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Interesting article, what does everyone think?
they'll all start doing this 😉
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Rossi to Vincent for 2014? 😉
It makes total sense to be designing bespoke front ends in motor sport where you have almost totally control of the whole product
I suspect however, as in mtb, it's just too easy to buy off the shelf existing units & design around them
BMW seemed to be pushing a complete front & rear package but it's not really taken off.
I have ideas & sketches of a single sided, anti-dive, rear shock based front end but lack the ability to manufacture one
It goes offroad too 🙂
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I'd love someone to develop a more up to date version with a bit more travel and/or a slacker head angle ... so thepodge; I'd be happy to be a product tester 😉
plenty of funky fork designs abound that dont need total frame design, but
consumers are more conservative than they like to think. Ironically BMW invented the telescopic fork.
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Looks conventional but isn't.
Had a brief go on one and first impressions were very good.
Just stick pedals on the side
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I wonder how many people manage to get on that last one facing the wrong way 😉
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Steve, there is a 1000 pound product tester fee, none refundable
CTM, that alke fork is I think the same as the one I saw in Bristol, I want it so much it hurts
Hmmm...
Boke is nice though.
My F29RL's should be with you tomorrow Snr' LoCo... 🙂
Seems to me that the pilot is the most important factor in the steering and front wheel problem. I don't remember Agostini complaining about all that crap.
Yes, but the bikes were a fair bit slower along with the tyres having nowhere near as much grip which is a contributory factor in chatter.
takisawa2, great will get on them first thing next week. 😀
What's with that Bionicon? Only thing I can see is an extra cable/hose near the bars.. some sort of balanced fork/shock combo? Didn't Muddy Fox do this?
Interesting link, thanks.
Ok it's rigid and that comes with different issues, but riding a Jones F+F makes me realise how flexy even a good / stiff MTB telescopic fork with 100mm hub wheel actually is, mainly under braking, also on off-cambers or those wonky landings. Whether sus forks need to be any stiffer on an MTB is debatable though. Under braking, yes, it'd be good (anti-dive would be more interesting) but at the speeds where it would count I expect you'd be on stiffer, longer dual-crown forks and brake dive / weight shift is more of an issue than fork flex.
Dunno about heavier motorbikes, but for MTBs the telescopic seems to be the best compromise. But I'd like to see a few more rake options, as we have on 29er forks now - to balance weight distribution and trail better. Would be interesting to ride a slack 150mm forked FS bike with nearer 50mm rake.
The bionicon has "fixed" travel front and rear, but you can "tilt" the bike fore/aft by 30mm (I.e extend the a-c length, and lower the bottom bracket, and vice versa).
DrP
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-was-wrong-with-leading-link-forks-whyte-use-sub-girvins
have ideas & sketches of a single sided, anti-dive, rear shock based front end but lack the ability to manufacture one
You mean you drew a USE Sub? 😉
The Alike one is like this one from Bespoked: http://www.bespokedbristol.co.uk/Bespoked_2012_Photos.html#55
It was on a Crisp titanium frame. The whole bike was lovely but I really liked the fork. If I ever make a bike I will make something similar but out of carbon fibre.
I like the lefty style one above - the link with strut is used on aircraft undercarriages and is plenty tough enough:
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nicko74 - You mean you drew a USE Sub?
Different shock placement