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Does anyone have experience of ‘high-end’ baselayers like Spatz BaseZ2 or the Castelli Flanders?
Personal circumstances dictate Im going to have to grab riding time when I can over the coming months, which means riding in whatever the conditions.
Will mostly be used for road riding under a Perfetto jacket but also some mtb under a 7-mesh hoodie or Rab VR ridge line jacket
Happy to spend the money if they’re noticeably better than the Endura merino I normally use (which is getting a bit tatty anyway)
here you go....... spoil yourself.
i have some brynje tops......... awesome.
https://www.nordicoutdoor.co.uk/mens/baselayers/
7mesh gryphon? It's Polartec fleece, love mine. Not a base layer, as such, but really warm and brilliant at staying dry.
Which material Brynje do you recommend ton?
@,mick_r
i have a super thermo and a wool thermo. the wool one is warmer.
How do they size up Ton?
Hybrid merino & synthetic Helly Hansen is my favourite winter base layer
Assos baselayers are the best I’ve used and I’ve had endura / Costelli etc… really good at keeping you warm and not sweaty
Don't know if it counts as high end, but Helly Hansen are ubiquitous for a reason, I'm dead chuffed with mine (found in a wardrobe of a house I moved into in 2014 and still going strong!)
If your start point as “good” is an Endura Merino base layer then I’d suggest anything will be a step up. Every merino baselayer I’ve used has been a sweat magnet and horrible for any kind of hard exertion.
I’ve used a few synthetic ones, some of the expensive ones are good, but they’re not a huge amount better than the £8 Decathlon football ones, so I buy the latter.
Whatever you guy, make sure it’s a good, snug fit as that makes as much of a difference to performance as anything else.
Nothing works better or looks worse than the Brynje base layers!
I gave up on expensive base layers. Merino ones get damp and then you get cold despite the marketing blurb. All my base layers now are from Decathlon. I've got a few of the £8 ones and for the really cold rides I have the one with a windproof front. They are easily the best base layers I've used.
I gave up on expensive base layers. Merino ones get damp and then you get cold despite the marketing blurb. All my base layers now are from Decathlon. I’ve got a few of the £8 ones and for the really cold rides I have the one with a windproof front. They are easily the best base layers I’ve used.
This person speaks sense.
I gave up on expensive base layers. Merino ones get damp and then you get cold despite the marketing blurb. All my base layers now are from Decathlon. I’ve got a few of the £8 ones and for the really cold rides I have the one with a windproof front. They are easily the best base layers I’ve used.
Got to agree. The ski base layers are particularly good in winter (funnily enough)
Fit isn't always the best, but otherwise can't fault them
Yep, IME Merino just gets damp and stays damp.
I wear Arcteryx Rho thermal tops (ones I bought for skiing) under my winter jacket when it's really cold.
For milder conditons I wear HH Lifa SS tops.
Some of my Helly Hansen base layers are now 20 years old. They have a few holes, though, and I'm probably going to chuck them because of the smell. Can't really fault them, though. I'll check out the Decathlon ones, cheers.
The Brynje ones, you want the polypropylene Super Thermo mesh stuff. Looks terrible in a Right Said Fred sort of way, but works brilliantly. Polypro is hydrophobic, so absorbs very little moisture but still moves it outward. The mesh construction makes it surprisingly warm, but is also great for dumping heat rapidly if you vent the outer layer.
Merino makes for an awful high intensity baselayer ime. It absorbs a certain amount of moisture then turns into a sponge. If you want a more conventional baselayer, some sort of polytester is the way forward, the better stuff uses a differential construction to move moisture away from the skin. But for riding, Brynje. Or if you want something more conventional the roadie baselayer semi-mesh tops from the likes of Morvelo and Castelli work well.
Some of my Helly Hansen base layers are now 20 years old. They have a few holes, though, and I’m probably going to chuck them because of the smell. Can’t really fault them, though. I’ll check out the Decathlon ones, cheers.
Helly Lifa baselayers are also polypro. They changed the structure of the fabric a few years back so it doesn't trap debris/bacteria and stink in the same way as the older ones.
Best I've used for really good wicking ability are Patagonia Capilene 2/lightweight/silkweight and the old PowerDry from Pertex.
Please can someone make a Powerdry cycling jacket with Pertex classic front only.
We tend to use Decathlon or Helly Hansen in our house. Tried other stuff including more expensive stuff and these are the ones we’ve stuck with over the last 20 years. They’re as good (if not better) than anything else.
Best I’ve used for really good wicking ability are Patagonia Capilene 2/lightweight/silkweight
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Merino makes for an awful high intensity baselayer ime. It absorbs a certain amount of moisture then turns into a sponge
For years I thought it was just me, seems there's a few of us with this experience.
Best I’ve used for really good wicking ability are Patagonia Capilene
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by far and away the best base layer I've used. Only downside for me is it seems to get more static that any I've used previously.
Best I’ve used for really good wicking ability are Patagonia Capilene 2/lightweight/silkweight
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The Flanders is good in cold conditions when working quite hard - it wicks well and is ventilated under the arms. But since I don't work as hard as the people such garments are designed for it's not one I use for really cold weather. Then I go for old HH or a DHB Merino (with or without rollneck depending on how wussy I'm feeling), or two base layers.
I did some reading up on the base layer debate
Merino v Synthetic and it was more swaying towards Synthetic,Polypropylene and bought the Craft base layer but damn the smell that lingers is foul
Smells awesome after it’s washed
Wear it and sweat in it and it’s bowfin
Any suggestions on best washing ideas
White vinegar was suggested to kill the bacteria