I guess that’s a question for th Ochain users. How often do they turn it on/off?
In a two hour ride, I might typically change it twice.
Do you have to remove the cassette to toggle modes on the DT hub?
One of the nice things about the Ochain R is you can adjust tool-free in about 10 secs, you do have to take yr glove off though
I guess that’s a question for th Ochain users. How often do they turn it on/off?
Mine is the old style with no adjustment, I'm clipped in, so pedalling with constant tension to avoid the on/off feel is easier than with flats.
I’m sure a switch could be built into a hub shell if users wanted it to be, adds to the complexity of your hub somewhat, but entirely doable.
I suppose when SRAM inevitably buy O-chain out there will end up being an AXS version, slaved to your leccy dropper and built into your Quarq power meter ring…
I suppose when SRAM inevitably buy O-chain out there will end up being an AXS version, slaved to your leccy dropper and built into your Quarq power meter ring
The beauty of what DT have done is it's simplicity but I'm not going to bet against you being right on this. Though really I don't think any of these devices will gain mass appeal, it's all a bit niche really
Though really I don't think any of these devices will gain mass appeal, it's all a bit niche really
It's the incremental nature of these things, Full stockbroker spec machines in whatever sub-niche of cycling need to have ever increasing "features".
Someone will want a button that takes their bike from efficient climber to slammed seat, kickback eliminating config, it'll probably tweak your fork/shock damping and pressures and change your tyre pressures too if you want... All of these things all exist as products already, integration by someone (probably SRAM), for a not-inconsequential sum, will happen eventually.
The Nicheness matters less than it being "cool", expensive Halo products do help sell the lower tier versions with half the gimmicks awesome features...
This is something that's VERY much being discussed in my head at the moment.
I'm struggling to find a DT Swiss hub that's not an 'upgrade' version but a whole hub, we don't have and DT Swiss hubs to upgrade. The E-Thirteen Sidekick seems to be about £400 for a hub... but really i'd need at least 2..
Starting to see hubs bundled with the upgrade (and the tool), not seeing DF hubs though
Though really I don't think any of these devices will gain mass appeal, it's all a bit niche really
It's the incremental nature of these things, Full stockbroker spec machines in whatever sub-niche of cycling need to have ever increasing "features".
Someone will want a button that takes their bike from efficient climber to slammed seat, kickback eliminating config, it'll probably tweak your fork/shock damping and pressures and change your tyre pressures too if you want... All of these things all exist as products already, integration by someone (probably SRAM), for a not-inconsequential sum, will happen eventually.
The Nicheness matters less than it being "cool", expensive Halo products do help sell the lower tier versions with half the gimmicks awesome features...
Are we still talking about feedback mitigation? Because this sounds like general 'old man yells at sky' stuff.
Though really I don't think any of these devices will gain mass appeal, it's all a bit niche really
Saw a fair few on bikes this summer in Italy.... Certainly enough of them that I had to ask what is was for.
The O-Chain has been sold to Sram so it's off my list of preferential things to have. Not keen on the idea of elastomers inside the O-Chain, either. How long they going to last?
Not keen on the idea of elastomers inside the O-Chain, either. How long they going to last?
I've received my Rimpact and it comes with a spare set of elastomers (it uses steel springs and elastomers) so you're probably right if you think the elastomers are a bit of a consumable. Their inclusion suggests to me they aren't expected to last as long as a chain ring. I'm fine with this given the intended use, just a little extra maintenance.
The O-Chain has been sold to Sram so it's off my list of preferential things to have.
Has it? I was just speculating I've not started an untrue rumour have I?
Edit: Wow what a guess!
As I don't know what it feels like could someone tell me if my bike is likely to generate much pedal kick back? It's a Revel Rascal.
My hub is a 350 with the 36t/10deg thing, if that also makes a difference...
As I don't know what it feels like could someone tell me if my bike is likely to generate much pedal kick back? It's a Revel Rascal.
My hub is a 350 with the 36t/10deg thing, if that also makes a difference...
Go to a rocky descent and ride it a few times then take your chain off and do it again. See if you can feel what's missing.
There’s a very good interview with the engineer who designed O-chain available on the downtime mtb podcast
He argues it’s much better to have this type of system on the crank as it isolates the rest of the drivetrain. He also points out that a hub -based system will feel different for every sprocket. And it’ll feel ‘slackest’ in the big climbing sprocket, and be least effective in the smaller descending sprockets, which is kind of the opposite to what you want
He also mentions a 75hr service life for the elastomers
are those elastomers spares or different durometer(?) options?
Spares. Most of the work is done by the steel springs of which there is a lighter 'trail' option available but not supplied with the device. If you have one to test and are finding it unpleasant to pedal you may like to investigate this option with Rimpact
Just ordered one of these, well a new whole wheel and upgraded hub. It's a bit messy as you can't buy the hub in a 157 and HG, so you need an XD then a freehub in HG and then swap the bits over and upgrade to the DF system
