I fancy one of those On one angora heavyweight tops, but have read that the way that Angora is taken from the rabbits is very cruel. I wont buy one if it is the case. Is this true or propaganda
Some places have stopped selling angora due to the recent news about its production
H&M possibly ?
So I doubt it's just propaganda.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/dec/16/angora-production-ethical-peta-video-chinese-rabbits ]This article suggests so[/url]
doesnt look nice
If thats the case, then shame on you On One. No tops, or other purchases for me!
It's fine.
It's made in china and its cheap.
The perfect On One product.
didnt realise on-one did Angora, its boycott time!
Don't believe everything PETA publicise though - they are well known for "stretching" facts
Iolo, where does it say its made ( by that i think you mean manufactured) in China? No where in the On one spiel about it does it state that its not real Angora.
The majority of Angora fur comes from Chinese farms, as China has no laws on animal cruelty the animals have most likely been treated as the videos show. some may have better conditions than others but how would you know...
Angora can be harvested humanely so the On-One/PlanetX stuff could be acceptable but it's unlikely unfortunately...
Until stated otherwise Eff U On-one.
Don't believe everything PETA publicise though - they are well known for "stretching" facts
Which bit of the videos posted all over the internet about angora production don't you believe ?
It's just the link kimbers put up. It's definitely an eastern thing.
Please on one. Are they ethically sourced?
I hope on-one come and answer this question. More than happy to join the boycott if they're not ethically sourced.
Indeed, the question here must be the supply chain, not the product per se.
Whilst cruelty to animals is abhorrent and ethical sourcing is to be supported I assume you will all also be relnquishing your aluminium bikes as the bauxite mining and their production cause untold damage to wildlife ,flora,fauna, water sources etc and also god forbid humans too.
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My first google search
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/13/mining-aluminium-tribes-india-jagger
Why do they literally have to skin the wabbit alive?
While I might not have my social objects perfectly sorted just yet, I'm working on the theory that some ethical direction is better than non.
They don't,they should tease it out when it is ready to moult to allow regrowth.Some types you can shave but for some this is harmful.Certainly not vegan friendly imho.
OK.. just watched the vid.. thats a pretty sick thing to do to a fluffy bunny.
cloudnine - Member
Why do they literally have to skin the wabbit alive?
To take as much fur as possible whilst keeping the animal alive to grow more......
The dog one is the worst I reckon that is actually skinning alive and apparently done as the skins are more easily removed when the flesh is warm..... If your squeamish do not search for that vid!
Ive sent On-One an email asking the question.
Brant to the forum. Paging Brant
what do they make from dog fur?
[url= http://www.heavy.com/social/2013/04/clothing-made-of-dog-hair-resourceful-or-wtf/ ]There you go[/url]
hammyuk - Member
Don't believe everything PETA publicise though - they are well known for "stretching" facts
I take it this is photoshopped then?
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Not sure why this is any more of a scandal than anything that happens in the animal trade tbh.
what do they make from dog fur?
Knock off "Ugg " boots was one not sure on exact products but it's used..
Bob, it's because it's ickle fluffy wuffy bunnykins and products bought by educated middle class folks. Perfect targets for guilt revulsion tactics. Stuff made from equally abhorrent supply chains, including animal cruelty, child labour and more is available at all sorts of low cost shops, but their clientele either don't know or don't care.
So CHF, are you telling us its kids who weld the new 456?
Yes this too will be swiftly brushed under the carpet.
Best get one of these ordered before they get pulled from the shelves.
Horlicks
Iolo, no. That's done by Northeners, in truly vile working conditions. They love it. Gives them another thing to whine about.
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I wouldn't trust anything that PETA put out. Not saying its not true, but I'd be looking to find more sources that anything they've sourced. Stretching the truth, mislabelling of videos and images, killing dogs and plain lying about it and their marketing and advertising tactics are all offensive to me.
bugger me if I haven't just been tempted by a thousand and one bargainous things on their bloody website.. 🙄
bloody stealth marketing
I wouldn't trust anything that PETA put out
Agreed re. their killing of healthy animals in their 'shelters'.
But mislabelling images/videos? Do you suggest we take the meat industry's word instead?
are you telling us its kids who weld the new 456?
Kids blinded through welding with no goggles would explain the shonky looking welds surely?
We exploit other animals and cause them unspeakable (literally, natch) pain and agony to pursue our idealistic, airbrushed, lice and vermin free lifestyles.
We do the same to other people too, so we can have our cheap food, bikes, clothes and consumer goods.
That doesn't get mentioned as much, obviously. It might upset the kiddies.
And we can't have that.
Accept it and deal with your guilt, or try and change it.
Let's face it, most of us are happy to inflict pain and suffering on other creatures, human and non-human, just so we can buy more pointless, mind-numbing shite that we don't need.
Hats off to the vegans, at least they're willing to acknowledge the issue.
And on that note, I'd like to wish everyone a Happy Christmas and a wonderful New Year.
I try and be as ethical as i can in all i buy. If the Angora is ethically sourced, then i will buy it, if it is not then i wont. That action, in my eyes, is me trying to make a difference
Do you suggest we take the meat industry's word instead?
lol yes of course more than you could trust the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. I think they've admitted they've exaggerated things in the past and are trying to be more legit though.
I guess it all depends where the angora is sourced from though.
