[Closed] Giving up commuting after a close pass? Bit dramatic?

Only you can decide whether it's too risky to carry on but if I were in your situation I would be investing in a helmet camera and possibly a rear facing one attached to your bike as well .

I've stopped. To many actual hits topped of with a broken spine. Mine was 13 miles each way. You could run the 3 miles, or walk it. It now takes me a minimum of 60 minutes to drive the shorter 9 mile route, and it costing me a fortune in fuel and parking.

If your commute is only 3 miles then I'd certainly be exploring a longer, less busy route. I often double my return journey distance so that I can use the local canal network rather than some of the busiest roads in Greater Manchester

Would be option b for me.

life is too short to have some ****er who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but themselves gambling with it.

I stopped riding due to the commute which has been also most 3 years now,  Only started looking for new Bike last week as kids getting slightly older and I need something to do on the weekends.

Personally I would not mix the 2 again but living in London did not help.  I know not everyone has the choice but I was totally scared riding on roads lost that feeling of freedom.

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Option B - makes my route 4.1 miles instead of 3.6. Cleaner air instead of guaranteed exhaust fumes. Can relax a bit once I'm out of town.

Get a helmet cam and film it. You can have the crown prosecute seriously close passes for dangerous driving.

Personally I hate cycling on roads these days, especially busy ones or windy narrow ones which temp held up drivers to make a risky pass.

I'm fortunate enough to live near the TPT which runs east west and allows me to avoid a lot of roads.

Maybe at the worse parts ride on the pavement in Cheltenham a lot of the pavements are dual purpose so even the council know how bad it is as said above look for quieter roads amazing how quiet some roads can be just of the main ones from my years of commuting always gets bad after the 6weeks holiday then around Christmas then calms down a bit.

Option B.

Find a quieter route, even if it means a detour. Or run it. My most direct commute (10km) involves a horrible stretch of dual carriageway plus some other pretty unpleasant busy roads in rush hour, so almost always take a longer (13km) but much quieter route. Fortunate in having various traffic free options for some sections.

I hate road riding, so I defo don't commute by road any more. However there is a dead nice 6 km off road to my office which is flat, has about 500m total road, and is twice as far as the most direct route. Treat your extra distance as a treat, and use alt transport the rest of the time.

3 miles through a residential area. I'd probably take my BMX or 4X hardtail and stay mainly on the pavement hopping curbs, manualling and checking out the ladies.

If you're not down with that option 3

Thanks!

I have a helmet cam for the mtb.

I don't think it's an option for me, I'm more concerned about my own well being than prosecuting someone after they have crashed into me.

I might have a closer look at less busy roads. They will be residential streets so changes the risk from people driving like a dangerous loon to driving like a distracted numpty.

Having watched one of my students hopping curbs and almost talking out a couple of pedestrians,I might give that a miss. My days of cracking frames just riding along (or down the steps of central Edinbrugh) are over.

My wife might have something to say about the checking out ladies bit 😉

Don’t honestly know how you could consider letting the driving ****s win.

No way I could give up commuting - couldn’t afford to, for one thing. But giving up cos there’s a few ignorant bastards on the road, no way. **** em.

Find a quieter more scenic route is my choice. Take a break for a bit.

Walk it. Listen to some podcasts on the way.

My best time for my 3 mile walk is 42 minutes.

 But giving up cos there’s a few ignorant bastards on the road, no way. **** em.

That's not quite the point though is it? Its not like "standing up to bullies" most of the time, it's more like "putting you life into the hands of idiots"

I've had the same job for the last 15years and bike commuted most of the time.

2 things have made me stop;

1. Getting a dog so going for a good hours stomp before work

2. Realised it just want fun anymore and I was getting more and more stressed/annoyed at the complete lack of empathy for a fellow human when people are intentionally close passing and pulling out.

Also the realisation that I'm not going to change the world- I haven't inspired anyone else to commute by bike there isn't anyone else on my route cycling so **** it, I drive my Transit van the 6miles each way to work and back. They win but I'm alive and less stressed driving.

I don’t think it’s an option for me, I’m more concerned about my own well being than prosecuting someone after they have crashed into me.

