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Problem with people on horses in proximity to traffic and people is that there is one too many brains in charge of nearly a tonne of powerful beasty. Recipe for disaster, statistically more dangerous than moto-X I'm led to believe. (I could be wrong, I've never been arsed to look it up) girls on horses do tend to have nice bottoms though, so they aren't all bad.
Mmm just from what i've found horse riders tend to be fairly self centered and not too bothered about how they affect other people. As I say, riding up A roads at rush hour - selfish and unnecessary
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As I say, riding up A roads at rush hour - selfish and unnecessary
Would you say the same about cyclists doing the same (puts hand up as a doer), or moped riders, or milkfloats?
To the OP; point being where you were cycling, as you and others have been at great pains to point out, is MULTI-USE, not just cycling. So you, as other users, should be prepared to meet those other users and all the hazards they bring with them.
It's about people pulling their heads out of their arses and just getting on with each other.
Christ we live in a small and crowded country , cant you lot just share the trails with walkers and horseriders and play nice now!!
It's about people pulling their heads out of their arses and just getting on with each other.
Completely agree with this. But it should work both ways. As for horse use in rush hour, how many people commute on horseback? Seriously? It's hard enough to persuade my employer to put a bike rack in, lol. Also, pushbikes and milkfloats don't often get spooked by crisp packets, squirrels, noisy freewheels, etc at least not in my experience. A small brained, large muscled prey animal in a crowded environment is a recipe for trouble. Not saying it can't be done, (police horses et al) but just doesn't seem to be in the spirit of 'getting on with each other' to me. Keep 'em in the countryside.
Too true ^ There's a time and place for horses, and I really don't think it's on the road. More likely 8pm, Sunday, on the dinner plate... 🙂 mmmm
A cyclist has a far larger brain (usually) than any horse and can interpret situations far differently. It's totally different.
My better half works with horses and (around these parts anyway) most riders only use the roads as links between bridleways....i've had loads of arguments with her about the copious amount of shit her horse will excrete on a ride....and i reckon a fair compromise would be for a horse rider to clear the shit up if its on the road as this is dangerous for motorcyclists in particular...but obviously on bridleways anything goes...as bridleways are there for horses anyway....and they were around long before the weekend warrior mountain bikers and will probably be here for some time yet.
Is it that time of the month already?
OP: learn to bunnyhop. It's only grass.
whingingtrackworld....
Voluntary Snowdon horse ban anyone....?
Personally I like seeing folk out enjoying trails in different ways, but it's always a bonus if you at least get a "thanks" for giving way to horsey types.
Do those who think horse riders deliberately ride along busy roads stop to consider that it's no fun for horse or rider - it's the only way to get between A and B due to a lack of bridleways. If MTBers and horse riders would work together it could completely change access rights in England. At least be thankful that the bridleways we currently use are only there because of horse riders!
The horse riders I pass are almost always friendly, which does lead me to wonder if those receiving apparently haughty or disdainful looks are actually seeing the reaction of a rider atop a horse that has been inadvertently scared by a MTBer? Don't sneak up on them, they think you're going to eat them!
supersessions9-2 - MemberIs it that time of the month already?
OP: learn to bunnyhop. It's only grass.
whingingtrackworld....
Are you not aware of what purpose a forum serves? It is a discussion board. We are having a civilised discussion, not whinging.
Learn to differentiate.
If MTBers and horse riders would work together it could completely change access rights in England. At least be thankful that the bridleways we currently use are only there because of horse riders!
The original objection was about horses being allowed to poop on URBAN multi use paths.
This privelidge is not shared by other users of these paths which include walkers, cyclists, and dogs. Furthermore if all these other users of the paths pooped on the same spot it would still not compare in magnitude to the poop left by horses.
What they do on designated remote bridleways in the countryside is not in question here.
All the horse riders round my way seem far more cheerful than the miserable old ramblers, so fine by me.
So the general idea is for the rider to remove all control, dismount, move poo, find fence/gate to climb to remount, continue with ride. Carrying out all above keeping horse under control, whilst cyclist are speeding past not giving warning/space.
Not going to happen !!!!!!!!!!!
Strangely for this fourm, I own both so have a idea from both sides.
How about people carrying out community sentences can clean up the multi use paths.
Strangely for this fourm, I own both so have a idea from both sides
Reported. We don't want no balanced views on here.
Bugger, better report myself too ... ... oh bugger ... i've a big 4x4 too ....
noooooooo..... i'm banned for sure .....
