[Closed] edale > hayfield > jacobs ladder route help

The classic route is the: Classic Hayfield Loop. (See this month's MBUK and other sources)

Unfortunately, time of year that sweet, sweet section of whooping joy moorland singletrack that comprises the middle section of it will be as boggy as gubbins.

You can try climbing up the big hill with the antennae at the top and descending a little technical (slippery) bit near the top (take a left), but that's quite a boring long climb on a rocky track for little else out.

Sorry, not much help, but you do get a free bump..! 🙂

hmmm so is it worth avoiding hayfield full stop then? i have no idea where the other bits you mentioned are to be honest....if its all likely to be a bit boggy around there then perhaps ill avoid it, im avoiding WLT for this reason and possibly cut gate....

thought adding hayfield in will make it a bit longer and something ive not done before either

Buy VGraphics excellent Peaks book. Its brill. Or if you ping pook off here a post or email he'll send you a route (hes got loads and we always refer to him for route help).

Half way down Oaken Clough bear right under Kinder Low, over Broad Clough and down to the reservoir, then either up the cobbles to the shooting cabin or up Snake Path, Middle Moor, Blackshaw Farm, Lantern Pike, up past the Quarry, New Allotments, Peep o Day Farm or Phoside and High Gate, then either back down to the bottom of Coldwell Clough and backover Jacobs, or over to South Head, Roych Clough and on to Rushup Edge.

Whats your e-mail and I'll sort out a more detailed description if you want? (mines in profile)

Carl

I'd do a loop up the 20 Trees Track and down over Middle Moor, then back via Monk's Road, dive down over Lantern Pike or the other way into Hayfield, do a loop up over Chinley Churn, drop down through Peep of Day, cross road, turn right, back over the Roych. It might get a bit sludgy in a typical Peak sort of way. Or man up, put some more miles in and come back over Cut Gate...

Half way down Oaken Clough bear right under Kinder Low, over Broad Clough and down to the reservoir,

And that'll be bog fest by now. You're better off dropping straight down and up over 20 Trees, that way you can also do the campsite descent, cross the bridge under the Sportsman - you should be able to clean it - left then right up the obvious bridleway.

Trails at the moment are fairly dry for this time of year, so go for it.

hora - pook is on his phone so cant help at the mo.....

cheers carlos ill email you.....

ive ridden edale jacobs loads just never joined in hayfield for some reason

this is the bit where i want to start to join hayfield from :

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=405330&y=386125&z=120&sv=405330,386125&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=605&ax=405330&ay=386125&lm=0

BDW you sound like you have good knowledge of what conditions things are in cheers for that!

where on earth is 20 trees on the map? 😆 having never rode around there ive no idea of these names, any furhter help appreciated 🙂

if anyone has a .gpx of just the bits in hayfield that BDW is on about then please help me 🙂 dont have to plot it all just those bits hes mentioned and i can tag it on to the ride no problem

Trails at the moment are fairly dry for this time of year, so go for it.

I'd be amazed if that section under Kinderlow End is remotely dry, it's mostly on soft peat and tears up really badly. It's also not much fun to ride unless it's running very dry and firm.

TwentyTrees is here

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=404210&Y=387335&A=Y&Z=120

There are 19 as one came down in a storm I htink

Go down this track

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=404865&Y=386625&A=Y&Z=120

Cross the bridge at the bottom, push up to the Sportsmans Arms, turn left and look out for the signs on the right

then as per BWD

cheers nbt - im looking to join into hayfield from coldwell clough, so do you mean to ride up those two bits you linked and ride back down them again? the loop will be defo starting in edale not in hayfield if that matters....

I think nbt means go down the second link, Camp site decent, once you've decended Coldwell Clough then up 20 trees (Snake Path), and left onto Middle Moor at the Shooting Cabin.

BWD/NBT the chinley churn loop would that but up the BOAT (i think) from birch vale, loop round the southern end (throstle bank) and down POD? Only been up the steep tarmac climb by the pub, ollerset? and phoside/far phoside.

Phoside to highgate any good?

Oh and how rideable it 20trees not tried it, normally do the silly steep cobbles at the res.

From Phoside Farm to the main road is a fast track, bit of tarmac, stoney and loose in places. But its the bit from Foxholes Clough down thats fun.

20 trees rideable all the way every time from the 2nd gate.

Only rode the cobbles once to the top just so I could say I have, always go via 20 trees now.

carlos just emailed you buddy

Have a look at this

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/11537800

It starts over in Marple, but shows many of the trails you would use, you should be able to combine that with a map to see how to add them to your loop

I htink yhou can even download it as GPX

edit - for instance, at about the 17 mile mark you would follow the pennine bridleway down to mile 6. Also, at mile 8 you could go up New Allotments rather than going all the way round the end of Chinley Churn

Bwd you forgot to factor in a poetry writing stop for your awesome blog

cheers nbt for the links!

You seem to be asking all the time so this
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Seriously, learn to read a map

jeez podge, im just asking for tips and a bit of a loop that wont be a complete bog, nothing to do with exploring, i want to avoid the awful bits for the sake of the ground and my pal whos not massively fit nor a great rider...ive not ridden there before so i dont know whats likely to be a bog etc...sorry if it offends you...

Bwd you forgot to factor in a poetry writing stop for your [s]awesome[/s] dull, derivative and repetitive, self-absorbed blog

FTFY

you do a blog? quite interested to look at this with you being a peak'er

Have you got an e-mail address? I can mail you a GPX of the loop I was blathering on about earlier if that helps?

BWD cheers that would be pretty much amazing, especially if you know outright what will be the best additional loop to it due to weather 🙂

check my profile now many thanks!