I assume you will all also be relnquishing your aluminium bikes as the bauxite mining and their production cause untold damage to wildlife ,flora,fauna, water sources etc and also god forbid humans too.
and not replacing mobile phones every year, buying tablets to browse stw and supporting the Coltan industry, whilst munching palm oil and monsanto neonicitinoid coated seed based food, or farmed salmon... the hypocrisy list is endless 😉
My guess is, if the claim was that the hair is gently teased from the rabbit by delicate fairies, the truth would still be of shocking abuses.
http://www.care2.com/causes/cruelty-exposed-on-award-winning-farms.html
Etc. Mix animal products with financial gain, and there is only going to be one loser. This seems to extrapolate to cheap electronics/consumer goods and ever-increasing demand and competition.
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Did anyone get and answer from On One regarding the supply chain used?
Is it ethical?
Did anyone get and answer from On One regarding the supply chain used?
I'm sure we will. Brant always crops up pretty quickly on any thread that mentions his products.
well I hope everyone is going to be rational in their irrational boycotting, not pander to the doe eyes of cute fluffy charismatic megafauna, and also boycott every supermarket for selling farmed salmon that has caused the slow miserable death of wild salmonids, stop buying phones, anyhting made of metal, all petrol-derived products, anything with palm oil, yada yada... 😛
Jim, sounds like you're suggesting a boycott of all, or nothing. Surely some attempt to improve so.ething is better than none at all.
BigJim, since everyone else is obviously doing it wrong, maybe you could share what you are doing about it? 💡
What head angle for the new On One Angora?
well I hope everyone is going to be rational in their irrational boycotting, not pander to the doe eyes of cute fluffy charismatic megafauna, and also boycott every supermarket for selling farmed salmon that has caused the slow miserable death of wild salmonids, stop buying phones, anyhting made of metal, all petrol-derived products, anything with palm oil, yada yada...
The unnecessary physical abuse of the animals puts it in a different league to the above...regardless how fluffy n cute you may think they are..
I've seen animals taken from tiny cages beaten ,legs snapped skin torn off the animal then discarded onto a pile of others writhing in pain waiting to die .
some are lucky enough to be electrocuted or coshed beforehand but not much time is wasted on that.
atleast the furr could be removed when dead I just don't get it.
This angora thing is quite pale in comparrison but still unnecessary.
just wondering...
how do we feel about down?
(jackets/sleeping bags/etc.)
fyi: down is considered to have been sourced 'ethically' when the geese are killed first.
no, the geese aren't eaten afterwards.
just wondering...how do we feel about down?
(jackets/sleeping bags/etc.)
Check with the EDFA/supplier to check they have a policy that all their down is sourced as a by product of slaughter.
I know Rab use by product down.
Where does the wool supplier come from? Do we know if these dear bunnies are tortured?
On One are very quiet on this point and hope it will go away.
I'm sure it won't until we get a satisfactory response.
My gran suffered from acute angora, I wouldn't wish it on anyone let alone a cute bunny, so I reckon it's cruel.
bob_summers - MemberBigJim, since everyone else is obviously doing it wrong, maybe you could share what you are doing about it?
There are lots of courses to help you deal with angora management issues.
Perhaps try one of those?
Sorry.
Iolo, as before, am sure Brant will be along shortly. After all, his BrantRadarForumTracker must be lit up like a Christmas tree already.
No reply to my email as yet
Agreed re. their killing of healthy animals in their 'shelters'.
The claims of PETA killing healthy animals is refuted by PETA btw. One of the accusing reports actually comes from a lobby group posing as an animal welfare organisation.
Not saying they aren't true, but the claims are refuted vehemently.
I'm posting here officially on behalf of Planet X, and I can confirm that after discussion, in line with the actions of Marks & Spencer, we at On-One and Planet X have suspended all sourcing of angora product.
Seems fair enough.
Thanks for the reply
Marks & Spencer said its animal welfare policy did not allow for any live plucking and said it believed that was being adhered to across the angora farms it used."We are now carrying out additional visits to these farms to be absolutely sure that this is the case," it added in a statement.
"Also we will not place any further orders with our suppliers for products containing angora wool until we have concluded these visits and reviewed the findings."
Will On One be visiting farms or simply never selling again?
Why would they want to visit the farms? Do you honestly think they would be shown anything but a sanitised version of the real production facility?
In the words of Brant - It's in line with the actions of M&S.
So why will On One do any different?
In the words of Brant - It's in line with the actions of M&S.
So why will On One do any different?
Does it really matter ?
They have stopped selling them.
Is that not enough.
For how long? Stock will be in the warehouse for a couple of months, once the dust has steeled it will be business as usual
For how long? Stock will be in the warehouse for a couple of months, once the dust has steeled it will be business as usual
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Brant, many thanks for the reply.
There aren't many suppliers that come on to forums to answer questions, and probably even less that would give one single toss about the ethics of angora production.
I think Brant deserves credit for coming on here and answering questions.
iolo - Member
For how long? Stock will be in the warehouse for a couple of months, once the dust has steeled it will be business as usual
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Thanks for your attention to this iolo.
This and many threads about on-one product.
You're more than welcome. Should anything else need attention please let me know.
I think Brant should go to that China and cuddle each rabbit...
Fair play to One-On/Planet-X, problem raised and addressed as it should be.
I've ordered a Flanders beanie amongst other things and I'd like to know about the welfare of the beans involved...
You're more than welcome. Should anything else need attention please let me know.
Will you be checking up on M&S, Next, And H&M too.
Or is it just On One you've got a problem with ?
Bravo, Brant. One less channel for that.