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And these heavier and faster e-bikes tearing up the tracks
I tried with mine just to see if the motor power actually made a difference. The answer was no it did not. Even at turbo which in mine is 150% boost and absolutely putting my all in so a fair amount of power the smooth delivery meant it seemed no more likely to break traction and an extra 15 lb in 200 is insignificant
It’s indecent on some level and undignified.
This is surely the most stupid thing anyone has ever typed on this forum ?
I mean come on, seriously 😂
I really don’t care what other people want to ride, but it’s annoying when e-bike fans say things like it’s “pretentious” to prefer the purity of a human powered bike. There are dozens of people in this thread saying why they like to ride e-bikes, so why can’t others explain why they prefer not to ride e-bikes?
I get it that some e-bikers are fit and ride for 5 hours plus every day, but I reckon that a large proportion are kidding themselves that e-biking is keeping them just as fit as a normal bike. Time will tell......
This is surely the most stupid thing anyone has ever typed on this forum ?
Let’s ask the OP.
Are you there? Or have you just pulled the pin and lobbed the lazy, easy, clickbaity argument hand grenade, watching the aftermath? Do you have any other comment other than the first post?
Vickypea - that was me in replay to what was a very pretentious post IMO
For sure its fine to say why you don't want one and to argue your point - but to post "I guess that’s the difference between some cyclist who value the purity of a purely human powered experience" to me is really pretentious - and you have to admit he has been pretty provocative
Even at turbo which in mine is 150% boost and absolutely putting my all in so a fair amount of power the smooth delivery meant it seemed no more likely to break traction and an extra 15 lb in 200 is insignificant
You can actually wheelspin them pretty easily by simply unweighting the rear wheel and pedalling in boost on a loose surface same as you can on a normal bike TJ. The novelty of the power helping wears off pretty quickly though and you revert to riding like you normally do again most of the time.
Try it at Glentress. I hear it's so slippy there these days a Fatbike is mandatory
I reckon that a large proportion are kidding themselves that e-biking is keeping them just as fit as a normal bike.
Everyone I know with an Ebike still rides their other bikes [b]as well as[/b] their Ebike...
It's just another way to ride.
I was doing an increasing number of uplift days before I got my Ebike.
Haven't done one since. What I have done though is more descending and more time on the bike instead of sitting in a van.
They're also great to get out on a ride you normally wouldn't do because you're to knackered from riding one of your other bikes.
tjagain- ok fair enough, I see your point. 😊
I do realise that I am biased against them but that’s because most of the people I’ve seen on e-MTBs have breezed past chatting while I’ve been killing myself on a steep climb yet they claim it’s keeping them as fit as a regular bike. If folks want to ride them that’s fine but don’t tell me that it’s keeping you just as fit because I don’t buy it - except for a minority who all seem to be in this thread 😆
That's the second time you've pulled up someone on this thread for saying something they clearly didn't Vicky.
What's your real issue here?
Nevermind. You've answered as I was posting this reply.
Vickypea, no one is saying there's anything wrong with not wanting an ebike.
The issue is when those people who don't want to ride an ebike start getting all lecturey and high horsey, looking down their noses.
Geex - of course you can - same as a normal bike. My point was they do not break traction significantly more than a non electric bike so the accusation of ripping up the trails is bollox
Vicky. your reply makes me sad.
Why do you care how others keep fit? Or even if they do at all?
An ebike certainly doesn't make you less fit than not cycling. And as I explained earlier, depending on how you use it can actually make you stronger than a non-Eeb
Geex now you’re accusing me of saying something I didn’t!
I don’t care how others keep fit, I never said that! What I did say was that I reckon that most people who use an Ebike except for a minority (a minority which evidently includes you) are kidding themselves if they insist that it’s keeping them just as fit. I’ve never seen anyone on an ebike going into the red with effort.
Geex, u ok hun? You seem desperate. For an argument.
That's a fair point Stu. I think I've done 2 UK uplifts since getting an Eeb back in March/April... and I have an uplift season pass.
Not really looking for an argue Tom but I'll take a hug from you if it's from behind again.
I just fail to understand Vicky's issue.
What does it matter how much effort folk put in? Plenty folk have a gym membership and never break sweat, go swimming and never get their hair wet etc. and the worlds now full of idiots who'll tell you exactly how many steps their phone says they've done today even though it's exactly the same mundane routine they've done for years. I just don't see why folk care if others put in as much effort as they do. Unless you're actually racing/competing It's daft. That Lance chap put more effort into his cycling than anyone and look where that got him 😉
I just don’t see why folk care if others put in as much effort as they do
Some people are rigorous and some are vigorous.
And as I explained earlier, depending on how you use it can actually make you stronger than a non-Eeb
That's a bit like saying that diet soft drinks can help you lose weight. Yeah they can if you don't drink the full sugar soda! There is nothing about the diet soda that makes you lose weight. Similarly an e-bike can help you get fitter, if you ride it harder than a non-e-bike, in other words nothing about the e-bike per se is advantageous for helping fitness.
