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How do you know he didn't signal? And even if he didn't, why not just pass safely and stay in the bus lane?
I think he was escorting the range rover ahead, and got frustrated he might not keep up. He's clearly not very good at his job though, it can't be very professional to get that irritated at a cyclist, unnecessarily risk getting in an accident (by deliberately cutting in too close), then winding down the window and getting in an argument!? I think i'd ask for a different escort next time.
Graham S, not a dedicated right turn lane at that point, the lane markings are a bit ambiguous with a straight arrow just before a right arrow, just saying if someone had been up my arse at that point I would have been indicating right to let them know what I was planning.
All in all its that there London & I wouldn't be expecting the highway code to be followed to the letter even by a policeman
Why does the cop re-enter the right hand lane at all after his undertake, when he is apparently going straight on?
Punishment pull-out, as mentioned earlier. Although the copper has to re-enter the RH lane because he shouldn't be in the bus lane in the first place.
But given that the cyclist didn't end up turning right, but went straight on to chase down the cop car in his quest for justice, perhaps we can see why the copper is asking what the rider was doing in that lane to start with.
Changing your route to chase a bad driver doesn't put you in a great light, so neither of them ends up looking good.
Closing ranks eh?
Who'd have though it eh?
But we all know the end result, the copper will get away with being a ****.
If any of us did this to, say a motorbike cop, you'd be nicked.
I didn't think the 'copper' was that close and I think the cyclist was over the top...
I think we can all agree that he was [i]too[/i] close. What would happen if the cyclist swerved left for a pothole, got caught by a gust of wind, tyre blew out, or simply just meandered over a little, etc? The copper looked, to me at least, to be close enough to have caused a collision in one of the above scenarios. And these guys are our lead example of the Law. It doesn't give a very good message to the public, does it? If that's how the Law drives, then it must be OK with the Law.
The cyclist on the other hand rides flawlessly throughout. How anyone can say otherwise is beyond me. There's nothing more simple than riding in a straight line from A to B, even if A and B are in the right hand lane.
Both were acting like plums
that may well be the case. however, one is at least expected to act professionally and not be a plum, and is driving a large vehicle which is capable of inflicting a lot of damage.
just saying if someone had been up my arse at that point I would have been indicating right to let them know what I was planning.
Your position in the road would indicate your intent.
But if your intention wasn't clear, then it would be even more dangerous to undertake, knowing that the cyclist could move back over to the left at anytime (which would be reasonable to assume, given that he only pulled out initially to overtake stationary traffic.)
What a non-event that was, did the copper meet our (cyclists) expectations? No not really. Big deal.
But we all know the end result, the copper will get away with being a ****.
If any of us did this to, say a motorbike cop, you'd be nicked.
It's a bit of a pisser when you realise that life isn't fair isn't it 🙂
Punishment pull-out, as mentioned earlier. Although the copper has to re-enter the RH lane because he shouldn't be in the bus lane in the first place.
Exactly.
If he was happy to use the bus lane to undertake cos he was going straight on then he should have damn well stayed in it once he passed, not taken a blatant [i]"this'll learn 'im"[/i] swipe at the cyclist.
If he wasn't happy to use the bus lane he should have stayed behind the cyclist for the extra 5 seconds required till the bus lane ended and the straight-on lane appeared.
Anyone think he might have been escorting the other RR that passed the cyclist shortly before the cop car? He sped off fairly sharpest once the lights changed.. Poss to catch up again??
It was a shit manoeuvre though- even if on escort duty he didn't wait till he was well past him to pull in.
Should get knuckles wrapped for it.
Neither party showed themselves to be a good example of proper roadship. I suspect we've all let ourselves down in similar ways whilst sharing the highway.
Neither party showed themselves to be a good example of proper roadship.
Hmm.. personally I don't think the cyclist did anything particularly wrong.
(other than giving chase rather than letting it go)
Too close? not for a right hand over take, but for a undertake? Yes, at any point the cyclist could have swung left. According to the coppers stance he should of. So why would you undertake?
The copper knows that if he is not technically committing an offence then he is showing stiff in the wrong in terms of good practice.
(His "have you got a problem" on the attack is a bit of a give away.)
turn it another way, if the bike had swung left and been taken out by the undertaking copper.............
"Anyone think he might have been escorting the other RR that passed the cyclist shortly before the cop car?"
No. if he was then after stopping for a chat with a cyclist he'll be back on the beat. that would be a escort Fail.
other than giving chase after RLJing rather than letting it go
FTFY He is not the only one who wont let it go 😉
I suspect we've all let ourselves down in similar ways whilst sharing the highway.
True but there have to be higher standards set for plod
six of one and half a dozen of the other really.
copper is clearly following the Range Rover ahead and doesn't want to lose him - cyclist is using more lane than is necessary - if you're going to pull out that early, get over a bit more.
schoolboy error by the cyclist is leaving an exit for the vehicle. if I ever reprimand a driver I park infront of his bonnet so he can't get away without running me down (bit risky I know) and shout and gesture incoherently.
Looking at it again Al's right, it does look like he was an escort to the grey RR.
He wasn't wearing ID numbers on his vest either combined dark blue uniform, the shades and sh*tty attitude suggests he more than a run of the mill bobby.
