i didn't even notice them

I'm going to throw some stuff in a bag on Thursday night.

Bag drops I was going to put my own food and also a CO2 canister and tube in one incase of early mishap. The reason for my own food is that I can then pick what I want to eat and not rely on the sponsors products. I may also put some wetwipses and chamois creme somewhere in the 2nd third.

Must remember ibuprofen,

I'm carrying about 1 litre in a camel back and a small bottle of energy drink. I've lost bottles before up there as it's bumpy so make sure yours is secure or you have a contingency.

Small jacket will be a montane waterproof if it's going to be really wet or just a windproof it might be wet.

Midges aren't a problem if you are moving, they are unbearable if you stop.

Make sure you can change a tube quickly and while exhausted. I've rejected one set of tyres because struggled to get them on and off the rim.

Same with brakepads, make sure you aren't going to have any problems changing them. You will be changing them if it's wet. I've been through new pads in 4 hours up there in winter.

Carry some chain lube?

Large parts of the trails are rocky. Stones about the size of apples. Beats you up over time and your bike. So make sure things are secure and your tyres hard enough to not pinch on the downhills.
Not sure if I'm going for a top tube bag yet, makes storage and access of food easier.

After you have finished 100 miles you will be tired and hungry and likely cold and wet. Don't forget to do give some thought to just after the race.

My mate drove straight to Bristol afterwards and ran the Bristol half marathon the next day. Did a respectable time too (1:22). Nutter 😯

I wrote something [url= http://paul4stones.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/the-montane-kielder-100/ ]here[/url] and I went out about 10 days before last year (in the pouring rain) and took some photos [url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/30189432@N00/sets/72157622027919649/ ]here[/url].

It's still pretty dry up here at the moment. I was out last week on the now finished new blue trail and it was pretty good. I think last year we rode some of it but mostly 'backwards' if you know what I mean.

Still plenty of time for rain but apparently midges haven't liked the cold winter and dry summer. Doesn't mean they won't still be horrible tho' . . .

Carry some food. I was relying on one of the feed stations and hadn't used any bag drops but found just a few bananas and one gel when I got there (should have gone faster I know!)

Enjoy it - last year was brilliant.

Tracker - yes, plenty of hiding places (usually)

This could probably make a thread of its own, but what the heck - what tyres is everyone planning on using?

the fastest ones i have. Probably racing ralph 2.1 or similiar. Its not techy the course so the least rolling resistance the better

I'm probably kidding myself but there doesn't seem to be much more climbing than the South Downs Way, which I solo'd in 10hrs earlier in the year so add a blanket and a whistle and I'm sorted. Maybe drop some food so I don't have to carry it. Bike- will be on the 5, Nic up front Ralph out back- get on pedal till someone says stop.

oh maybe get some different mozzy rep as the last stuff I used melted my watch strap! Will test at 10 More in Moray!

Still haven't started training due to knee bother - nae bother (he quips, kidding himself). May have to just start and see how it goes.......

boxelder - ditto but for different reasons, and the weekend just gone one ride, bit or concrete making, brick and slab laying not the best training.

It's reet. 32:16. You'll love it.

bit or concrete making, brick and slab laying not the best training.

At least you'll resisit the blisters my soft hands are destined for.
Are you taking the van and parking inconspicuously?

Training is going terrible at the moment! Only managed to get an entry a couple of weeks ago.

First long ride wasa 38 miler. Got a migrane half way through but managed to finish despite feeling sick for most of it. Worst couple of hours I have ever spent on a bike as I couldn't see straight.

Second was this Friday. Thought bike up to Dales and bivvie. Managed to break my back wheel within 15 miles from home. Got wife to pick me up.

So my plan is to wing it and see.

Taking a 500ml bottle then a seat pack and a bum bag for other stuff. Don't want a bag on my back for all that time. May put a spare bottle in at cp's that i don't mind losing if people reckon there is a likelyhood of one bouncing out.

im now out .

firm date of the 16th for africa 🙁

just offloading my entry to a mate

duplicate

Is 500ml a "large" bottle? Its a bit vague in the list.

I haven't done anything over 5 hours yet, due to some injuries and time constraints. I was out in the Alps there and have done a mix of 4-5 hour road rides and 2-3 hour XC rides with some tough climbs. I reckon I have the pace in the legs but I haven't done as many long rides as I hoped. I'm doing some long steady routes over the next couple of weeks and then planning out the nutrition, as long as I finish I'll be happy.

I've hardly ridden an MTB these last months...

done loads of road stuff. 75/85 miles every sunday. did coast to coast in a day last month. getting out for big rides in august though, both on MTB and road. also doing 'bootcamp' style outdoor training once a week, great for strength, loosing a bit of excess flab and getting core strength up, which after 85 odd miles will be very important!

Large bottle = 750ml.

Are mp3 players allowed?