That’s not true. If you know anything about proper training you’ll know that it’s important to have periodised training with different intensities at different times. That kind of training is possible solo on a road bike with a power meter but it’s very difficult to do on a MTB in hilly terrain - add in riding with a group and it’s impossible. With an Ebike you can vary the assistance to suit the intensity you should be working at for your training programme.
I realise this is a non-Ebike example but I’ve been riding simple 1x10 with 11-36 cassettes for years. Earlier this year I put 1x12 with a 10-50 cassette on one of my bikes. Have the easier gears made me work less hard, or have they allowed me to spin quicker but softer when my muscles are tired, allowing me to get my heart rate higher? And have I chosen to ride up steeper technical singletrack (which people normally only ride down) rather than taking the easier fire road because it’s now possible without complete failure. The answer is yes to both.
Beyond ironic..my phone just auto corrected ebike to rebuke...
As someone who is pretty ambivalent to the whole e bike vs purely human powered bike argument I do have an observation.
The e bike proponents are now actually much louder/shouty and vocal than the ones that dislike them.
There is a bit of an irony to that, as viewed from an outside the argument perspective.....
No Rydster. It's nothing like your stupid soft drink analogy at all. What I was talking about was upperbody/core strength gains from descending more during a ride of the same duration while controlling the extra weight of the Ebike.
Chief is of course correct though. If following a specific training program it is far far easier to go for an actual off-road emtb ride and stay in a particular training zone than it ever could be on any ordinary non-assisted mtb.
How ****ing fit do you have to be to ride a gravel bike along canal paths anyway FFS?
It's not really an argument anymore when you're replying to someone this stupid popscoop. More caring for the mentally challenged.
It’s not really an argument anymore when you’re replying to someone this stupid popscoop. More caring for the mentally challenged.
Geex, your just adding to the whole shouty side of the argument. Not to mention being overly condescending to someone that just happens to share a current view?
Would he still be stupid if his view aligned with yours?
The level of stupid we're dealing with here has nothing to do with our misalignment of views.
What about band assisted pull ups? Use an e bike until your fit and strong enough to ride properly without assistance??
Thread's officially gone full circle from folk who're too weak to jump an assisted bike despite never having ridden one to folk who have and are now too weak to ride a non assisted bike.
Eebs... The gift that just keep giving
Wonder how good next weeks anti Eeb thread will be.
Mmmm... Pork pies!
@ 0:15 "Sprectral on... only sort of thing you can tackel this terrain on"..... you rode all the way? bollocks did you.
@ 2:10 "this is mountain biking" said the main on a bike.... with a motor...
what i don't get is that these sort of rides are being sold as though they are only possible with an ebike.
i've reached the top of snowdon in 1:35 from Llanberis on my old DB Alpine. it's not exctly extreme and there hve been many folks that have gone before and many folks since.
that high alps ride, Italy to France... i've ridden my bike in that area with some friends from Liguria. it's not as if it is that hard.
i used to guide transalp from Bvaria to the Italian lakes through similar terrain. it's not the domain of ebikes.
This thread is cracker.
but that’s because most of the people I’ve seen on e-MTBs have breezed past chatting while I’ve been killing myself on a steep climb
surely if the bike is making you fit, you'd be cruising up that steep climb?
That’s not true. If you know anything about proper training you’ll know that it’s important to have periodised training with different intensities at different times
Which you absolutely don't need an e-bike for.
You're argument is analogous to weight training with a spotter doing half the work for you, as if this helps because training at your one rep max all the time isn't optimal! Just take half the weight off the bar instead!
I would concede that being able to keep up with your friends on a group ride is somewhat justifiable but also comes across as a thin and tenuous excuse. If you are using fast group rides for base training than maybe you are doing it wrong? And what happens when inevitably everyone is on an e-bike? Do you all take the batteries out?
How **** fit do you have to be to ride a gravel bike along canal paths anyway FFS?
That's a bit uncalled for don't you think? You don't know anything about my injury or illness history, and anyway 30 miles a day commuting won't make you slow! 🙂
The posters who become ''shouty' and attack others comments when writing about why they have a problem with e-bikes, are they spoof and all in jest?
People can't really be upset about someone riding an e-bike can they? What harm is it doing anyone else?
A bloke on a ebike almost, but didn’t quite overtake me on a technical climb last night but posted a better time on regular Strava, I’m now gong to spend the next 2 days ranting to my wife, work colleagues, children, dog and neighbours dog about how I feel cheated and emasculated. Damned these ebikes.
still awaiting evidence of geexs mad steeze.
ps I'm so close to buying an ebike....get a base model levo 2019 or wait for the vitus to come into stock.
with all the weight down low creating the stability for you, best to think of geometry a little differently? ie not as much length required to get to the same level of stability?
in other words nothing about the e-bike per se is advantageous for helping fitness.
I disagree. Form a personal perspective, I have never ridden more than I do now (with an ebike added to my options)
I never commuted by bike more than “not very often” because of various reasons, mostly that I tend to carry too much kit to work/ school drop off on the way/ lack of fitness/ lack of time, etc etc.
An e-cargo bike has changed that, I ride every day, carry my kit, drop off jnr on the way, and get 100+ extra miles a week. Having an ebike makes it faster/easier etc, and I’ve missed 2 days of commuting since July.