But if enough cyclists have helmet cams and even dash cams in cars then people will be much less likely to indulge in bad driving as the chances of being caught will massively increase .

I'd try a mixture of driving and cycling the quietest route you can. Life is too short to cycle on busy roads.

I gave up for this very reason a few yrs ago having various near misses on my 7 mile cycle across Aberdeen.

If the direct route is 3 miles and you have the option of say extending it to a 5 mile route avoiding the danger zones then that seems the best idea.

Not exactly moon miles assuming it's reletivley flat, after all it's a commute not a race..

That’s not quite the point though is it? Its not like “standing up to bullies” most of the time, it’s more like “putting you life into the hands of idiots

If it’s close passes, bullying is exactly what it is. I’ve been close passed more times than I can remember, but putting my life into their hands?? Its annoying, but nah. maybe two were anywhere near that. And they weren’t bullies, just ****ing morons. But I didn’t give up, I changed my route and I’m still here.

If it was me I would drive or walk to work. IMO a busy commute is not worth the hassle or the risk.

I feel like a lot of people who commute do a really bad job of managing risk. So many of the roads in the uk are just too dangerous to ride on. Blows my mind sometimes when i see people that are clearly otherwise really sensible riding on them. Often when theres a pavemwnt right next to them!! Yes i know its not really legal to ride on pavements but often its the only aensible choice aside from pushing.

Op.. i think youve seen the light. Youre route sounds far too dangerous. Youre clearly at risk. Id say either reroute or get on the pavement on the stretches you feel youre most at risk on.

Life is too short and fragile for that shit.

They win but I’m alive and less stressed driving.

I find driving to work much more stressful than cycling to work. Sitting in a tin can no thanks. Would much rather ride! Maybe once or twice a week I'll call someone a prick once they're 100yards down the road for breaking the speed limit and passing me closer than I'd prefer, but never had any really close passes thankfully. But ride on the pavement at pinch points up hill in town. On way home have time to ride along seafront avoid roads and piss about hoping off things etc. Too many reasons to give up just because of a few pricks who round my way seem to be in the minority.

Thanks for the input.

A week of driving followed by smaller roads next week I think

Cheers

Martin

Go option B

Run, or get a bmx and go all 'street' railing cars, popping over mopeds, and high fiving pedestrians.

I'd run.

I notice a lot of drivers eyes on the roads, and so, so many are looking down at their laps and up, and laps and up...

Scary shit.

Option B.

I've commuted for the past 5 years, done about 30,000 miles.

I have a rule, if i find i get lots of close passes on a certain stretch of road i change my commute and take a different route. Often its not the driver that intentionally makes a close pass but the design of the road that kind of forces them to take risks to get past you, they just don't understand.

My current route takes me about 10 minutes longer but its far more enjoyable than the direct fast route. Can't actually remember my last close pass.

If it is only 3 miles I would walk.  Better exercise than a 3 mile bike ride and still doesn't take that long (45 minutes).  I used to walk 3 miles to work for a few years and found it did me good.  Although if I had to do it today I would probably get an electric micro scooter for the times I want to get there or back a bit quicker.

This time of year is the worst for it - you always get about 3 weeks of utter insanity as the mornings get darker and colder and then the clocks go back.

My commute is a mix of driving, riding or getting the train depending on factors like weather, what I'm doing at work (carrying lots of stuff in = car, going out after work = train and so on) but I'm always extra careful on the bike around now.

Most people don't do much driving other than the commute and basic errands so as soon as it's dark in the mornings, it takes them a week to get used to it. Minor things like remembering to turn the lights on (4 cars this morning), finding out that a bulb has blown (far too many one-eyed cars to count this morning!), de-misting the windows... Add in leaves on the road, wet weather, low autumn sun at rush hour time - October / early November is just a nightmare.

See if you can change your commute route for a bit, mix it up to stop it becoming a chore.

