[Closed] Fed up of remote trail centres

Road bike?

FC don't have any land in and around towns? I guess it's what's available. There are some 'local' trails here in Morayshire, Sanquhar Woods, I think that is a community development and to be encouraged.

Moray Monster Trails, you forgot about those, but granted an hour away as well.

Might have trail conflict issues as well, funding, etc.

BTW, Glenlivet is Crown Estate IIRC...

Move?

How many FC forests in town centres? Both my local FC forests have trails maintained by volunteers, not the FC. Which trails have you built locally? Also, what do the FC get from it? People whinge about Thetford's trails and then dodge the parking by using lay-by and bringing their own food. 😉

I live in Brighton. Nearest 'proper' trail centre is in Wales.

I'd be pleased with an hour's drive...

You don't have to go to a trail center to ride a mountain bike, just go out into the countryside and look around..

I think we need to build more towns on mountains. Yes, that is clearly the solution.

I'd agree with you, if you lived somewhere with lots of folk and limited places to ride - but FFS you live in Inverness, Scotland.

You can ride anywhere you please (right to roam) and tbh you're complaining about driving for an hour to get to 4 trail centres - in many places an hour barely gets you through the next borough, never mind a trail centre.

I've only been riding a mountain bike since 1986 so you'll have to tell me what a trail centre is.

What's wrong with a map?

Edit: that came out harsh. I think it's incredibly positive how much countryside there is to explore out there, and teaching kids that there's more than just trail centres will do them a power of good. I can't wait to show my little man around the chilterns, to show him the huge playground that's out there for those with a bit of initiative.

Really?

Complaining that trail centres are out in the woods?

Really?

I live in Brighton. Nearest 'proper' trail centre is in Wales.

I live in Harrogate. Nearest 'proper' trail centre is in Les Gets.

Can't tell if trolling or not, I think you are, but if not...

I grew up near Inverness before trail centres were even a glint in a middle aged IT manager's eyes reflecting in his Audi rear view mirror.

I managed to ride my bike (bought from Halfords in Inverness, seeing as you mention it) on cracking singletrack after school, at weekends and all through school holidays, with absolutely no problem. There is a load of riding to be had around Inverness and on the black isle, you just need to think for yourself, and pedal yourself there if you can't drive, which I couldn't when I was at school.

Yep, Cannock chase is miles from civilisation (insert joke about Cannock locals here )

I'd assume if I lived in Inverness with right to roam and all that stuff you're lucky to have – I'd be spoilt for choice!

Whilst OP specifically mentions the Forestry Commision, more Bike Trails for beginner/intermediate riders are needed closer to towns in my opinion.

The only ones that I can think of in the UK are new ones near Sheffield (Greno Woods) and Ashton Court in Bristol.

The issue that you will find is that many country parks on the edges of town are full of other users such as dog walkers and run by trusts and the like and are generally not overly welcoming to Mountain Bikers or cyclists in general. The one just outside of Leicester certainly isn't cyclist friendly.

You know what I have only been to a trail center once or twice. I used to ride 1.5 hours to get to Cannock Chase to get out in to the woods. Now that it has a trail center I don't know if I would go back other than to the non trail center bits (given that covers a pretty big area). There is plenty of riding to be had wherever you are, even in and around cities. You have seen a bloke called Danny, I think it is, doing some stuff in towns on a mountain bike. I think he comes from Scotland and has his own documentary on Dave tonight. 😉

If this is a troll, well done, but having a go at a landowner that allows, even encourages, the like of us is a pretty low blow. As I said; well done.

Aston Court / Leigh Woods in Bristol has been a runaway success, but that has brought with it a some user conflict. The result is a lot of rather peculiar barriers to discourage riders carrying speed out of sections and annihilating dogs and children. The Welsh centres don't have that level of mixed use, and are perhaps a more exciting riding experience as a result.

But agreed with others that some combination of riding and a map usually finds you somewhere to ride. 🙂

I think we need to build more towns on mountains. Yes, that is clearly the solution.

No - the solution is move the mountains closer to the towns

but what about encouraging kids with sod all money and their Halfords special.

they're happily building trails in the woods round the back of your house

There's a few community 'trail' centres in the north of Scotland that I know of, grantown, abriachan and forres. Ideal for kids, they're smaller than FC trails so can be in a forest adjacent to town, but being community trails, the community has to pull its finger out in order to have it built.
Nearest 'built' trails to me are an hours cycle away, but the forests between here and there yield almost as much entertainment.