Yep, said the same thing up there /\ ! Car has previously been in other escorts...Anyone think he might have been escorting the other RR
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianpressphotography/6017991321/
True but there have to be higher standards set for plod
True JY - personally I set low standards and on occasion achieve them. 😀
It does look like he was in tandem with what looks like an unliveried vehicle of the same colour/type/fleet.
more than a run of the mill bobby
he certainly was
cyclist is using more lane than is necessary - if you're going to pull out that early, get over a bit more.
It looked to me like he originally pulled out due to stuff in left lane (bus, cones, van). By the time it was clear it wasn't worth pulling back in again as he'd be back out in a matter of seconds to turn right ahead.
Look at the timeline, the cop undertakes at 0:28 and the bus lane ends at 0:34. He could have just waited six seconds.
This is the sort of thing that happens when you allow the police to wear sunglasses.
Should have called the copper a pleb......
😆True JY - personally I set low standards and on occasion achieve them
Inserts joke about public servants
He could have just waited six seconds.
He would then have had to RLJ - I will get it in every reply 😉
stgeorge - Member
Should have called the copper a pleb......
😀
I don't think the police did anything wrong with that driving, certainly don't think he exposed the rider to any risk, he did not have to take avoiding action. If the cyclist gets upset about that then he has a long way to go if he intends to carry on riding in London
Would the cyclist have started the argument without having a camera? i tend to agree with the suggestion that sometimes people court arguments and altercations.
Policemen wasn't that professional in his response thoough.
I don't think the police did anything wrong with that driving, certainly don't think he exposed the rider to any risk, he did not have to take avoiding action.
please don't drive anywhere near me....
I don't think the police did anything wrong with that driving
Undertaking, in a bus lane, with a solid white line, then swinging back across to the right, far too close to the cyclist, even though he is going straight on in the left lane?
You can't see anything wrong with any of that?
Would the cyclist have started the argument without having a camera? i tend to agree with the suggestion that sometimes people court arguments and altercations.
You're right in that he wouldn't have had any evidence of it without a camera, so he wouldn't have been able to make a complaint so may not have given chase.
He'd still have been cut up though so I don't see how having a camera caused it.
come on, get over it. The driving wasn't great but he hardly threatened the guys life did he? The cyclist didn't have to swerve, brake or take avoiding action.
Agreed. It's a lot of hot air. Maybe the RR was a little close, but I don't think the cyclist was in danger. He would only be where he is if he was turning right - as he himself later implies - in which case I don't have a problem with the RR in the bus lane. Assume the cyclist used a hand signal to indicate intentions? Copper not so professional in response but not the end of the world. I do agree that the editing is suspicious though - suggests the cyclist went through a red to catch up. Also as other noted, looks like a close support RR for the silver one - its his job to stay close to that car. Coppers flout the law all the time - that's not news.
TBH most of the videos I've seen on Youtube like this, the cyclist is over-reacting. I say most, not all.
So it's not bad driving, unless he hits him.
Remember, this is someone who is supposed to enforce the law.....
TBH most of the videos I've seen on Youtube like this, the cyclist is over-reacting. I say most, not all
The obvious exception being the petrol anker that pulls out onto a mini roundabout nearly taking out the cyclist. Can't link to it from work but it was genuinly shocking.
Someones tried to illustrate how close he was on here...
http://www.advanced-driving.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4023&start=75
The driving wasn't great but he hardly threatened the guys life did he?
He did though. That [i]is[/i] the point. There was very little margin for error there, and it was absolutely unnecesary. As already said, if it was essential he could have carried on in the bus lane (or switched on the blues and twos). But instead made the choice swerve towards a guy on a bike with a bit of polystyrene on his head, on an otherwise clear road.
he hardly threatened the guys life did he?
Oh that's alright then...
So it's not bad driving, unless he hits him.
Remember, this is someone who is supposed to enforce the law.....
Yep exactly. WTF? The bloke is the police. He should be setting an example with good driving. He definitely shouldn't be trying to teach cyclists a lesson by swiping at them with his car.
cyclist is using more lane than is necessary
Cyclist in 'behaving like vehicle in accordance with approved training' shock. I believe this is called 'taking the lane' and exactly what he should have done to turn right.
So it's not bad driving, unless he hits him.
That's the Police view generally when it comes to other vehicles. It's a good one that Catch 22
[url] http://www.advanced-driving.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4023&start=75 [/url]
That forum's rubbish!
They're all far too reasonable and consdiered on there.
Police driver needs his arse kicked.
franksinatra - Member
I don't think the police did anything wrong with that driving,
from ^^ this to:
The driving wasn't great but he hardly threatened the guys life did he?
You're not a politician are you frank?
franksinatra - Member
I don't think the police did anything wrong with that driving,from ^^ this to:
The driving wasn't great but he hardly threatened the guys life did he?
You're not a politician are you frank?
Fair point. For clarity then, I think the driving was inconsiderate and unprofessional, not dangerous.
People are seriously saying this isn't too close? Particularly given the significant acceleration also going on? And given that this is a head mounted camera, not an "end of left handlebar" or "left elbow" mounted camera.
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I second what was said earlier. Please don't drive near me.
I second what was said earlier. Please don't drive near me
Just because people question how much danger the policeman has put the cyclist in, it doesn't mean they drive like him.
You can actually see the end of the bus lane in that photo, by the grey RR.
Absolutely no reason for the police car to be pulling back to the right.
If we was going to undertake in the bus lane then at least do it safely.
if he was on a job following that other car, I wonder what would happen if you smashed his wing mirror off - whether he'd just let you go and call it in, if he'd break off from the job and take you down or if he'd just pull out his Glock and pop you and carry on with his job.