[Closed] Driving home from a ride.

Always ALWAYS have tea and cake once you've finished the ride, it sooths the senses.

That always gets me at Inners. You come hooning down Caddon Bank, chuck the bike on the roof of the car and you're driving before you've even got your breath back. Had to have a stern word with myself more than once.

Agreed. Bad combination of adrenalin, twisty B roads, a slow driver ahead (when isn't there one at some stage when you're on a twisty B road) and you have the perfect ingredients for a really nasty crash. I have had a few near misses (shouldn't that be near hits?) in these circumstances. I've also seen a few "aftermaths" on the roads around Peebles & Dumfries. Worth a watching. 😯

Please take the time to let the adrenaline subside before you start driving after you've been riding. There are a lot of crashes down here involving folk that have just been biking and they are all easily avoidable.

Yes sir, mister boss of the world. MYOFB

I can well imagine, on those roads, splendid ones around Innerliethen.

My fav from Innerleithen has to be the B709 to the A708 though.

MYOFB

it would be his business if some tool going too fast crashed into him.
He's made a fair point for once.

Why don't people who drive too fast mind their own business and not crash into the rest of us.

Why don't people who drive too fast mind their own business and not crash into the rest of us.

I do. It's the tool who drove into the back of me in standing traffic on the M5 that got my goat

Zokes - come back when you've grown a brain.

GW flipped his Bongo on the way back from Inners a few years ago...

straight flip or a 360 flipwhip?

I always unclip as if I was still in spuds.

straight flip or a 360 flipwhip?

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you grew up in an allotment?

i recognise that man.

Gary as in rides an iron horse SGS ? and does alot of dirt jumping ?

Smee - Member

Zokes - come back when you've grown a brain.

Just checked, it's still there.

My only beef was why you felt the need to tell the world what to do, as if you were a superior citizen. Personally, i'd rather come across someone on the road who is on adrenaline, and therefore much more switched-on to what they are doing, than a dosy pleb doing 30 in an NSL section with little idea they are actually in charge of a tonne of metal at all. Yes, I know that's not a crime, but it's just asking for an accident encouraging people to overtake recklessly. I find these are usually the same people who think speeding up whilst being overtaken is also a good idea. I have some basis for my argument - the signs all along the A9 suggesting that slow vehicles pull over to allow queues to pass, so I'm not the only one...

i recognise that man...

That's him. Can come across (on forums) as an arrogant and argumentative know it all, been there and done that mountain biking god - but (once you get to know him) is a good mate. Loves a few miles from me but haven't ridden with him for ages. He's said before that he know you.

i always have a hours worth of tea and cakes and mochachocalatte after a ride.....always..... 8)

Never had the "buzz" last longer than it takes to put the bike in the car. By that comment you'd expect to see carnage around go-kart tracks where people come out and would be still on a driving high.Even medically administered high-level doses of adrenalin have returned to normal within ~15 minutes? Claiming accidents are due to that is serious anecdotal extrapolation.

Zokes - when it comes to driving I am superior. Driving when full of adrenalin is stupid on a public road with frequent and obvious results.

I drove back from glentress along the A68, kept thinking I was still on spookywood. I was even trying to tailwhip the car by shuffling on my seat 😳

Always drive within your limits is the order of the day... ride mtb as fast as you like, chances are no one else will get hurt that way. And always remember to distinguish between the two.

Zokes - when it comes to driving I am superior.

😆 🙂

I've experienced that effect on occasion, which isn't normal for me as I'm naturally quite a conservative driver. Zokes, NOTHING excuses reckless overtaking. It doesn't matter if the person in front is doing 10mph (people on bikes frequently do this on derestricted roads, not sure if you've noticed). The only people encouraging accidents are those overtaking.

play some classical music on the car radio to soothe you rather than pumping rock music

Smee - your only fault is an excess of modesty?

TJ - there is nothing worse than false modesty.

I'd say that gastroenteritis or some such other illness is probably slightly worse than false modesty?

MrNutt - what the hell are you talking about?

Zokes, NOTHING excuses reckless overtaking. It doesn't matter if the person in front is doing 10mph (people on bikes frequently do this on derestricted roads, not sure if you've noticed). The only people encouraging accidents are those overtaking.

At which point did I mention that I was encouraged to recklessly overtake? One of the key rules in the highway code is to be courteous to other drivers. I know several people who failed their driving tests for driving 'too slowly' on an NSL stretch of road. Putting those two pieces of information together, most people would conclude that driving too slowly and not 'making progress' is not only demonstrating a sub-standard level of driving ability, but is also being extremely discourteous to other road users.

