Suppose it all comes down to what type of job your in and what position your in.
I work alot, but thats mainly because of my position in the company. I enjoy it and understand that my hours are a rollercoaster, high and low depending on levels of business, sickness, holidays, meetings etc.
I have no set hours, or set times to work, could work 8 hr shifts, or 60 hour shifts, its all business dependant.
What i do understand and know is
1/ During these prolifically hard times, i'm glad i have a job
2/ I get paid generally quite well with added potential
3/ I make sure my employees get paid for hours worked, any holidays wanted or time off needed is given, incentified for going above the expected and generally feel wanted ( i produce a quarterly anonymous feedback form which they all fill in which tells me this)
4/ I make sure that if my mgt team work extra days they get these back in lieu when business can sustain this
5/ i look after myself and on average take off what i need and fit my work schedule ( where possible) around my personal ( see biking) life
I would also love to win the lottery 🙂
A bit like the above, when I was working (between jobs for a few weeks), I'd sometimes work 10+ hours a day 5 days a week then another 10 at the weekend, others I rolled in at 10am and left at 5pm because there was a convenient break. Typically though, 50+ hours a week including weekends.
When I first moved to London I had some horrific weeks (for a games company). Did over 100 hours one week, total exhaustion and we ****ed something up that cost the company a lot of money. They didn't work us like that again.
At the moment I'm at work 37hrs per week, can't say I work all of that though. Very quiet at the moment, when I have lots of site visits, exhibitions etc... that can go up quite a bit.
Still very relaxed attitude here, motivation/inspiration aren't high though.
No wonder there's so much unemployment in the UK if half the people with jobs are working 60hr weeks!
I work away on an equal rotation, when i'm there i work a minimum of 84 hours a week. Sometimes i'll work up to 120 odd (thankfully not that often), don't get any overtime.
Wow - reading this is making me appreciate how good I've got it! I do a 35 hour week flexi time. I can take 1 flex day off per month if I've done the extra hours or can go a day behind on my hours if needed.
Work 40 hours each week over 4 days- with no guaranteed breaks at all - it depends on workload. Can usually scrape 20 minutes for lunch. Have to do a bit of research / training on top of that to keep up to date. Work an extra overnight 8 hour shift approximately every fortnight - it's well paid - and I think of this as the bike / holiday fund.
Same here, but you've forgotten to account for "inbetweenies" and other time polishing hand rails.
Tut tut, you are in roughly the same game as me, what about the 2 on 2 off routine, brings that average right down.
Hehe. I may have been a bit disingenuous. On a 2 on 3 off, it works out at about 33.5 hours a week. I'm in the lab as well, which amounts to a metric sh*tload of time eating bacon sarnies, drinking tea and surfing the web. I balance the guilt at the total lack of work that actually gets done in my day-to-day with the knowledge that "I am paid for what I know, not what I do".
No fixed hours but typical day starts a 6am and ends at 7.30pm; lots of lost evenings though, I got in at 11.30pm last night. Fortunate to love my work and have a boss who extends time off whenever I need it outside of holiday. Work very hard but great work / life balance... Wife might disagree a little but works for me.
Love working for a small firm, much more flexible.
Self employed here, as many or as less as i want really. Up to 3 years ago i was working 12 hr night shifts 4 nights a week, and i thought it was cushy!
But it doesn't feel like work anyway, rarely work more than 35-40.
I am very lucky 😀
Anything from 50-70hrs a week.
Do what you can to get the job done but make sure you're rewarded for it.
In jobs which demand longer working hours you should be compensated by either overtime, career progression or associated performance related bonus.
the long hours culture damages people and their families and does not produce anything significant extra.
Couldn't disagree more. But it depends on the industry you work in I guess.
As with so many, it varies.
But I'm always in the office by 0700, and rarely leave before 1930. A lot of the time it goes well beyond that. Then again, I typically don't work at weekends, and I'm well paid for what I do.
