[Closed] Hope 10-44t Cassette

Four aluminium sprockets? I'm out

Larger four sprockets machined from single aluminium billet

XC? Yuck.

Let me know when they're doing an Enduro version.

Emma Chisset?

They missed two opportunities on this one:
- either license the XD driver
- integrate the freehub in the alu sprockets, it's not like it will ever fit any other brand's hub

10-44? That'll do nicely.

Nice machining. Recently went 1x11 XT on my Spitfire build, and opted for DT Swiss hubs over Hope so that's me out. Shame, as I wouldn't mind being a guinea pig for everyone else.

Quoted as March availability!

Was there any mention of which year?

That's what, half a pound lighter than XT in 10-40 with more range? Begs the question of how ridiculously expensive is it going to be?

273g is light isn't it?

Gonna costa lotta?

Fits onto a unique freehub. Available for both our Pro 4 and Pro 2 EVO hubs

😯

How have Shimano managed to make their latest cassettes so heavy. It really is quite an achievement. New XT is a good chunk heavier than Sram's 4th tier offering?

That it needs a separate new freehub kind of loses the USP versus SRAM cassettes

Surely its [b]Unique[/b] Selling Point is that it's a 10-44T cassette?

I wonder whether they'll sell the two halves separately.

license the XD driver

Is it an open (or licenceable?) standard? I'd presumeSRAM are happy for manufacturers to make wheels for their cassettes (SRAM hubs being rare) but more protective of being the only game in town for 10t cassettes.

Four aluminium sprockets? I'm out

I guess it's a question of fitness, at 18-19 I was wearing out the <22t sprockets first and 11t looked like something from spirograph, the bigger ones looked untouched. Now as a chubby almost-30 it's the big gears that go and the 11t looks untouched. I suspect if I went back to my teenage years I could happily have run 4x aluminium sprockets, I doubt I could have afforded it though!

thisisnotaspoon - Member

Is it an open (or licenceable?) standard? I'd presumeSRAM are happy for manufacturers to make wheels for their cassettes (SRAM hubs being rare) but more protective of being the only game in town for 10t cassettes.

E13's cassette (9-44) uses the XD standard

They already make an XD freehub for their hubs don't they? Presumably there is some reason why they preferred to go with a unique freehub for this cassette though.

honourablegeorge - Member
Four aluminium sprockets? I'm out

What would you like them made of?

Speeder - Member

What would you like them made of?

Steel. Alu cogs just don't last. They're ok fr the lowest, sit-and-spin-gear with lots of teeth, but lower down the block, when they have to deal with a bit of power, they just fall to bits.

The more I look at this, the more I think just how far ahead of the game SRAM were.

They showed off XX1 in May 2012. Three and a half years later, E13 have only just figured out how to make a 9-42 cassette that's 320g, even though the top four cogs are aluminium - that's 60g heavier that SRAM's all-steel 10-42 and it's €319 on the site I'm looking at, versus €229 for the SRAM one.

Meanwhile Shimano are doing the XTR with just the 11-40 range, but still heavier than either of the above.

honourablegeorge - Member
Speeder - Member
What would you like them made of?
Steel. Alu cogs just don't last. They're ok fr the lowest, sit-and-spin-gear with lots of teeth, but lower down the block, when they have

Are 28, 32, 38, 44 not sit and spin with lots of teeth..

Hopefully hope will sell the 4 alloy cogs as spares so you can replace them rather than the whole cassette..

honourablegeorge - Member
The more I look at this, the more I think just how far ahead of the game SRAM were.

They showed off XX1 in May 2012. Three and a half years later, E13 have only just figured out how to make a 9-42 cassette that's 320g, even though the top four cogs are aluminium - that's 60g heavier that SRAM's all-steel 10-42 and it's €319 on the site I'm looking at, versus €229 for the SRAM one.

Meanwhile Shimano are doing the XTR with just the 11-40 range, but still heavier than either of the above.

The sram xx1 has an alloy 42t cog.. which is replaceable..

Seems they've made the spacing at the high end very close to they can advertise the 20% figure. I think something more evenly spread would have been much more useful, maybe 10, 12, 14, 17, 21, 24, 27, 31, 35, 39, 44 would be more useful for a lot of enduro mincers.

I doubt I'll be buying one anyway, given that you can get a sunrace or praxxis cassette for under £80. This Hope thing is bound to be at least double that.

Goldigger - Member

Are 28, 32, 38, 44 not sit and spin with lots of teeth..

Not really. I did plenty of out of the saddle on my alu 28t, and it disappeared in half a dozen rides

http://www.hopetech.com/eurobike/

Reading that it appears that the alloy cogs are a add on to the 7spd DH cassette.
Also says that the 3 or 4 (10 or 11 spd)
alloy cogs are replaceable.

They just copied one of these:

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On a serious note though I'm struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.

Interesting to note that at the cyclocross worlds yesterday some of the front runners,were still running doubles including one SRAM rider.

Ah - but just wait for......

EnduroCross!!!

Now there is a new branding opportunity for the 3 Peaks if ever there was one 😆

Should of made it to fit the Sram free hub, so i'm out !

Hmm - accoding to Factory Jackson, the Hope DH cassette is £150, XC is £175.

So does that mean the replacement Alu sprockets will only be £25 🙂

New freehub needed too.

dragon - Member

On a serious note though I'm struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.

Same problem as the Hope cranks, bars etc solve- some people just can't get enough Hope logos on their bikes.

On a serious note though I'm struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.

Well its better than Shimano since it ditches the old fashioned freehub design and has a 10T sprocket which gives a huge increase in range for only 1 less tooth. It also has a an extra 2 teeth on the top sprocket so altogether this probably has the biggest range of any cassette out there. For those still sitting on the fence it might prove to be a genuine like for like replacement for a double ring setup with no loss of range (depending on your ratios).

So compared to the cranks which offer absolutely nothing yet are still selling I think its a winner.

£175! No Hope of that going on my bike.

£225 for cassette plus freehub, but that may be easier to swallow if they decide to offer just the Alu sprockets as a spare part.

Interesting to see that they are getting into carbon "woven in the North in old cotton mills" too. Could make for some interesting new objects of desire for my dandy horse.

Does anyone spend £175 on a cassette?

Does anyone spend £175 on a cassette

I guess they must do, CRC list half a dozen different cassettes at that price or higher and I don't suppose they hold stock for fun.

Standard XTR cassette is a ballache - there's lot on web about the three, near identical ratios toward the smaller end of the block - so I'm itching for change, and a 40+ spinner would be good, but at £225 for the freehub and cassette, that's too steep to be grinding through the local grit and mud.

The alternative from memory was the cassette replacing the freehub for Hope hubs. Integrated pawl seats into the aluminium sprocket machining and presumably a couple of bearings in there.

Guess hope decided that there were savings to be made once you've swapped over to the shorter freehub.

maybe should have tried to use their SS freehub body?

digga - Member
Standard XTR cassette is a ballache - there's lot on web about the three, near identical ratios toward the smaller end of the block - so I'm itching for change, and a 40+ spinner would be good, but at £225 for the freehub and cassette, that's too steep to be grinding through the local grit and mud.

SRAM GX - 109 euro for cassette and chain. And from these pics, it's 4g lighter than XTR, with a 10-42 range to XTRs 11-40.

Yes, you'll have to bite the bullet and change your freehub, but I reckon GX and freehub is still cheaper than XTR

SRAM are miles ahead, really

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Where is the Sram GX cassette and chain 109 euro?

Cheers