The key difference between bikes and slow drivers is that cars can, and should, be travelling at a speed suitable for the conditions. 30 mph on an open NSL road is not a suitable speed unless the weather dictates otherwise, and regardless of the rights or wrongs, the very reason those signs exist is to point out that others may take unnecessary risks in order to carry on their journeys impeded. I know they shouldn't, but by driving at such low speeds in your sanctimonious, self righteous (or more probably, daydreaming / nervous) little bubble, it encourages people to make rash decisions. As I said above, these slow drivers are usually the same people who then either try to race you whilst overtaking or sit there flashing their lights at you afterwards, whereas if they'd just driven at a sensible speed to start with, then there would never have been a problem. I'd rather met a mountainbiker who's focussed on adrenaline driving back from a trail than a granddad who has little concept of the fact he's even in a car, let alone driving it. Living in North Wales, most of the crashes I've seen seem to be caused by the latter, not the former. Obviously if Smee were ever to have an accident, I'd feel sorry for him, mostly because he'd never be able to face his own sanctimonious little face in the mirror in the morning...

He's made a fair point for once.

Zokes - Encouraged to recklessly overtake? WTF are you on? There are ways and means of safely overtaking people that are driving too slowly.

Answer me this question - why would you take a risk to overtake someone?

Come visit me and I'll give you a reality check on your driving and you'll see how crap your driving and attitude really is. Tell you what, I'll waive my fee too.

picture of flipped bongo

What is that man wearing? It looks like a one-piece, tiger-print-effect shell-suit?

Same goes for watching really energetic musicals and action movies. I've seen some horrendous crashes close to multiplex cinemas where cinema goers hyped on adrenaline and most probably sugar high on cheap snacks have stacked their cars badly. If you go and watch energetic cinema or take salsa classes, please, please, please take the time to allow the adrenaline to subside before you crash your car. There are a lot of crashes round here where drivers stumble from the wreckage still mumbling lines from the movies... "feeling lucky punk' and such like.

I don't say this lightly, I'm a driving expert and cover hundreds of miles a month in my milk float etc. blah.

Oh, and fwiw, I'm far more likely to be hyped and excited on the way to the trails and nicely chilled and mellow on the way home after a good ride.

Claiming accidents are due to that is serious anecdotal extrapolation

Alternatively he's a sanctimonious arsehole

I'd rather met a mountainbiker who's focussed on adrenaline driving back from a trail than a granddad who has little concept of the fact he's even in a car, let alone driving it. Living in North Wales, most of the crashes I've seen seem to be caused by the latter, not the former.

If it weren't for you comparing grandad with the people Smee is on about in his original post, I would actually be agreeing with you that he is a road safety hazard. However in this instance I totally agree with Smee - even the bit you quoted that he presumably edited out later in an uncharacteristic backing down exercise.

The thing is, being full of adrenalin only makes you think you're a better driver (much like alcohol).

Are people really 'full of adrenaline' after a good ride? Like I said above, I'm far more likely to be chilled and satisfied post ride. This is all a load of sanctimonious, anecdotal bollocks.

Smee - Member

Zokes - Encouraged to recklessly overtake? WTF are you on?

Like angrily pushing past a cyclist on a single track road?

ChrisM - the bit quoted was from someone else. You should know by now that I'd never back down, especially not on something that I'm an expert on.

You should know by now that I'd never back down, especially not on something that I'm an expert on.

Trolling you mean?

TJ - That wasn't reckless, it was well calculated and safe for me to do.

How about for the cyclist? You said you were angry. Are you sure the anger and adrenaline did not affect your judgement?

BWD - I train people to become driving instructors, provide advanced driver training and will hopefully soon be providing speed awareness courses.

TJ - You said that I was angry - not me. I probably said that i was mildly annoyed. I dont get adrenalined up when i'm driving.

The cyclist was a knob, they were safe - don't really care if they knew they were safe.

BWD - I train people to become driving instructors, provide advanced driver training and will hopefully soon be providing speed awareness courses.

Mostly though you just sit behind your keyboard spouting off and s****ing at your own perceived cleverness. If your speed awareness courses are conducted in the same patronising tone as your forum contributions, they're going to be about as effective as a chocolate brake pad. But don't let anything get in the way of your own inflated ego.

When I started this thread I was on msn talking to another stw regular and told them that even though it was a really good bit of advice that was being given it would lead to me getting flamed. Turns out I wasn't wrong - funny that....

Now where is that delete account button?.

Well, maybe I am doing something wrong but I am normally knackered after riding. I usually ride what people would probably describe as DH which definitely gets the adrenaline going but there's no doubt in my mind I am calmer driving home from a days riding than I am driving to it. In fact it probably takes me half an hour longer getting home, metal or no.

Smee - Member
TJ - You said that I was angry - not me. I probably said that i was mildly annoyed. .

smee
[b]*** beardy * cyclist
Dear beardy touring *,[/b]

You see that I am driving behind you giving you a fair gap, obviously wanting past, on a narrow singletrack road yet you ride straight past the first * passing place. I sound the horn on approach to the second one and you ride straight * past the second one. What the * do you think i'm gonna do at the third one numbnuts? You have no room for complaint you ignorant *.

Mild?

Zokes, there's a point between pinning it and driving at 30mph isn't there? You're just using a straw man argument (by pretending that we're advocating dawdling at 30 and not concentrating) to try and make a point. Yes, people driving slowly is a pain but so's people driving too fast.