LHS - its been shown that your decision making gets so poor as does your time management that you produce little extra for the extra hours. This is why people like lorry drivers and doctors have strict limits on their working hours as their mistakes can cost lives
As for family lives - if you are working 70 hr weeks when do you have time to spend with your partner and kids?
Its Ok occasionaly but as a regular thing?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/aug/20/britishidentity.health
No one will retire thinking " I wish I had spent more time at work"
Conclusions
* Long hours working is associated with (but is not proved to cause) various negative effects, such as decreased productivity, poor performance, health problems, and lower employee motivation.
http://www.employment-studies.co.uk/pubs/summary.php?id=errs16
37.5 hours per week. Any extra is overtime or I get back later. I live in Norway though.
Over here the attitude seems to be that if you can't get all your work done in normal working hours then you're obviously not very good at your job.
The same attitude exists in Sweden as BruceWee states, although its a little less extreme. However the idea of staying around in the office to be "seen" is utterly alien over here, unlike the UK.
I bill an average of 40 hours a weeks, and then maybe work 5 to 10 hours more on internal projects for my company. I work very flexible hours and have a much better work/life balance than the UK despite earning a lot less.
Yeah, it may not be as extreme as I made out above but the idea of unpaid overtime is very uncommon. There is also a lot of consideration given to families. For example, if one of your kids is sick then you can take paid sick days to look after them.
As far as pay goes, I make about twice as much here as I would in the UK.
thanks guys,
interesting to see the diversity.
matt22 - Member
Just done 31 twelve hour night shifts in a row, i work on an oil rig.
any chance you can send me an email matey - morgs DOT bdavies AT gmail DOT com
couldn't see one in your profile
cheers
This is why people like lorry drivers and doctors have strict limits on their working hours as their mistakes can cost lives
Couldn't agree with you more where lives are at risk, but in other industries it doesn't work like that and working longer hours as a team gives you the advantage over your competitors.
As for family lives - if you are working 70 hr weeks when do you have time to spend with your partner and kids?
Through proper time management you find time. In my earlier career I priortised the first hour of the day over breakfast with the family and a few hours in the evening to sit down and have a proper dinner, walk the dog etc with them whilst still working a 60-70hr week.
LHS - woking the same number of hours total but using more staff so each of you is working less hours would be far more productive.
there is loads of data on this but your productivity falls rapidly as your hours increase two people doing 35 hrs will produce far more than one person doing 70 hrs
LHS - woking the same number of hours total but using more staff so each of you is working less hours would be far more productive.
In some industries, maybe, in others definitly not. People aren't clones, they are unique and have unique skills that you need to call on. With many companies too work comes in peaks and troughs so employing more people during those troughs is not workable.
I usually work between 50 and 60 hours a week, with my contract saying 37.5 hours. I try not to do any real work at the weekend (although I'll often be thinking stuff through) these days though.
150 per 4 week month, usually a mixture of 14 hour days and 11 hour nights, normally get about 14 full days off
9-5 Monday to Friday with an hour for lunch. Anything extra goes into the TOIL pot, we have a very clear work ethic here, in that we work hard in the time given to us, but after that, we're being ushered out of the door by the owner.
Occasionally get the odd weekend's work (shows/exhibitions/etc) but that time is compensated for & given back.
I've done the long hours culture before. It's a horrible place to be.
There does appear to be a lot of hours worked by the STW forum goers, perhaps we spend too long on here 💡
I'm paid for 37.5 hours 9-5.30 with an hour for lunch (usually take 20 minutes). I typically 'work' 40-50 hours dependant on whether I'm working away, that includes travel but not time to myself in the evenings when I'm away (ie sitting in a hotel room on my own). At the moment I'm not very busy and working from home so too much of my time is spent on here.
If a project needs it or if it's an enjoyable one to work on I'll put in the hours but I don't except it when it become the norm to work so many unpaid hours. If not the only people who are gaining is the company owners and shareholders.