..... i'll get me coat
..... and head out and shovel the shit on the bridleways my horse has left.
Surely all this could be avoided if the OP had learned to bunnyhop. If he was going to fast to avoid or bunnyhop said poo then he was going too fast. That poo could have been an orphan or something. Then what huh? HUH?
Horse poo is a fact of life where horses go. Deal with it or go somewhere else.
Well, clearly the answer is to get more dogs to run around free ... because if ours is anything to go by Horse Poo clearly taste of very tasty things, as she hoovers it up.
She's also very good at collecting fox poo ... her fur being particularly absorbent. She's like a little black member of Greenpeace doing her bit to keep everything shiny for towns folk.
In my eyes, farm poo is just a couple of days rest away from dirt ... and we certainly don't get all bothered about that ... in fact being spattered in it all brings about many a smile. My youthful frosty mornings used to be spent ankle deep in cow poo trying to warm up, and none of us died.
And everyone seems to have forgotten the laden down livestock trucks that trundle around leaving nice wide trails of poo everywhere, are they to be banned as well ?
Anyways, agree that horse have appropriate places purely from a safety aspect, but no different to large dogs etc as long as they are under control, and trained sufficiently, then little cause for bother.
How about people carrying out community sentences can clean up the multi use paths.
Genius! Bring back chain gangs to clear out the bridleways!
What Devs said. Besides I thought you should always ride within your limits of control and expect the unexpected,especially round a bend. All I can say is that I guess it was lucky that the horse had finished its business and moved on or it could have been a lot messier. Any one remember Police Academy?
1. whereas horse riding can be good exercise, for 99% or the people I see riding they are not out for exercise for themselves and only marginally for the horse.
The evidence is staring you right in the face in the form of the size/shape of the rider.
They are just out for a social, which would be fine if they didn't ride two abreast and take up the whole path and be completely oblivious to anything around them, thank goodness it is the horse that normally notices first and then they notice the horse.
2. the next problem is what they do to the bridleways in the winter - making it impassable for bikes (which is irrelevant according to the law) but also for pedestrians as the trails get turned into bottomless pits of mud and water, and/or they get widened as the horseriders take their delicate horses around the mud.
I know of several bridleways that have had to be built back up substantially - and then the warden has the cheek to say that horses are ok but it is the mtbs that cause the damage.
So what would be great during winter is some form of bridleway management for both horses and cyclists - maybe keeping horses to certain bridleways until they churn them up a reasonable amount, and then swapping the horses and cyclists over as, other than when the bridleway is saturated, cycles tends to flatten the bridleway out again.
1. whereas bike riding can be good exercise, for 99% or the people I see riding they are not out for exercise for themselvesThe evidence is staring you right in the face in the form of the size/shape of the rider.
They are just out for a social, which would be fine if they didn't ride two abreast and take up the whole path and be completely oblivious to anything around them.
2. the next problem is what they do to the bridleways in the winter - making it impassable for horses(which is irrelevant according to the law) but also for pedestrians as the trails get turned into bottomless ruts of mud and water, and/or they get widened as the riders take their delicate dandyhorses around the mud.
I could go on, but it would be pointless to try and persuade you to move from your ignorant, blinkered stance.
I don't particularly like horses per se, but some of the riders have been lovely, others have been downright rude - just like mountain bikers or participants of any outdoors pursuit really.
But I do sometimes feel like people who drive horseboxes around should be shot. I know that they have just as much right to be on the road as me, but they're a right pain in the harris sometimes.
I could go on, but it would be pointless to try and persuade you to move from your ignorant, blinkered stance.
and what is incorrect about what I said - or are you too ignorant and blinkered to see the truth?
Joining this thread a bit late...
Question from a 'friend of mine'. Is it wrong to like the smell of horse poo? So much that 'they' will aim for a big recent one on the trail in order to get a whiff after 'they' ride through it?
A bit of horse poo? Is that it? My ex-wife was a riding instuctor, she spent all my wages on the witless quadrapeds with the excuse that it was a business. Ha! a business that ran on a constant loss, totally funded by this idiot flogging his guts out every day while she ponced around giving 'riding lessons'. We are no longer married but I still really, really hate horses
It's only a relationship that started 5000+ years ago. They've died in wars for us, been our transport, hunting partners, sport and food. Without horses there would be no canal tow paths, bridleways and many of the tracks used by mountain bikers today.
