[Closed] Home Brew Chammy Cream

I've tried all sorts of creams over the last 20 years or so of riding both on and off road. I've been using Savlon for the last 3 or 4 years and it is definitely the simplest and best solution (and probably the cheapest).

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Why do people always suggest sudocreme? It's not a patch on Minty Arse Lard - works well after riding if you've GOT saddle sores but really not a lot of use for preventing them.

Sudocrem is quite a lot more expensive than chammy cream too (unless you HAVE to use Assos, which you don't).

[i]13 oz petroleum jelly
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
1 oz hydrocortisone cream
1 oz lanolin [/i]

Asking the chemist for nearly 1lb of vaseline's going to raise eyebrows...

Do not use antibiotic creams - you increase resistance when used unneeded and hydrocortisone cream is not a good idea either.

Another vote for lashings of savlon (or supermarkets own version)

What about a mix of Sudocreme and Vaseline? I've used a petroleum jelly and lanolin based cream in the past that was very good, can't seem to find it now.

TJ, I was wondering about that. What would you recommend, just antiseptic?

Has anyone tried any of the cow udder creams?

i used a mix of sudocreme, vaseline, germolene and anusol(!) cream at mayhem - worked [b]really[/b] well I have to say.

I would recommend nothing. all a cream does is block pores, macerate the skin, alter natural ph and cause problems. i would never use a cream as a preventative - only to treat chaffing. I personally never have needed or used a cream so I have nothing to recommend

I use the udderly smooth stuff and it works well.

TandemJeremy - Member

I would recommend nothing. all a cream does is block pores, macerate the skin, alter natural ph and cause problems. i would never use a cream as a preventative - only to treat chaffing. I personally never have needed or used a cream so I have nothing to recommend

Rather an interesting slant, but I know from my experience, creams are a great help on rides over a couple of hours.

I doubt any pros would consider riding without some sort of cream, and let's face it, the hours they spend in the saddle, they would probably have a pretty good idea of what's required...

i would never use a cream as a preventative - only to treat chaffing.

barmy bugger.

[i]barmy bugger. [/i]

well, he's won't be balmy.

igmc.

I never get a sore backside and I ride for many hours at a time Usuually 2 x 5 hre rides a week. Racers have a different set of priorities to leisure riders. get comfy kit and saddles.

My thoughts on skin care come from my background as a nurse and pressure sore prevention where evidence based practice is not to use creams as they are ineffective and make things worse.

I definitely find Assos works at preventing saddle sores. Are they actually pressure sores? I'd always assumed that it's a combination of friction and bacteria rather than just pressure so that it's the lubricating and antiseptic properties of Assos that do good.

Surely pressure sore prevention requires rather different solutions?
For example, pressure sores tend to be caused by round-the-clock pressure and are exacerbated by poor blood flow. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Chaffing problems are generally caused by a combination of friction, sweat and hair for sustained periods, but generally not more than 8hrs.

I certainly fall into the leisure cyclist bracket, and I invest in good, well-fitted clothing and the comfiest saddles I can find.

But my riding is certainly improved by the use of chammy creams...

sudocrem is great after the fact, not so sure about its preventative properties..

whenever i've had hydrocortisone cream it says not to use for more than one week at a time/in a limited way, though i'm not sure of the exact reasons. still, i wouldn't want it on my bumhole.

imo the best thing for sores was to get some decent bib shorts..

to be honest tj the skin round your arse is toughened from all the talking out of it you do!!

That and the fact I have been cycling many hours a week and for decades. 🙂

Its my opinion based on experience and academic knowledge. IMO creams as a preventative are counter productive.

Shirley you would be better off with a nice, plain heavy base cream with some essential oils like tea tree and lavender in. They would help any sores already there and anti fungal so good to combat against a rank chamois. Vaseline based one would suck. Sudocrem no good if allergic to zinc oxide.