Having read the above i can only conclude that most of you are working way too many hours; how do you fit in family time and "me" time?
An old punk quote from Patrik Fitzgerald i adhere too;
"Work is nothing but an illusion and all been desinged to keep the F****** in their places"
I work 37 and a half hours on the dot.
Your wasting good bike time.
* Long hours working is associated with (but is not proved to cause) various negative effects, such as decreased productivity, poor performance, health problems, and lower employee motivation.
Totally Agree, I had a very interesting conversation with a colleague here the other day.
His point was that having seen the change from Drawing boards and slide rules to CAD and Spreadsheets, the work had not gotten Easier but that individuals were expected to produce more and much faster, the upshot was that people tend to work longer days now not because of some over developed work ethic but primarily due to fear of being labeled as slow, or lacking in commitment, generally the culture is one of "meeting Program" these days... IT has not set us free or given us more free time it's had the opposite effect...
I'm Not sure how you break the cycle though, without a period of unemployment... the current economic state of the country seems to be the perfect environment for corporate bullies...
Some of us jokingly refer to ourselves as "RGUs" (Revenue Generation Units) - as this is quite clearly how our employer sees us, I was excitedly informed by a PM the other day that "Overtime is available on this job!" as if I live for the opportunity to work 10 hour+ days and never see my family... Nobber...
I'm Not sure how you break the cycle though, without a period of unemployment..
Join unions, refuse to opt out of the working time directive, log every hour you spend at work.
I was really hoping the UK opt out of the WTD would be removed - no other country has it.
We have the longest average working week in the EU despite huge numbers of part time jobs. 35 hr week for everyone would reduce unemployment dramatically and would make us a more productive and happy society as well as much much richer.
The other aspect of this that makes me laugh is the people that work the long hours regularly ( to do it occasionally to hit a deadline is diffent)think they are well paid. Their hourly rate will be low even if the salaries are high.
good employers will not let their employees work long hours. its ultimately bad for the business as so many mistakes get made and staff get burnout / go off sick.
Officially 08:30 - 17:30, inc. 1hr lunch.
Reality = 08:40/09:00 - 17:30/18:00, inc. 30mins lunch.
I work in IT, so the hours need to be flexible...
2000 till 0800. Normal Hours hours are 36 a week if I'm not at Uni or just 11 to 16 if Iam.
Work in a Nursing Home
I hope all the people above working crazy hours are being paid overtime or have a nice fat salary. If not then really you're in the wrong job or have the wrong employer. I really hate the one-upman-ship thing that starts to happen when people start working longer hours to prove how important they are. If you are having to work many hours to get the job done then your employer needs to employ more people (fair enough if you're self employed) or you need to get better at time management.
+1
once you go over a certain amount of time worked your productivity drops rapidly as you lose concentration and make mistakes - which is why we have maximum hours for lorry drivers and so on. the long hours culture damages people and their families and does not produce anything significant extra.its different if you are doing a one off push to a deadline but to do it regularly is not helpful
+1
Overtime on a regular basis is appreciated by no one. If you stop doing it you will get grief. Don't fall into the habit. Make your boss get on his knees and beg. Don't be a sucker.
+1
The other aspect of this that makes me laugh is the people that work the long hours regularly ( to do it occasionally to hit a deadline is diffent)think they are well paid. Their hourly rate will be low even if the salaries are high.good employers will not let their employees work long hours. its ultimately bad for the business as so many mistakes get made and staff get burnout / go off sick.
+1
threads like these always become a bit three yorkshiremenish for some people.
+1
I've worked in mega unpaid overtime culture. Never again. It was a totally nonsensical way for an organisation to function, only remotely sustainable because so many people were conditioned into thinking that living their sorry life as a martyr was in some way noble. It isn't.
In an occasional emergency situation, deadlines and the like, unpaid overtime is fine. As par for the course, it's a travesty.