Definitely look for a different route, especially as the commute is so short. If you're really worried get a (kick) scooter and use that (can pop on the pavements too)

My route home is 1 mile longer than my route in, but it's much quieter. I just want to get to work in the morning and the roads are quieter because I leave early. On the way home the roads are busier and it's slightly uphill so I'm slower. I take a slower way home, often on an off road path. Ironically the only commuting crash I've had was a head on collision with an idiot cyclist flying round a blind corner on the off road path

I have two part time jobs, one shift work and the other a 9-5'er. The shift job is 12 miles each way of country roads and then straight through Chesterfield, but being shift work I miss all the rush hours. I like this ride to be fair, less so at 5am of a piss wet dark morning but hey. Then I got job two which is a flat 7 mile run down the A6 between Bakewell and Matlock, and chuff me it is an absolute horror show. I'm a long time cycle commuter, and this was as unpleasant a ride as I have had, give me a busy city centre any day! But luckily there is the White Peak Trail that runs parallel to the A6, on mixed gravel type surfaces. So I built up an old trek steel rigid 26', accepted the fact it was going to take longer than the road bike and I now love this ride too. When the weather is good I get to enjoy some of my local trails which is a great bonus 😁 I don't believe this mtfu business some on here seem to suggest; adapt, survive and be happy ✌️

If it is only 3 miles I would walk. Better exercise than a 3 mile bike ride and still doesn’t take that long (45 minutes).

Defo, by the time you get all your gear on, buggering about with lights etc, wouldn't be much longer walking. Get to work nice n chilled too.

Re-route to avoid the busiest sections.

A question for those who are suggesting a camera, I realise it can might as a deterrent to some, but its not actually going to PREVENT a close pass or worse is it? Its all very well having the footage of the accident that paralysed you.....

I've been commuting by bike for around 16 years. I had a deliberate close overtake a couple of months ago that made me think about jacking it in, but I know deep down that the long term benefits outweigh the short term risks.

I have a camera on my bike. The police didn't even respond to my email about the overtake, although they did for a previous incident.

I'd look for alternative routes, rather than stopping.

If it is only 3 miles I would walk. Better exercise than a 3 mile bike ride and still doesn’t take that long (45 minutes).

Defo, by the time you get all your gear on, buggering about with lights etc

My commute is a similar length.

Putting my gear on takes the same time as it would if I were walking, because 'my gear' is a jacket and a helmet. My lights live on the bike, which has full mudguards and a chain guard, and only need charging about once a month, plus I have a set of dynamo lights on the bike as well so they're always there and on.

Rather than a million lights and lots of high-viz, I think looking like a normal human being is the biggest help. I ride an old post office bike* and get much more considerate overtakes when riding that in normal clothes compared to a 'proper' bike.

*An Elephant Bike ( https://www.cycleofgood.com/elephant-bike/) by far the best commuter I've ever had, and only £250.

I had similar on my commute home, 7 km of angry drivers and breathing fumes. I used the website here to try and find an alternative as I wasn't familiar with the area, works quite well and allows you to select quietest or balanced. The quietest route is only 3 km longer than the fastest route, but it's so much nicer and less stressful.

I'd hate to commute to work on a bike, but if I did and the direct route was 3miles, I'd find a 5 mile route if necessary that avoided the danger roads.  Its not like it would take very long.

A question for those who are suggesting a camera, I realise it can might as a deterrent to some, but its not actually going to PREVENT a close pass or worse is it? Its all very well having the footage of the accident that paralysed you…

I don't think anyone's ever been paralysed by a close pass.

I don't use my camera as a deterrent (it's not obvious I have one), but so many incidents, you think at the time were close or dodgy, you look back at the footage and it's like, hmm, not really. Or you pick up  your camera in the evening ' did anything happen today?' and you can't even remember! so, obviously nothing did (even if you recall swearing at some idiot on the ride!).

I'd rather ride with a camera than without. But, whatever others do is up to them, not going to try and say it's right or wrong.

So apart from post up the crap driving on here what do you do with the footage? Do you send it to the police as evidence?

I've sent it to police - they tried but the van was unreg'ed and couldn't be traced. They phoned me back to tell me, which was cool as Hants police aren't that interested usually.

I've also sent liveried van footage (or stills) to companies, or just phoned them and always had good results (ie. apologies and 'we'll talk to him')

I've stuck footage on youtube just to have a rant and/or laugh about it, which makes me feel better. Not much lately though, as I ride home on back roads.

