You can create groups on Strava and just compare with people you know.
Or just compare it to your own previous times to work out how you're progressing - that's mainly what I use it for.
I'm not going to be threatening too many KOM's (I've got one 2nd at the moment, a few top-10's but on some routes that are more commonly used by roadies I'm happy to be in the top 50!) for a while though!
This is dumb and shouldn't even make news.
Volenti non fit injuria.
Next?
My point exactly. Some folk can't seem to accept that racing doesn't necessarily mean everyone starting on the course at the same time.wwaswas - Member
> Any form of racing that encourages folk to take risks is dangerous.We'd better stop that World Cup Downhill for a start then - those Athertons etc take no end of risks to record a quick time and they're only racing against the clock not other people on the course at the same time.
Only last week we were lauding Mike Hall for his amazing "round the world" ride. Should someone beat that time, riding individually, is it any less of an achievement because it wasn't part of a race? If someone rides the West Highland Way in a "record" time and posts it on the internet for others to see, does that make him/her irresponsible by encouraging folk to do it even quicker?
Strava is only a tool. Responsibility for risk taking - as with any sport/activity - rests with the participant.
Not saying I agree but IIRC Guiness have banned (or no longer recognize, same difference) round the world records in certain categories due to the dangers. I think Nick Sanders doing it on an R1 in no time at all scared their lawyers...
Well I think it's just one of those wonders of the Internet age you can take or leave and get what you want from, prior to this I used to use trail guru which up and vanished taking a load of pics I took on a ride in the
Pyrenees with it. So with this incarnation I content myself with following winterfold and his hetracil avoiding roadie mates struggling with their mid lives and very entertaining it is to, a few of us are running book on the first heart attack, winterfold currently being odds on favourite.
It's really taken seriously now isn't it. I rode with some guys going for Strava times today. They had a driver pacing them. This was on the A41 near Aston Clinton.
Does Strava take that into account? i.e paced, group, wind direction, approach speed, standing start.
its all rubbish.........
except now im 13th on the notting hill descent and i got stuck behind a taxi
the leader is on 47 km/h which is pretty dangerous on such a busy road
As noted previously, it seems like 'racing' for the sportive generation. If you want to know how you measure up, get on the start line with a number on your back, put your ego on the line and show the world how good you really are.
I rode with some guys going for Strava times today. They had a driver pacing them.
FFS. Seriously?
That may just be the saddest thing I've read in ages.
Whoa, dude, we totally strava'd that m*&%"£$"*$£r! Just wait until we post this on the internet and show everyone how ossum we are! We rock! Woo! YAY!
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Are you banging on with that line again?crikey - Member
As noted previously, it seems like 'racing' for the sportive generation. If you want to know how you measure up, get on the start line with a number on your back, put your ego on the line and show the world how good you really are.
i find that not enough people use strava tbh most people who take their sport quite seriously use Garmin and its own tools to track and share rather than strava as it just isnt as good as garmin when it comes to the whole GPS set-up, thats my view.
But its just a fun tool to have fun with, and taking it this seriously is a little sad, given the routes people post most of the time are rather silly/stupid...i saw a route today where someone is clearly breaking the law ie speedlimits getting a certain time along a school road which is to say the least stupid.
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What would you say, Mr Holmes?
FFS. Seriously?
I didn't think it was too bad an idea, there are no rules at all are there. It reminded me of this....
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Do me a shirt for the morning Al.
But you're retired?
He wants to look nice to meet your mum.
In the words of the GLC guns don't kill people rappers do. I couldn't see a case against Strava standing up for that reason but going after the person who set the segment in the first place is a different thing.
A willing party can not be injured is the approach taken because you as a participant thought to have know the risks. I'm not sure that's going to stand as really you dont know the risks because you don't know whats gone through the head of the person setting it. The answer is probably a degree of self policing regarding users being more willing to pull segments. Which would be a good way of proving riders can act responsibly. Unfortunately the consequences of things going badly could start to impact on events - even fundraising ones - that use rights of way. Although route sharing has been around for a while presence and awareness are two different things.
[quote[i]]Is the Strava concept flawed? Possibly. In theory it doesn't do anything that a time trial doesn't do
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Except there's a shed load of paperwork to fill out before anyone goes tanking off, risk assessment, police reports, marshals etc.
Out of interest. How many people have been killed in TTs during the last couple of years in this counrty. How many people have been killed while doing a strava segment?
Since I moved out to Tas Strava has been great. I have a lot of time during the week to ride and it helps me motivate and push myself.