Of course paid overtime is fine for those that choose to take it on.
My wife works full time days while i look after the 2 kiddies, i then go and work most evenings and sometimes both weekend days (always at least one of them).
We need the mmoney, simple as that, i dont really get time to ride anymore though, once a week if i am lucky.
On paper, 07:30 - 16:30 five days per week. Nominally have a 45 min lunch hour but don't usually take one. + work from home as and when needed. Fine with it, the contract that I signed when I started stipulated that I would work whatever hours necessary to get the job done.
Join unions, refuse to opt out of the working time directive, log every hour you spend at work.
Taking the Great out of Great Britain!
Taking the Great out of Great Britain!
The 'Great' Britain people longingly refer to was, as far as I can see, built on the back of inequality and arrogance. Only a privileged few would enjoy being back there.
Hmm. Inequality and arrogance, or apathy and laziness. Take your pick.
built on the back of inequality and arrogance
It was built on innovation, working hard, and striving to be the best.
The current attitude of people stinks - unless you REALLY want to sit back and watch the rest of the world over-take you? In that case, carry on.
Yup, I'm sure my Grandfather and Grandmother were incredibly lazy and apathetic while they worked many more hours per week than I would dream of cleaning rich people's houses and doing labouring jobs.
LHS - Member"Join unions, refuse to opt out of the working time directive, log every hour you spend at work."
Taking the Great out of Great Britain!
Yes - behave like a civilised country like Germany, the Netherlands or Norway? ~Wehre staff are treated well and productivity is higher as a result
In the rest of the EU its illegal to work more than 48 hrs a week in general.
Right now, a pretty steady 40-50 hours a week. Sometimes more, but never more than 60. I don't regard myself as working hard TBH.
In my previous life, 60 hours was the minimum I did, simply because the work levels required it. Worst weeks were around 120 hours, but they were usually at the end of big deals - didn't go home or days at a time!
I'm better compensated now than I was then, but that's the nature of what I do. I'm still 15-20k underpaid (for what I do), but I'm happy slacking and spending time at home.
Taking the responses to this thread, I'd say Britain doesn't have any sort of long hours culture.
LHS
Do yo want to be like the US or like Germany? I know what I would prefer - a country where workers are seen as people, treated well and are more productive as a result - thats Germany.
You may think its good to work yourself into an early grave and miss out on a family life but most of us don't
TJ - have you ever worked in Germany?
The current attitude stinks unless you REALLY want to sit back and watch the rest of the world over-take you? In that case, carry on.
I watched my colleagues work themselves into severe illness. I saw them lose touch with their friends and miss their kids growing up. I saw them gain weight, lose weight, blow up in stress, burst into tears from sheer exhaustion. If you think my attitude stinks, spend a few months in my old office and see the mental, physical and social effect unrestrained overtime has on people.
[i]Yup, I'm sure my Grandfather and Grandmother were incredibly lazy and apathetic while they worked many more hours per week than I would dream of cleaning rich people's houses and doing labouring jobs. [/i]
Why didn't they join a union? The rich people wouldn't have got their houses cleaned and your grandfather and grandmother could have moaned to their heart's content about the quality of biscuits they got with their cup of tea. Win/Win. Apparently.
Andy - they did which is why we now have a reasonable working week
It was built on innovation, working hard, and striving to be the best.The current attitude of people stinks - unless you REALLY want to sit back and watch the rest of the world over-take you? In that case, carry on.
What, working sensible hours is being lazy? 🙄
I work in a cross European team and I can assure you Germany, Benelux, Finland, Denmark, Norway et al. all only expect their workers to work normal hours and holidays (in fact more public holidays than us).
Seem to be managing OK as far as I can see.
There just isn't a culture of expecting people to get in for 7 and leaving at 21:00 which there seems to be here.
You really are a patronising prick aren't, you.