I am way fitter and lighter as a result, and enjoy normal riding even more than I did before, and as a result I do more of that too.
I am not saying it would be “impossible” for me to do my commute every day on a non ebike, but I’m 47 years old and I’ve never done it yet 👍
Like Neal, I’ve done loads more riding since getting mine, particularly in the Alps exploring mountains without ski lifts.
A few weeks ago I did around 4500ft of climbing and around 18miles in 2 hours. That wouldn’t have been possible on my Capra. I was nearly puking with the effort at some points it was so steep.
So yes, my ebike is definitely helping to make me fitter and stronger.
Oi!
You lot on your e-bikes stop having fun! Don't you know riding bikes is a serious matter. Masochistics only. Haven't you read the rule book! 😉
I hope you’re riding a single speed, fixed gear rigid with solid tyres then.
I am (well high PSI 25c tyres rather than solid) Also don't have brakes so 100% purity for me.
That means I must be in a valid position to judge ebike riders. Unfortunately I think they are fine and have no problems with them. In fact I want more of them as the 2 I have encountered turned out to be very good pace bikes.
That’s a bit uncalled for don’t you think?
If you try and pick faults with people you have to expect the same back.
still awaiting evidence of geexs mad steeze.
He's actually a pretty handy rider.
what i don’t get is that these sort of rides are being sold as though they are only possible with an ebike.
i’ve reached the top of snowdon in 1:35 from Llanberis on my old DB Alpine. it’s not exctly extreme and there hve been many folks that have gone before and many folks since.
that high alps ride, Italy to France… i’ve ridden my bike in that area with some friends from Liguria. it’s not as if it is that hard.
of course it's possible, but ebikes are being marketed for the fat and lazy, this much we know!
of course it’s possible, but ebikes are being marketed for the fat and lazy, this much we know!
Yeah but a battery makes you fitter using power of unicorn farts.
that’s a bit uncalled for don’t you think? You don’t know anything about my injury or illness
Oh, the irony....
still awaiting evidence of geexs mad steeze.
ps I’m so close to buying an ebike….get a base model levo 2019 or wait for the vitus to come into stock.
with all the weight down low creating the stability for you, best to think of geometry a little differently? ie not as much length required to get to the same level of stability?
Come riding with me dean (invite's open anytime). I don't think you'd be disappointed.
You're an endurbro, yeah? If so wait a few weeks for the 2019 E-Sommet. It has far better derp geometry than the Levo and is cheaper with way way higher spec (You won't need to change/upgrade a thing except maybe grips and tyres to suit), It's sub 65deg, -25mm BB and looong in the large n XL if that's your bag.It's also mad stabilz. 100% moar stabilz than any other bike I has. and that's including 2 DH bikes and another 170mm Enduro. It holds mad momnetum and boosts out of compressions, rollers, berms n ruts like nothing else and I mean when pumped/preloaded, not pedalled (before our resident ill canalpathcommuting fitness facist starts again)
Not entirely sure why you'd think geometry has to be re-thought though. I prefer shorter (reach, CS & WB) with all my bikes from riding DH, 4X, DJ bikes half my life and massively prefer pop, playfulness and maneuverability over stability, I'm 5'11" My Small E-Somm is longer in wheelbase/reach than any other bike I have (The others are mediums) and I still manage to ride it rearwheel happy and get the thing sideways a lot. No one who's ridden it that I haven't previously told it's a small has ever thought it was short. I'm definitely not about the mad stabilz, infact I like a bit of sketch to liven things up. All my non-Eebz and ride considerably shorter reach bikes than is currently fashionable for a middle aged man of my height. You'll probably "get" this from your BMX days. And I don't ever really ride any bike sat down like a pie. My saddles are all still angled nose up like a DJ bike's. They're toys and as such should be played with not thought of as ****ing sporting/fitness gear Urrgghhhh! #LipzIS4whipz n that.
Peace awt bruvva
Ps. Chill with the digs. it just comes across as snide.
I don't know if this was the catalyst but I'm pretty set on getting an e-bike as soon as funds allow. The Turbo Levo Comp alloy is looking the obvious choice as the geometry is pretty much a 29er version of my Spitfire which I really like and I'd rather have support from my LBS in case of issues, what with it being so much more complicated than my e-free bikes. Only concern is the Revelation not being burly enough at 150mm 29er length - I'd probably upgrade the damper to turn it into a Pike but there's part of me thinking a Lyrik or 36 would be better. Then again I don't have a problem with the 160mm 27.5 Pike on my Spitfire...
Only concern is the Revelation not being burly enough at 150mm 29er length
Then again I don’t have a problem with the 160mm 27.5 Pike on my Spitfire…
Sounds like you're doing the quite frankly ridiculous thing of believing an Ebike somehow needs a stiffer, more burly fork than the rider would ever need on a non E bike.
Think of the bike as the same as your spitfire but with a 17lb heavier downtube and BB shell. Or to put it another way You after a very indulgent festive period and your winter gear. You're seriously unlikely to be doing anything on it you didn't on your Pike.