I'll drop you a line with a GPX file.

cheers squire! really is appreciated! ive not done anything in hayfield ever before unbelievably considering i always around white/dark peak...heard its pretty darned good too hence this seeing a perfect ride to tie it into, shame its not bone dry though 🙁 anyways thanks a million for this!

No worries.

well BWD has sorted me right out, its clear as crystal and i havent even ridden it yet! many thanks bud! topman!

I know this might cause a debate, but the whole Jacobs Ladder effort is best ridden clockwise. I ride a hardtail - anticlockwise means shallower downhills, and what with all the rocks, it's a bit harder to keep momentum. Plus Jacobs Ladder is impossible as a climb. If anyone can ride it, then I think they should face trial by water for being a witch!

Seriously though, this is what I'd recommend. Start at Edale and climb to Hollins Cross. Contour around Mam Tor then onto Rushup Edge. Down into Roych Clough and back up Mt Famine. Then Coldwell Clough into Hayfield. If you think you're in the zone, you can go through to the Sett Valley trail and climb Lantern Pike and then a quarry road for a drop into Rowarth. Then out and across Middle Moor to the Shooting Cabin. If you're feeling merely human, climb Snake Path from Hayfield to the cabin. Drop to the reservoir, back up to Kinderlow End then down into Oaken Clough. One horrible drag to the top the Ladder - take five and then give it some welly. Cruise back to Edale for tea and medals. Lovely.

Whatever you do, think of all the people who cannot ride this stuff that often while you are doing it. Either in sympathy or smugness.

Can confirm Kinder Low End is a boggy mess, Rode it last week and ended facedown in a bog. AVOID!

BWD or Oscillate, any chance I can get a copy of that gpx? I'm new to the peaks and am trying to get my head around the decent routes... email is guando21 AT gmail DOT com thanks in advance

If anyone/op is free me and pook are riding from Ladybower tomorrow am 730am early start though as family duties beckon. Next to Hearthdene (sp?) Carpark.

07957 6five6 1fivesix (no signal within 20mins of area)

thanks hora- pook just emailed me bud, i cant do tomorrow though it sounds like it would have been perfect as i like to start that early too! have a good un! let me know how its riding up there too please! hope its not to bogged down!

Plenty of rocky/fast draining gritstone etc round this part. See you next time and have a good weekend 🙂

hora prepare for porn spam on your phone now 🙂

Dannyh I rode the kinder circuit today and agree clockwise.roych clough? Is really shagged from 4x4s 🙁 I OP the vgraphics peaks books are amazing as an introduction to the area.

roych clough? Is really shagged from 4x4s

Roych Clough forms part of one of the longest unbroken sections of BOAT (or whatever they call it now) in the UK so it gets loads of people using it. I believe there's an "advisory" one way route on it now. It goes from Chapel Gate up to Rushup Edge, down that, turn right and down into Roych Clough to the stream, up the other side and over Mount Famine. They run it that way cos too many idiots were chewing up Roych Clough trying to go up the rock steps and failing miserably.
That's why Chapel Gate has been sanitised - it's now almost a smooth gravel track, it's had LOADS of work done on it.

Oh and anti-clockwise FTW. Better climbs and descents in general and more trail options although you do have to push up Jacobs Ladder. In some respects the Hayfield Loop is massively over-rated and over-ridden. It's just that it's the default Peaks route that most mags stick to which is great cos it keep everyone off the better trails!

Sort of related to this thread:
BBC4 at 9pm tonight has a documentary about off-roading/green laning in the Peak District.

Glad I saw this thread, I have recently moved to Stockport from Cambridge and have pootled around the Marple area. Its nice to have some hills now 🙂 I'm going to pick up that peaks book and do some riding at the end of November when I have some time off work.

crazy-legs - I've set the timer to record that.

drop me a line and I'll give you details of the mailin g list for our local group

We don't even get a mention!

I'm around at weekends Weirdnumber, NBT is the local expert mind...

Cool, cheers guys. I work shifts so tend to ride during the week as I normally end up working weekends. Will definitely see if I can hook up with local groups though 🙂

Sort of related to this thread:
BBC4 at 9pm tonight has a documentary about off-roading/green laning in the Peak District.

I was really looking forward to this prog following last weeks but I fell asleep sometime after 8pm due to yesterdays ride. I'm still knackered now!

hora - were you wearing a orange puffer jacket yesterday? sure it was you in the layby in edale 😆

thought you went out saturday? or didnt you go with pook in the end?

we did the loop around edale through to hayfield (middle moor descent is quality to the steps which my mate bottled at the last minute almost going over the bars 😆 ) then back through climbing through to rushop edge and down back to edale via the singletrack at the gate at bottom of mamtor!

was a most excellent day - massive massive thanks to BWD for the hayfield loop and managing to keep us on a track that wasnt a mudfest - was pretty much a great route which didnt include any boggy messes! and also Carlos for the map of hayfield and words of wisdom too!

all in all a cracking ride, tough 30 miler but definitely worth the effort!

hora - were you wearing a orange puffer jacket yesterday? sure it was you in the layby in edale

Yep. What time was it- It'd been about 730am?? I was too tired to start the ride down the bottom. At the end of the ride- boy that climb back punished me 😆

I went out Fri (Hebden), Sat (Pook/Ladybower) and yesterday Kinder Circuit (I'm on a push to get fit again).

thought so - yeah around 7.30ish or there abouts! what is the kinder circuit? obviously around edale way....we climbed up from bottom of edale up mam tor, was pretty slippy but a good start to have the legs pumping!

we did chapel gate coming back down, it was alright until those huge grids/gulleys - jesus they are a bit lethal, the first few you can kinda bunny hop, then the next ones down the middle of it......

That jacket is my 'emergency' Mountain Equipment jacket that I picked up really cheap in a sale once. Everyone takes the piss out of its loudness though hence it only comes out when no one is around 😆