LHS - we have a much longer working week than the germans do. We have a very differnt attitude to most similar countries about working hours. Germany does not have an opt out of the WTD. 48 hrs a week is the max
Edit - do you work for a US based company?
TJ - have you ever worked in Germany?
I have for the past 7 years (not actually living there). They certainly get a better deal than I do being employed by the local legal entity than the parent company.
LHS - we have a much longer working week than the germans do
Answer the question, have you ever worked in Germany? I am assuming the answer is no.
Germany actually work longer hours on average than the UK.
http://www.fedee.com/workinghours.shtml
I think the difference is that in most of Europe people actually get paid for the extra hours they work.
BruceWee. I'm not sure if your post with the extraneous comma is directed at me, but in case it is: no. I think you misunderstood my original post. I have no problem with hard-working people, and in no way shape or form would I consider that lazy and apathetic. Taking the mick out of the work-shy rather than the hard-working. If it wasn't aimed at me....as you were 😉
LHS - That goes against all the usual data produced on this that shows the UK as working far longer. I suspect those numbers are for paid time only not the unpaid overtime and also do not allow for the efect of the greater holiday entitlement
I personally have not worked in Germany but members of my family have
Evidence on average annual hours of work in 2006 (Figure 1) suggests that workers in countries with [b]higher levels of productivity[/b] (as measured by GDP per hour) tend, on average, to [b]work fewer hours a year[/b] than workers in countries with lower productivity levels, with a high statistical correlation of .693 (rising to .754 if data for Bulgaria are excluded).
Lots of other good data there. Including an analysis that shows Germany working much less as most a data suggests
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/studies/tn0803046s/tn0803046s_3.htm
That goes against all the usual data produced on this that shows the UK as working far longer
You'd better ignore it then if you've not seen it before.
Yes, it was aimed at you. As for the comma, my grammar and spelling go out the window when I get annoyed. Almost never happens to me in internet arguments so well done.
LHS - Its you that ignores data that you don't like. I suggest you have a read of the stuff I have quoted and every other survey that shows the UK working longer hours.
this is a bit more definitive I believe - note Germany is much lower annual hours if similar weekly -
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The UK data is only for "official " working hours, in most countries the actual time spent working is recorded. As many posters here have eluded to they are officially on 40 hour weeks but actually working 60+ hours.
That is just not allowed in Germany.
That is just not allowed in Germany.
Tell that to any of my ex-colleagues working in the German offices, or the French.
That was in one of the world's largest law firms, BTW.
It is illegal in germany to work more than 48 hrs. No WTD opt out
This thread is scary, almost makes me not want to finish my masters go out into the world of "real" work.
It's making feel like i am work shy. I have the attitude that you shouldn't have to live at work doing more than a 40hr week. Family and relationships come first in terms of life balance, but that's easy to do if you have a strict 9-5 job. To me, having disposable income isn't worth jeopardising your health or happiness, i'd rather not make use of my degree and get a 8-4 labouring job for bad pay than do 7am-9pm days for that new carbon hardtail or nice car. but then if i want a well paid job, i have to compete with people who are willing to give up their lives, meaning i'll be overlooked, fired or not even hired.
I'm a full time student, i work part time too.
Work and uni contact time is normally about 25hours a week. On a quiet week i will normally do about 5-10 hours "homework", so a slack week will be 30 hours minimum, but that's like one week in six. A week with many deadlines, i can do anything up to 35 hours home work, so a 65hr week when i have a heavy work load.
So my working week is anywhere between 30-65 hours, but i would say typically a 45 hour week. but i can obviously take breaks and days off riding whether i want, just have to make it up.
From experience I can say that the Germans and French work as many hours as the UK do in the Merketing Services industry. The Dutch aren't far behind. They all do get much more holiday though, aswell as better family benefits.
The Scandinavians have it best, my other half is Danish and I've resisted suggestions of moving there as Denmark is a bit dull but it is becoming more appealing as we are starting to think about a family.