I've done lots of long rides this year [7-10 hrs] and don't bother with it either most of the time
The only time I do bother is if I know it's going to be very wet and I'll be in the saddle for more than 4 or 5 hours

Its my opinion based on experience and academic knowledge

My opinion is based on not having a sore arse after 120 miles or so 🙂

"Back in the day" I used to be a semipro roadie, we used nowt pre/during races/training but after showers etc. just covered the area in antiseptic cream (brand escapes me)
Tips: erm, wash and clean the area well then make sure the area is dried off properly before putting clothes back on over the area.
If we did get sores (and we did, but not frequent) then we'd use large plasters over the area until the race day was over then repeat above.

The main cause we found were sweat/damp/rubbing and a decent pad inyershorts worked wonders.. I always go for the very best bibs I can get, current mix of Rapha and Assos, cos I'm worth it.
Currently don't use anything but do have minty in the cupboard "just in case"

I use Assos. Does this look like a man who compromises on his comfort?

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caused by a combination of friction, sweat and [u][b]hair[/b][/u]

So, and I'm not trolling here, would a 'sack and crack' wax help to reduce chaffage? Might this also reduce the frequency with which I meet my old friend Ivan Itchianus? Not to mention less Klingon encounters?

I'm gonna respectfully disagree with TJ on this one.

The problems I get are related to chafing, and the chafing is worst in the summer; you sweat, then get micro salt crystals on your skin and shorts, and the constant movement of thighs and dangly bits while pedalling can end up rubbing things raw.

Same when riding in the rain, when grit gets into the shorts.

I use Assos because I can, but have made do many times with any non-perfumed moisturing lotion, like E-45; just blob it on your chammy, rub a bit more on the nads and off you go.

The above advice regarding using hydrocortisone as an ingredient is probably not the best; regular use of steroid creams can thin and damage your skin; not what you want in any of your leisure areas..

I usually just slap on a mug of MTFU.

chamois butter works well , vaseline works well

udderly smooth - effin waste of time , just makes my butt slippy and the chamois moves more and causes friction.

Where do you lot actually get sore bits?
I've just read nads and bumholes. Cant remember the last time I rode my bike and actually sat on either of those!

Bigyinn: I'll find some pics...

Thick nivea moisturisers work well for none 'proper' creams, though best I have tried is Ozone Elite, better imho that assos.

Some **** in a Ford Ka ran over my pot of Assos in Worcester...:( street was nicely mentholated though...

As usual I disagree totally with TJ. If you're going to be sat down pedalling for long periods I would advise Assos. It works for me. Including 9 hours in the saddle on La Marmotte.

I also use it for my 22 mile fixed commute. Just makes getting to the end of the week easier 😉

Homebrew is an interesting concept, but don't use Sudocreme. It definitely doesn't workfor me.

I asked about this a while ago (search for sodocreme 😉 as unfortunately typed it). Sore bits are usually around my seat bones. Mixture of pressure, friction sweat etc. Only really a problem on long rides on hot days.

Anyway, I decided that given how rarely I use it and the fact that udderly smooth isn't massively expensive that I'd just go with the proper stuff.

Good shorts are the best starting point by a mile. You don't need to spend Assos money. The Dhb top end shorts use the same pads as the top end shorts costing double (or at least they did) manufactured by cytec.

I mixed up Vaseline and Sudocreme (approx 4-1) last night and it looks like it might work well - nice consistency and it doesn't leave a thick claggy white film like neat sudocreme. I'll try it tonight and report back, looks like it'll be a wet ride, so a good test.

I tend to get a bit of chaffing on the inside of my upper thigh (if it's hot) but mostly, it's that irritating pimple rash in where the crease between top-of-thigh meets buttock and runs across my sit-bones.

Apologies if that's too much information :o.

I use this

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A Definite No to Hydrocortisone cream on a regular basis. As mentioned above it actually damages the skin over time it is to be used as a very short term thing to boost the body's natural healing response!

sudocreme is rubbish for 'in' use just not slippy like decent chamois creams like assos and elite etc.. you need a bit of slip

i used a mix of sudocreme, vaseline, germolene and anusol(!) cream at mayhem - worked really well I have to say.