Edit to add that abriachan is 20 mins from inverness

FC own large blocks of marginal land, often in areas suitable for mountain bike trails. Simplistically, better quality land is usually either built upon or used for houses/ buildings/ growing food. FC has a remit to provide recreational facilities (we fund the FC via taxation) but other, private landowners do not have to do this and I know of nobody who would do so. Further, the area required may be larger than a single parcel of land, raising lots of problems negotiating access etc.

However, there are a few places I know of in Wales that have met and overcome some of these difficulties to some extent.

Cwmrhaedr- community venture on FC land. Free access. You don't even have to pay for car parking. 4 miles from nearest town/ railway station.

Trallwm- pay to park, private land, free trails. Nearest village about three miles, nearest station about four.

Garw valley trails- slap bang in middle of the village! No train. Free to park I think, free to use. Very compact area.

Penmachno?

Afan- easily accessible from Port Toilet on the cycle track.

Near Ammanford, the local council seem to be building tiny (just a few hundred metres length) skills trails in the local parks, as well as in the local 'Country Paks' like Llyn Llech Owain, Millennium Coastal Path and various others.

Bike Park Wales and Antur Stiniog both cost to use because they are private ventures. I've not been yet so can't comment any more.

Fort William is hardly a huge distance from the trails at Nevis Range.

OP- I think you are trolling or unaware of what is being done in some places and also of why it is not being done in other places. Ordnance Survey maps show Right's of Way and other paths and tracks. Inverness, with its very civilised Scottish land access laws will have lots to offer if you look. Go ask at the local bike shop.

'I live in Harrogate. Nearest 'proper' trail centre is in Les Gets. ' Fantastic 🙂

Buy a bit of land close to you and build a trail centre? Or move Closer to a Trail centre.

I'm 2 and a bit hours from the Peak District and consider that quite good luck really.

Who needs a trail centre when you have a city;

Great work locally here in Manchester. I can see the OPs point

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but what about encouraging kids with sod all money and their Halfords special

OP - you forgot Balblair and Carbisdale. How many stops in the train is that from Inverness?

You live in Scotland and have four decent trail centres plus I'm sure* copious amount of natural stuff locally, I have no sympathy!

* I may have made this up as I don't know the area tbh.

We have one in Birmingham 🙂
OK, not really a day out in the woods but for a short blast of urban biking they've done a pretty fantastic job.

I just can't have any sympathy. Live in Basingstoke. Everything from the back door is on clay or chalk, nearest trail centres at QE Country Park (chalky and a bit rubbish) and Swinley which is over ridden, eats your bike in the wet and a bit rubbish. There is other stuff 20 mins away and the Surrey Hills and hour from home.

From Inverness you have Balblair, Golspie, Laggan, Aveimore etc all excellent and not really that far and I know there is other local stuff.

Suggest a box of tissues and a heavy dose of eye drying.

but what about encouraging kids with sod all money and their Halfords special.

We dont want them to nick our decent bikes?!

Im super surprised you can moan about Trail Centres when you live in Inverness surrounded by all the natural riding you have and sorry but Golspie rules, I'd love to have it only 2 hours from my doorway! I've holidayed twice in Inverness now and I'd love to live there with all the natural beauty and places to go on my doorstep!!

but what about encouraging kids with sod all money and their Halfords special.

they're happily building trails in the woods round the back of your house

In September I made a conscious effort to ride random routes home from work and followed all the little bits of singletrack in the little sections of woods left between the housing estates. There are some cracking little trails made by kids riding their bikes on them for the last thirty years.

D'ont take the mountain to Mohamed ,take Mohamed to the mountain!

Last time I was at Gisburn there were some kids (15-17ish) who had got a train then ridden the last of the route to the trail centre on their actual bicycles.

Some people are losing sight of what 'MTB' is and where it came from. Others get it )

Cannock Chase - within riding distance of the whole of cannock, within easy riding distance of the train station.

Sandwell - Just been built, within riding distance of 1/2 of west brom to birmingham

Not bad really, eh? Where there is land there will be trails, you cant have a bloody mtb centre in the middle of London can you?