TandemJeremy - Member
It is illegal in germany to work more than 48 hrs. No WTD opt out
And projects are supposed to be tendered fairly throughout Europe according to EU law and guess what they're not.
I admire your principles (mostly) but you are quite niave to the reality in most businesses in Europe. Whether the reality is socially the right thing is a different matter...
Taking the mick out of the work-shy rather than the hard-working.
This is the issue I faced when I said no to overtime. The accusation of being work shy.
Despite sticking to contracted hours I was among the most productive of my team, and managed to get the most ridiculous levels of work done in a short amount of time. I didn't get stressed, I got on and did it. I did my job.
Because I left the office at 5:30 while everybody else remained sat at their desks, and because I never looked tired, and because I'd had evenings and weekends to unwind and destress with my friends and loved ones, I was resented by those who'd been conditioned into thinking the only way to successfully compete in the modern marketplace was to dedicate every working hour to their profession.
I was seen as work shy. I really wasn't. Management knew I wasn't, which is why I survived waves of redundancies. Those at the top who had Ferraris to pay for [i]loved[/i] me. But nobody around me could see that the link between hours worked and actual productivity is a lot weaker than it seems. We should be judged by our work, but we're not. We're judged, and we judge others, by how large the bags under our eyes are. Because the world more often rewards signs of merit than merit itself.
It's so often just a cultural thing in certain industries and companies. Overtime is what you do, because it just is and that's that. Don't like it? You know where the door is.
I can't speak for other countries, but here we too often seem to have this idea that you're either a grafter who gives it your all, or you're just a scrounger. I believe in hard work. I believe in doing a good job. I just don't believe in happily waving goodbye to the rights we're lucky enough to have had gifted to us by the hard won struggles of generations preceding us.
Great Britain [i]was[/i] once a nation of inequality and exploitation, of oppression and imperial domination. It might have ruled the waves and half the globe, but it didn't do it by being a nice, fair nation of the sort any of us would likely want to be a part of. If 'keeping up' with the rest of the world means going back down the pit for 14 hours a day and dying at 35 after living a peasant's life so as to prop up the earnings of the aristocratic elite, as I would have done at the height of Britain's supposed Greatness, then I'll happily watch other countries race ahead. Anybody lucky enough to be posting on Singletrackworld in the daytime should probably think about just where they'd have been arbitrarily born into in that society.
I'm all for working hard, but you can only do your best. Masses of overtime, in my experience, expects you to give better than your best, and that's impossible. When pushed beyond your limit you can only fall down. Just as my old colleagues did, and no doubt will be doing, long into this very evening.
Usually wake up 7am and I'm working before I get out of bed, checking email etc. In the office for 9am but normally will have spent 1 hour already doing email.
Office from 9am - 7pm, lunch at desk
Some evenings I'll do a couple of hours as well
Some days I'll set my alarm for 3am and work through to 7pm
So not sure how many hours a week that is, does it actually matter?
Also working with some Germans and they put the hours in too but I don't care enough to argue about it and don't see what it matters?
Brilliant post jackthedog
cheersdrive - I have faimily that work in mainland europe and I have read the figures. we work significantly longer hours that most other European nations - and have less holidays and less employment rights. this is trh reality.
I am sure some companies attempt to circumvent it especially American ones - however worker protection is much stronger in Germany , they work shorter hours and are more productive per hour as a result.
I feel really sorry for you people that work long hours and defend it as a good thing. Will you really be glad you worked all those hours when you are older?
turkeys voting for christmas comes to mind
Will you really be glad you worked all those hours when you are older?
Yes
When you have taken years of your life expectancy and have missed out on so much? Like watching your kids grow up. like lazy days with your partner?
I work to live, I don't live to work
Will you really be glad you worked all those hours when you are older?
When I retire at 50 and won't have to depend on any government hand-outs or worry whether i can afford to do the things I love. Yes.