IF (because I have no idea if it's a genuine photo or not) that is Elfinsafety, then the world makes sense afterall. 🙂
jez... Bridleways exist for HORSES! end of, cyclists have no right to use them more an understanding of tolerance, read the law, cyclists are to give way to both walkers and horses. Though going by the attitude of many on here BRIDLE-ways are there for their exclusive use.
As for the comment about fitness, got to go riding at work a few weeks back, rising trot really exercises your legs!! and to be brutal i can't remember seeing many fat overweight riders, certainly far less than the number of fat overweight cyclists i see around the place.
As for the mess, do you have two eyes on the front of your head? then go around it, if your complaining you came round a blind corner and couldn't avoid it then you were going too fing fast!
Moving on cars have no right to use the roads, it is why you have to have a LICENCE! and if you are naughty they take your licence away. I really get ped off by the arrogant attitude of many who seem to think the world is their play ground.
How many people who are winging actually use there bikes for anything other than entertainment? is it part of your job, do you commute by bike, end of.
The horsey people I work with are fit as ****
And horses are fantastic
There are two horses which live in the field opposite my house which are exercised along the old railway line (now part of the CTC route and was never a bridleway) leaving large mounds of poo on what is my usual dog walking and cycle route from the house.
My dog had a large crap in their field today, which I thought was fair enough 😀
You need to educate these horsey people and get them to invest in a Horse Nappy
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Sounds like it would solve your turd issues.
hugor - MemberThe original objection was about horses being allowed to poop on URBAN multi use paths.
This privelidge is not shared by other users of these paths which include walkers, cyclists, and dogs. Furthermore if all these other users of the paths pooped on the same spot it would still not compare in magnitude to the poop left by horses.
That's right- it'd be enormously worse, would smell worse, attract pests, and spread disease. Which is why it's banned.
Horses are old technology.
They may be part of our history but that is not a justification for them to exist in built up areas.
They are unpredictable and stupid.
Keep them in the countryside.
In years gone by it was also acceptable to carry weapons in the streets.
Weapons are part of our history too. They are no longer appropriate.
Same holds true for horses.
That horse nappy should be law!
Horses are old technology.
They may be part of our history but that is not a justification for them to exist in built up areas.
So might as well scrap bikes then as the car has made them redundant?
might as well scrap bikes then as the car has made them redundant
How do you get any cardio exercise in a (moving) car then?
Horses are old technology.
They may be part of our history but that is not a justification for them to exist in built up areas.
So might as well scrap bikes then as the car has made them redundant?
Can't quite imagine locking up my horse to the bike rack at the office and then doing a days work.
How do you get any cardio exercise in a (moving) car then?
You don't, that is why you have gyms. FFS...
Roads and tracks exist purely for the transport of people and goods from home to the place of work or where they are going to spend money engaging in collective leisure activities.
I can't be bothered to read all the pages but on most counts I'm with the OP, but then I don't really get the whole horse thing. Several members of my wife's family own horses and in my experience horsey people are totally obsessed by them, but then I guess if they weren't they'd stop spending such an inordinate amount of time and money on them and ship then out to France to get turned into burgers and glue. Each to their own I guess.
a horse on a public road is a danger, it has its own brain, i lost my best mate as there was a new rider lost control of the beast (be wasnt speeding/wasnt a loud bike) it turned and my mate was killed, they all want shooting and eating,
You don't, that is why you have gyms. FFS...
so what you're now saying is that cars and gyms have made cycles redundant - anything else you want to add??
Some people who ride horses are dicks. Most of them aren't.
Heres a shocker! Some people who ride MTBS are dicks. Most of them aren't.
You can't stereotype people based solely on their chosen hobby. Note hobby, not not mode of transport. Unless you're a dick. Which brings us nicely back to OP. Making sweeping generalisations about horse/bike riders based on one experience of a friend of a friend is up there for ****tishenss too.
At the risk of then being hoist by my own petard and grouping individuals indiscriminately it appears that some MTBers these days are getting as bigotted as the ramblers we had to put up with when we first started venturing out on the trails. When did we start letting ****s ride fat tyres?
The trails are everyones to share. OP and his bigotted supporters need to get over themselves and learn to get along. Or **** off and leave the trails to people with a bit of courtesy towards their fellow human beings.
Turnerguy, exactly, if horses are no longer needed in exactly the same way we don't need bikes.
However if you actually do a little research you will find that horses are still in use in plenty of places. exactly the same way that bikes have been superseded, but in some scenarios they are still the best solution.
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work safe but probably not best to let work colleagues know you listen to this sort of things 🙂