Tracker, I'll be in campervan to. We'll hide together 😆

For those who rode last year, I take it the course is all rideable? We won't be having to carry our bikes up/down over?

boxelder - staying at a campsite for a few days in the van 🙂 Probably take a car a too as that will be easier to get to and from the event as I suspect it will be busy.

What percentage of people usually complete this, anyone know?

Last year was the first - check the results.

-For those who rode last year, I take it the course is all rideable?

Yep, had to push one climb but only cause I was riding a SS

Any hints on SS gear ratios?

Thanks!

32:18 was fine & dandy

I'm not doing it, but it might be worth putting some clothing in a bag drop. A dry top always perks me up on rides.

What percentage of people usually complete this, anyone know?

Wasn't it something hideous like 40% completed it?
Its all rideable but its totally different to say a 10 or 12 hour event where your doing laps. Once your out there there's no pitting every lap to refill water bottle, grab more food, get mates to do mechanicals etc. Its all you for the 100 (more like 107 miles) miles.
Be wise and plan it correctly. Look at the distance between feeding stations, what type of stations they are etc. Can you ride for 25 miles with 1 water bottle, even the quick guys thats over 2 hours of cycling. What food will you need to consume in that period.
What stations are the bag drops at?. Can i get away with carrying 1 spare tube and having a spare in a bag drop?
Will i need a camelback, will i be more efficient without 1. Remember all thats extra weight that you might not need.
This race will push you more than you expect ( well it did me anyway). I've never bonked before, but now i know why i did it and if i do again how to handle it

I was DFL last year, in about 14 hours. My write up is here: http://mactually.co.uk/?p=339

The bulk of my training was from riding 5 miles a day getting to work. Other than that, I only managed one long ride a month most months. These varied from riding 25 miles on the road to a group ride and then riding back, to 90 mile road rides. I did all the longer rides on the rigid SS Inbred that I rode at Kielder.

I'd ridden just over 1200 miles in 2009 before Kielder. I did 200 miles a month in the three months before.

I discovered earlier this year that I'd not been managing my asthma as well as I should and that my peak flow was only 2/3 of what it should be. I was probably in a similar position at Kielder too.

I ran 32:17 (on 26" wheels), which was fine. Possibly a slightly higher gear would have been better - a little more uphill walking swapped for some more speed on the flats and downhills.

I used 2 700ml bottles. My plan for this year is to take two bottles but only fill one at the start, then fill the second when there are going to be bigger gaps between refills - last year, there was something like 28 miles from the final checkpoint to the finish.

I carried a warm top and food in a backpack. Most of the food made it back with me as I couldn't be bothered opening the bag to get it out. This year, I'm going for drop bags and food in pockets, plus refilling at the checkpoints. I'm pretty happy eating anything though; if you've a fussy belly you might want to take your own.

I think I used 2.2" Mountain Kings last year. Better rolling ones would be much better - the technical riding is all trail centre stuff, so nothing amazing needed. You'll appreciate fast rolling tyres on the fireroads.

I've ridden almost exactly the same distance this year as I had at the same time last year, but not as much in the last couple of months. I feel better though, possibly because I'm not in the middle of an asthma episode 🙂 I've not ridden as much as I'd have liked in the last couple of months, but I managed 65 miles off-road in 8.5 hours at Hit The North.

I should be riding the Ragley TD-1 that I rode at HTN too, which should be much better than the Inbred I rode last year. Still rigid and singlespeed, but lighter and with proper-sized wheels. Carbon forks should help too. Can't remember what the WTB tyres it has fitted, but they'll be perfect as they were great at HTN on the faster stuff and were fine for the mud too. 32:18.

From the oneblackdot race report link above, it says that 130 finished out of 200 starters.

IIRC the uber fast guys went super light and had no Camelbaks, just the usual stripped down kit of bottle, tube/levers/CO2 taped to the bike and food in pockets. But they go fast enough between stops not to use as much water as less speedy folk.

Personally I used a lightweight (OMM) pack with 10l of storage because, as commented above, "it's all you" and I prefer to have some potentially redundant kit (e.g. mech hanger, gilet, chain links, dry gloves) than not finish. Just like everything else in biking it's a risk/weight/price trade-off (Keith B gets optimisation! 🙂 ).

I am going to have a Wingnut. I'll probably not fill the bladder right up and will aim to drink a litre or 2 at each food stop. I'll be bringing a decent amount of spares, food and an MP3 player, I am just focussed on finishing and avoiding a bonk so I don't mind carrying a wee bit of extra food and water. I'll be doing it on flats, on a Spitfire, so I'm not likely to set any speed records.

Just off now to have a look. I'll take my camera in case the map is posted up again 🙂

dry gloves

Why? Will having wet hands stop you finishing? Really?

Maybe I am taking things from the fell running and mountain marathon style of things but set off with what you need. It is only a day of roughing it. If it doesn't fit in my bumbag or saddle pack it ain't coming with me.

Bearing in mind my camelback full with 3 litres is a 3rd of my entire bike weight.

Agree with the bike mech stuff though. Can be wet, hungry and thirsty and still finish but a broken bike is game over.