😯

To know that I was in far too close proximity with someone with their bottom so anointed fills me with nausea... 😡

I am confused - there is some kind of cycling performance benefit associated with the use of minty arse lard?

I thought it was just one of life's guilty pleasures...

winterfold - Member
I thought it was just one of life's guilty pleasures...

To a certain extent, yes. I've previously described it as like Keira Knightley sucking Extra Strong Mints and then blowing gently on ones barse.

But at 12 quid a tub, it's probably worth finding something that offers similar performance benefits (ie eliminating chaffing) without the delightful menthol sensation you get when you shovel a good 3-fingers-worth up your gooch.

For the past 2 years I've used Udderley Smooth and swear by it. Interested to know if the agricultural version is the same but cheaper?

I read in a mag once (think it was MBR) that udder cream from a farm shop is the same stuff?

If you are cycling loads then toughen your skin up in that area by using witch hazel on a regular basis.

As mentioned before don't use hydrocortisone crème as it thins the skin with prolonged use.

Also, don't be using "1 oz triple antibiotic ointment", as you would just be helping with stuff like C-diff and MRSA, you have to hope he meant to list antiseptic ointment.

So that's 2 of his ingredients that show why he's a cyclist and not a dermatologist.

I'd suggest using a vaseline base, with witch hazel (5% max) and lanolin (5-10%) and leave it at that. Mix with a fast whisk and store in a lightproof airtight container. I wouldn't think that the shelf life on the lanolin would be all that long, maybe 6 months, unless you start to add perservatives etc.

TBH I would think it's less hassle and most cost efficient buying bog standard stuff. If you you ride massive distances regularly you don't need it because you have toughened up and if you only need it occasionally you won't hit the economies of scale required to make it worth it.

I think you're probably right Saccades, some brands like Udderly etc aren't too badly priced, but the Assos stuff ends up costing a fortune if you apply enough to get any kind of real benefit.

Thought I'd have a pop at some home brew though, as big tubs of Vas are only about a quid, and on its own it probably offers as much lubrication as most off-the-shelf creams.

The Vas/E45 looks like a winner, lanolin would have been good but there's none in the cabinet! I'll give it a whirl shortly...

The reduced minty-ness of recent Assos purchases has been a major disappointment.

Just saying.

I might squirt in a good dollop of Colgate... 😀

I might squirt in a good dollop of Colgate...

Never mind the smell, look how it gleams. 😯

Generally I've used sudocrem, but that's because I'm too lazy to buy the proper stuff and baulked at the cost of the Elite Ozone I was using.

I disagree with TJ, and I've done plenty of miles. Sore spots for me are not pressure induced, but caused by friction. Using a cream just adds a little lubricaiton to limit the effect of that rubbing.

I must say, though, that the most effective guard against chafing is decent shorts. Do not underestimate how good they can be.

I wish I knew about this sort of thing before the weekend. I've always used decent shorts but by the 4th lap of the mayhem I was hurting bad. Managed to sooth myself out with baby wipes and do a fith. Would these creams helped that much?

Would these creams helped that much?

Yep. Smear on chammy and round yer nethers.

Update, tried a healthy dollop of Vas/Sudo mixture (4 parts to 1) last night on a wet and muddy ride of around 2hrs.

Seemed to work as well as Assos, though without the lovely menthol breeze. Letting Sudocrem down with Vaseline makes it far less sticky - I'd probably use even less Sudo in future, maybe 6-1 ratio.

I might try adding lanolin, as I'm riding most days and I'm told that regular use of lanolin improves skin elasticity which may help.

Bag Balm is good stuff - it's a petroleum / lanolin based product with antisepctic in it from the US designed for soothing sore udders. It's also good as a healing aid for scrapes, chapped lips, etc.

You can get it on Ebay or if you kow someone going to the US it's sold in a lot of chemists etc.

For those who like live life on the edge I reckon the original recipe would be somewhat enlivened by the addition of a small tin of tiger balm*.

*If you were hanging around Brighton and the Zap in the early 90s you may well have met this girl 😉

Add witch hazel, works a treat.