[edit]before I had a cam, I got hit (not hard) by a dump truck and it still bugs me to this day, as the driver just denied it (how the **** would he have known). I'm sure if I'd had a cam back then I could've got the **** in more trouble than just me calling him a stupid ****.

I am switching to a CX bike, my commute is not too bad, only one busy road but the CX bike will take that out the equation using a bridleway for some of it, while still not being completely shite on the road.

C2W  scheme making it a relatively cheap option and much safer

Have commuted by bike for the last 18 years in both London and Leeds  and love it to be fair.

Basically, don't give up on riding to work.  The key I find is (to try) not to get angry with people, just relax, enjoy and keep your wits about you - you generally know where the pinch points are most likely to be on any given route so just be extra vigilant and don't let the b*stards grind you down. A smile goes a long way and people will generally apologise if they realise they've cut you up accidentally (I know not all are accidental).

Some have said life's too short to risk being knocked off etc, personally I think life is just too short - therefore no way am I stopping doing something I really enjoy for the sake of a few numpties on the roads. Who's to say if I stopped cycling to work I'm not going to get hit by a bus or something instead!

To be honest although there are plenty of "near misses" I think the overall general awareness of drivers (not everyone through obviously) in respect of bikes on the road has improved over the years, particularly as there are more and more of us out there.

S

I've been commuting by bike for almost 25 years now, on various different routes in different towns and cities. For the last few years I've had a shortish route on reasonably quiet back roads. I have been knocked off by a motorist once (actually on a cycle path, not on the road) and have had the usual close passes (one of which was genuinely life threatening and reported to the cops).

I wouldn't stop cycling to work, because the benefits far outweigh the risks, in my situation. If I didn't cycle I would lose regular daily exercise that I don't have to think about, which is good for my head and my body. I would also be spending a load of money on either driving, which I hate, or public transport that would take at least three times longer for the journey.

Commuted by bike for 30 plus years always in cities but never more than 7 miles.Usually in heavy city centre traffic

Control / own the road around you. Somewhere between assertive and aggressive.  Make eye contact with as many drivers as you can.  Sit up and wave them thru even if it costs you a few seconds when its clear to do so. Fat sticky tyres and disc brakes a must as well.  Assume every car driver is a blind idiot.  Be prepared to scream at cars that close gaps on you.  Look like a human being - a soft squishy smiling one.

Never stop riding - don't let them grind you down.!

B - my commute is a mile or two longer than it could be, but more than 50 per cent is away from any roads.

100% option B - even if it requires the use of an MTB over a road bike. There's got to be a better route.

My commute is 2 miles through a busy town centre 1-way system. On the way to work 0.7 of a mile is on a road, with 0.5 being on a quiet road with slow cars, no issues. On the way home it's 0.8 of a mile on roads, again with 0.5 being on a quiet dead end road.

take the safest/ most enjoyable route.

I took the short route this morning - it was surprisingly pleasant - normally its "Southampton's very own how many closes passes in 4 km world record challenge."

I normally double double the distance (of that first half) and take the scenic bike path along the coast.

I realised a few years ago that i commute for enjoyment, i enjoy a pleasant cycle- not dicing with traffic

I've taken option C. But then I'm stubborn and refuse to be bullied even when I know there are better options. I've also taken to not telling Mrs Lunge about the near misses or the accidents, I worry more about her worrying than me getting hit. In your shoes, with a 3 mile commute I'd go for a longer option and take it up to 4 or 5. Actually, I wouldn't, I'd run it but I accept that may not be an option for some.

I know it most likely won't do anything and it slightly off topic, but can all those who have given up or almost given up commuting by bike contact their local councilors and/or MP? I totally understand it and have considered driving my 10 mile each way commute which involves busy junctions and a stretch of A road which is terrifying. But unless it's made an issue of it's only going to get worse.

Thing about the last stretch of my commute, up to the office - it's a diversion everyone takes if the motorway is blocked (a regular thing). So it's difficult to overtake me as there is a lot more traffic coming the other way. And this, for some unfathomable reason, is MY FAULT! 😆 Lorry was behind me for ages this morning... but he waited for the elusive gap,  did a sensible overtake, for which he got the thumbs up from me. Not always like that. But I get em on me cam 😀

My route also had a good off road route, but the middle section (residential street) was where I was knocked off. My route was a mix of TPT, farm tracks and Fallowfield Loop, but a road section between the TPT and the Loop was where I was got (when on the road bike), so even the off road route went out the window (it was even a designated 'NCN cycle route).