Not allowed to do more than 37 a week with out taking it back as flexi which suits me, time to see my wife, kids and ride my bike. Like to think I am productive in those hours and much longer and my mind would wander.
Dad worked 70 - 80 week in high stress job and father in law the same they both died this year at 61 and 66, if I am unfortunate to not make it to or past that age I would like to think I had not spent the majority of my life at work behind a desk.
I'm amazed at the hours some people are putting in here. I have never worked in any office where people have worked these kind of hours, and I have worked in many different companies.
Its partly the reason why I have never ultimately pursued the career ladder to earn say over £50k I really dont see the point in spending my life in work, and besides whatever work you do beyond 9-5, no company ever thanks you for it. I think its scary that people are prepared to spend so much time in a place they dont want to be for no benefit to them...
Also I'm sure there has been lots of research done that shows productivity drops off massively the more hours you do, and it doesnt benefit the individual or company.
Ah well - I prefer to live my life when I am younger. From simple things like riding my bike to spending years travelling the world.
Is that really worth your family growing up without you? The reduction in your life expectancy?
Your still working now, I have no intention of working past the age of 40 other than receiving passive income from investments.
We'll see how we get on but all on track at the moment. Still got 6 years to go though.
'Living' is not answering every post on a pointless internet forum 😉
When I retire at 50 I think my life expectancy will be far greater than those who retire at 65.
All those things you describe TJ, you can have whilst working hard during the week. They're not mutually exclusive!
Its interesting to see others opinions on this and attitudes to working. I see a general concensus on two issues:
1. There is no point doing overtime just for the sake of it.
2. Contractual hours do not neccessarily tie up with hours work (and for most people this is not always a problem).
In my case I am contracted 42.5 hours a week. I start aroud 8 and finish around 5. I say around as I do what is needed to do the job. Right now I'm doing my contractual hours as I'm not that busy, about 6 months ago I was doing between 80 and 100 hours a week. Thats the job but realistically its also not sustainable.
In terms of OT I have a rule. I work midweek OT at no cost. If I have to work W/end that is paid (Double time).
I also have another rule which I make at every interview. And that is that I will work whatever it takes to get the job done. It is however a two way thing, when times are quiet or I can fit in I have the morning off to ..take Dave to the vets, go to the dentist, meet a repair mechanic for the washing machine etc.
This has always served me well.
The only people I have a problem with are those that refuse to help and give that little bit extra when work demands. People who clockwatch and are off at 5 every day whether the job is done or not. Yes it may be your contractual right but its a piss poor attitude and you are letting the team down.
And lastly ...yes it is about performance and results and not the hours worked.
LHS - they are completely mutually exclusive. Don't kid yourself. You cannot work 70 hr weeks and have as much time to do stuff as you can working half that.
LHS - they are completely mutually exclusive. Don't kid yourself. You cannot work 70 hr weeks and have as much time to do stuff as you can working half that.
I think that's called a difference of opinion.
Should be 35 hours. 9-5 with an hour break in between.
on a 4 day week now, so 28 hours, 9-5, lunch from 12-1.
I could go and find an extra day working somewhere, but tbh, stuff that, a 28hour week is magic! I'm half tempted to ask to stay on it when we do go back up to a 5 day, I've zero dependents, so not as if i can't survive on less.
I also work contracted hours only, no free OT from me. That's just insanity.
I forgot to mention that I've also worked alot with the Japanese and they are a very good example of why working long hours is not efficient.
They work 12-15 hours a day all through the week, when they fisnish work they eat and drink with there collegues, go home to sleep for a few hours and then get up and do it all again. At the weekend they spend a saturday doing domestic duties then on Sunday prepare for work again. It's not a life. The crazy thing is that they do it out of some duty to be at the office and to work for the 'company', it has nothing to do with actual work done as they are generally very ineffiecient and most of the day is wasted procrastinating and making decisions by commitee.