*Is happy Dunblane is about to get a 'trail centre' and has oooodles of local trails, and natural trails, all accessible by bike, train or car.* 8)

Last time I was at Gisburn there were some kids (15-17ish) who had got a train then ridden the last of the route to the trail centre on their actual bicycles.

That's how I get to my local trail centre too; I ride there.

Is Learnie Red Rock not still going then? Thought that was closer to Inverness. Never been myself but the place got plenty of publicity years ago.

A lot of these things were specifically built in the middle of nowhere, in order to get people to go there. Laggan's a great example as there's good numbers available, after a year the benefit to the local economy was as large as the original built cost.

Learnie's a bit sad now midlifecrashes, it lost a chunk of its black route to forestry work so now it's very disjointed, the skills area was partly collapsed and felt totally abandoned.

If you're a mountain biker, you'll find trails.

The only Cities I regularly visit, Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield, have loads of cheeky stuff hidden away.

Manchester and Sheffield even have trail centres now!

[i]FC don't have any land in and around towns? I guess it's what's available.[/i]
FCS have lots, but they don't build trail centres any more...
http://www.forestry.gov.uk/wiat

When are we going to cater for riders in a way that doesnt mean loading up vans/cars with a days kit, sitting in the said car for two hours, riding for two and then going home again. Plus the kids we need to be getting out there simply never get the opportunity to ride these places.

I've heard people say that some time in the last century people actually rode bicycles off-road without the aid of a trail centre!
I know it sounds pretty crazy, but historians have recently even raised the controversial conjecture that these bicyclists may even have enjoyed themselves.
Poor idiots probably didn't know any better.

Hells bells, no mtbing near Inverness!

When I was a lad in the days before mtbs, I lived in Inverness. My wheels rarely touched tarmac. Buy an Ordnance Survey Map and look at all the trails. You're 15 mins on a bike from a ride no matter where you live in Inverness.

That was mid last century, and if anything it is even better now.

I used to ride along the old military roads down to the Corrieyairack on a dropbar bike.Those tracks are still there. Then there was the network of trails all over Craig Dunain and Craig Phadrig.

The Black Isle has plenty of tracks worth exploring - loads of historical stuff to be found too.

They've added the Great Glen Way and the South Loch Ness Way since then so you can do a loop right round Loch Ness.

Either you have a totally unsuitable bike for your local terrain, or you don't understand the access laws.

The problem with FC is they went building using a tourism model - fine for those with own transport and disposable income, but absolutely no benefit for health - if you have to drive to them, those who don't, won't and not get the health benefit (in rough layman's terms).

If the trail centres were built with some health and wellbeing thought, then you'd have a lot more nearer the built-up areas as well. Typically, the FC saw a pot of gold and poured several pots of gold into gaining that...they missed a huge market that would have been more self-sustaining than just a tourism model, but they didn't go for it.

Carron Valley was never modeled on tourism figures (as an example, mainly because I'm very familiar with it) - it was always modeled on the health/wellbeing angle and the fact (in comparison to the existing trail centres) it was practically on the doorstep for so many - it failed due to other political reasons but the reasons for doing it were all sound and stacked up.

There are places that offer trail centres in built-up areas - Calander Estates in Falkirk have built a network (and it is expanding) of trails that are very easily accessible by those living in the Falkirk and surrounding area - not amazingly technical but there is a very nice network of trails that will encourage many folk to cycle - no FC involvement in that. Cathkin Braes is another example - I don't think that was FC either (although I could be well and truly wrong with that!).

If the trail centre can be built without a sole focus on the tourism angle then it is likely to be developed nearer the populous...but unless someone is going to develop something and present it to those in control, it won't happen. FC hold a lot of sway so anything that could impact 'their' efforts needs to stack up very strongly indeed.

You don't need a trail centre to cycle locally - trail centres are great if you don't want to think about where you are going/weather/route, etc. you just get on your bike and follow the arrows...away from that sort of stuff then there is plenty to ride in your locality...you just need a sense of exploration to first of all find it, then second of all, link it all up - all part of the fun.

I love trail centres. They keep the roving masses , their disguarded tubes and gel wrappers off the good trails.