I've had that many scrapes that I gave up. It's a different ball game commuting, and riding on road away from rush hours.  I've actually hung up the three road bikes also, and only ride off road now - too many loons in cars.

I don’t think it’s an option for me, I’m more concerned about my own well being than prosecuting someone after they have crashed into me.

Seems sensible! Also helmet cam evidence is only really worth it if you can really be arsed reporting etc.

It sounds to me like a 4.1 mile nice route would probably be worthwhile - you might want to try wearing more casual clothing and no helmet to avoid close passes etc. too.

you might want to try wearing more casual clothing and no helmet to avoid close passes 

Except that's bloody nonsense. I've seen extreme close passes of women on sit-up-&-beg bikes dressed casually, I've seen close passes of little kids. Whoever did that  "study" is a twonk.

Except that’s bloody nonsense. I’ve seen extreme close passes of women on sit-up-&-beg bikes dressed casually, I’ve seen close passes of little kids. Whoever did that  “study” is a twonk.

Yeah, nonsense.

Whilst not completely valid that study did show a tendency and one noted by many folk including me.  the more you look like a squishy human the more courtesy you get on the roads

... except of course that his second study failed to show anything of the sort but somehow people seem to forget that.

  except of course that his second study failed to show anything of the sort but somehow people seem to forget that.

If you follow Operation Close Pass from West Mids Police twitter, they don't reckon it makes any difference what the cyclist is wearing unless it is blindingly obviously a policeman! And even then, they've had near misses...

That study referenced above is a bit like the vaccines / autism one. One (flawed) study showed a link, thousands showed no link. Which one do people remember...?

Thanks crazy-legs, saves me coming back and arguing the point 🙂

I agree crazy legs.

i wear a white shirt and epaulettes at work, when driving home on the motorway it is amazing how many drivers will overtake me, pull back into my lane, then put the brakes on.

it doesn’t happen if I remove the epaulettes.

i can only assume that people think I’m a police officer.

I don’t drive fast, generally under 60mph, so there’s no reason for anyone to slow down after they’ve passed me.

Yep, I’ve worn all colours including bright orange tops, all with flashing lights on the bike, and it makes absolutely no difference. Drivers either think you shouldn’t be on the road and close pass you on purpose, or they are just such bad unaware drivers that they think 3” passing space is ok for you!!

Here's a close pass from this morning (the only driver to recognise me as an experienced cyclist, obv 😉 )

So...

literally [b]3 seconds[/b] later, the road widens!

Then, about 12 seconds after he overtook

Yes, we're making the same right turn. This is how much he gained with that overtake

My quickest route would be 9 miles and less than 40 minutes. The quieter alternative is 11.5 for an extra 10 mins (maybe even 14 miles if I have the time). It's more time on my bike (good) and quicker than the bus (50mins) so no brainer at that.

I also have a helmet cam which I haven't had to use in earnest other than texters at the wheel passing me by.

Anyway, I just posted that to give me a chance to look it over and decide if I'm going to report him to the company.

That's why I have a camera.

Last cyclist here that reported someone, they wouldn't give their details, or discipline them because blah blah blah data protection... and that person actually hit the cyclist!! So I probably won't do anything except

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dezb - looks like in overtaking you, he forced an oncoming car to move over as well, which seems to be happening more & more often.
Not that long ago, the cars on my side of the road (I was driving at the time) all had to come to a stop, due to an oncoming driver deciding she had to overtake the cyclist she was bearing down on even though there was a procession of oncoming traffic - she pulled out to overtake, left quite a bit of room for the cyclist, just failed to take into account several oncoming cars now with nowhere to go!

Why is his number plate blurred out in the last image, but not in the second? N1 HLC looks to be a personalised one.

 looks like in overtaking you, he forced an oncoming car to move over as well

Pretty common along there. Should've seen the bus driver's face a few months back when a van almost forced him into the grass verge!

[i]Why is his number plate blurred out in the last image, but not in the second?[/i]

Laziness 😆