Some of the challenges have really helped my fitness and the segments allow me to see how I'm doing.
There are a lot of races out here but mostly XC which TBH really doesn't float my boat. There are some great trail sections that I enjoy riding that I am "measuring" myself on. Great on a solo ride to give you something to push on for.
If I do want to race I will ride a couple of the loops see how my times stack up (it's heavily used over here) and see which category to enter, and give me some idea how to pace a lap.
The guys calling Strava or riding through red lights are the same ones who have always done it.
As for this...
It's really taken seriously now isn't it. I rode with some guys going for Strava times today. They had a driver pacing them. This was on the A41 near Aston Clinton.
What if they were training for something else and using strava? If I had a race coming up I'd like to try being paced along the route to see what I could do at top pace.
Does Strava take that into account? i.e paced, group, wind direction, approach speed, standing start.
No if your that worried then your the kid who always had an excuse for not winning
Out of interest. How many people have been killed in TTs during the last couple of years in this counrty. How many people have been killed while doing a strava segment?
Don't know the answer, but we kinda know which has killed more. That's why I never race TTs.
No if your that worried then your the kid who always had an excuse for not winning
I was curious, I don't and wont use it. I race a lot and never win and don't need excuses.
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FFS. Seriously?
I didn't think it was too bad an idea, there are no rules at all are there. It reminded me of this....
I can't wait to take a m/cyle through Winterfolds personal best and claim I was on a Bandit. (with slicks of course don't want to totally destroy him)
Daft US lawsuit shocker ..
I rode with some guys going for Strava times today. They had a driver pacing them. This was on the A41 near Aston Clinton.
Howling mad ) Probably the most dangerous road I know of in this area, not a road anyone in their right mind should cycle on, apart from crazy testers and now strava chasers. Ride safe...
I was out last night on the road bike and had a following wind on one of the sections near me. I was going well, definite personal best, when I had to stop for a red light at a pedestrian crossing. While I did stop I can see why some (stupid) people might get carried away and do things they might not otherwise do. Still not Strava's fault though.
I still got my PB on the section but lost about 15 seconds which had the effect of putting me 24th (out of 86). Without the red light (which is rarely used) I'd have been close to a top 10.
Also looking at my GPS trace in detail I can see that I was beyond the 30mph limit for some of the section - which is all within a 30mph limit . Given my average for the section as a whole was only 22.6mph I expect the guy who did the fastest time (29.1mph) must have exceeded the speed limit by a lot more and for a lot more of the time.
'Strava Saddo's'
Compared to STW boring saddo's?
[i]it's actually the sportive's and mtb "challenges" that are the issue real racers race in real races, Strava is for those who dare not line upon the start line[/i]
You don't mean all the pro racers on there do you?
I like strava because it tells me in the last three months i've taken 8 minutes /20% out of my time up the Tavistock to Princetown climb.
I'm still in 33rd place though...
edit: dammit. 35th today...
like strava because it tells me in the last three months i've taken 8 minutes /20% out of my time up the Tavistock to Princetown climb.
which any GPS mobile app would tell you without the need for the internet.
I'm still in 33rd place though...edit: dammit. 35th today...
which is the irrelevant/anonymous bit.
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Segments are pretty much unique to strava aren't they? how do you record your whole ride on another gps and then break it down into individual bits to see how you did nopt only this time but all the other times you've ridden them?
which is the irrelevant/anonymous bit.
To you not to Jam Bo
which any GPS mobile app would tell you without the need for the internet.
Yes you could spend ages setting up waypoints at the start and end of every climb, or you could just use strava and have it all done for you.
Got a new T&C email from Strava this morning. Along with the usual long full document they had a list of 'highlights' at the top for the hard of concentrating. One is very clearly -
"No warranties are made by Strava and Strava is not liable for your activities connected with the site"
Not sure if that holds water, but they're obviously aware of the mentalist potential of the site.
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which is the irrelevant/anonymous bit.
no one is making you use it?
It should just be used for climbs not descents? That would be easy for the boffins at Strava central to implement.
It's just gotta be a matter of god damn common sense surely. If you ride outside your abilities you'll get hurt, and that's no ones bloody fault but your own. It certainly isn't anyone else's when I crash 'cause I've ridden like a tit.
Just for climbs? Thats just for schlek's.
Should there be a test before you can download it?
Maybe one before you are allowed the internet, what about children or old people.
What about our Pensions!!!
It should just be used for climbs not descents? That would be easy for the boffins at Strava central to implement.
Yes, lets make everything so morons can't hurt themselves. It's about personal responsibility, Strava is fine as it is.