If I ran about in a busy supermarket twice as fast as everyone else, came up behind them snarling aggressively trying to jostle them out of the way and making people move to let me through - I'd come across a right c*ck and I'd either be punched or chucked out, or both. And deservedly so. And to be honest, hardly anyone does that unless they're out on the mash. So why is does it happen all the time on the roads? It's out of order. By all means enjoy the country's good roads but leave the aggro at home, it's just not fair.

Not saying that that's you, Zokes, but it's my complaint with aggressive drivers.

Smee - my memory of that post was that you said you were angry and you sounded absolutely furious and full of adrenaline.

I certainly would never trust you driving given the attitudes you show on here.

I find I drive much faster on the way to a ride than on the way home; going there I'm excited about going riding, on the way back I've had my fix, I'm probably worn out and just want to chill out rather than go mad.

Even so, I've occasionally tried to pull up over a hump-backed bridge and wondered why I'm not clipped in to the car pedals properly...

When I started this thread I was on msn talking to another stw regular and told them that even though it was a really good bit of advice that was being given it would lead to me getting flamed. Turns out I wasn't wrong - funny that....

Now where is that delete account button?.

Please.

will hopefully soon be providing speed awareness courses.

Not quite sure I agree with others about driving faster on the way to a ride, but I did get my 3 points on the way to Afan (on a nice straight DC) 🙄 Thinking more about this, I do wonder if the issue when driving home isn't more to do with tiredness than being stoked by adrenalin - along with people relying on their reflexes to keep them "safe" when driving, and said reflexes not being up to the job when tired.

TJ - your memory is quite clearly shit then isn't it.

And the idea that you wouldn't trust my driving is a bit laughable too. I seem to remember you boasting about riding a motorbike at silly speeds - clever that innit....

Now where is that delete account button?.

Believe me, if we knew where it was, we'd tell you...

Smee - Member

TJ - your memory is quite clearly shit then isn't it.

smee
*** beardy * cyclist
Dear beardy touring *,

You see that I am driving behind you giving you a fair gap, obviously wanting past, on a narrow singletrack road yet you ride straight past the first * passing place. I sound the horn on approach to the second one and you ride straight * past the second one. What the * do you think i'm gonna do at the third one numbnuts? You have no room for complaint you ignorant *.

Sounds pretty angry to me. You are a sanctimonious hypocritical idiot with breathtaking arrogance

Or maybe I could have just been venting when I was out of the car....

Good coping strategy that .

I feel sorry for the elephant.

Reminds me why I dont like riding bikes on the road, they are quite clearly full off cocks in cars, would people behave the same way if they didn't feel safe in thier little bubbles. I very much doubt it !

would people behave the same way if they didn't feel safe in thier little bubbles. I very much doubt it !

Bubbles make no difference to how people behave, theres just as many (if not more, per 1000 operators) cocks on motorbikes and they have no bubble.

speed awareness courses.

Hmmm. Speed kills, apparently. Not paying attention (at whatever speed) kills far many more people, but the police aren't anywhere near as good at catching people guilty of that. Perhaps after my gf attends hers in a few weeks, i'll be able to confirm that. Given the patronising way the letter was written, I wouldn't be surprised if she was caught speeding driving home from it after three hours of sanctimonious plebs stating a very biased version of the bleeding obvious.

Still, to play my own sanctimonious chip, I wouldn't know - I don't speed in built up areas, on busy roads, or anywhere else likely to cause anyone any harm other than myself...

Zokes, never said that you were overtaking recklessly. Would you, if you encountered someone doing 30 in an NSL? Of course not, they might be an irritant, but their bad driving does not excuse more of the same.

My comment was triggered in part by watching a car overtake about 8 cyclists on the wrong side of the road up a twisty hill towards a blind brow. Had he made that manouver 30 seconds later, he would have had the choice between a head-on collision or sideswiping at least 2 cyclists.

Smee - Member
Or maybe I could have just been venting when I was out of the car....

Good coping strategy that .

Still not found it?

Now where is that delete account button?.

I drive dangerously all the time.

I try to drive safely all the time. Still make mistakes-I'm human.

Also mature enough to drive safely to & from a trail run. -What about other drivers/walkers and cyclists you could kill.

Hope the drive and passengers are ok (I didn't read all the stuff so hope they are not dead).

I save my adrenanlin for the ride. 😈

Back to the OP, I actually want to say thanks as I now think maybe I have driven faster on the way back from a ride. It's worth thinking about at least.

I want to ride another day thanks!!

Going back to the OP, it seems a well placed request / reminder.

Shame a reasonable request has descended into a slagging match.

Going back to the OP, it seems a well placed request / reminder.

+1.

Going back to the OP, it seems a well placed request / reminder.

Because the OP is psychic and knows the cause of accident...

and maybe some of us are over sensitive about our driving....

and maybe some of us are over sensitive about our driving....

And maybe some of us have a god complex (smee?) and need to let everyone know that they are perfect?

Going back to the op - it might have been easier to stomach "advice" had it not come from a self proclaimed "driving expert" who not so long ago posted a thread in which he ranted vociferously about blowing his horn at a cyclist for not pulling out of his way at the first possible opportunity.

To be fair, I think that was overshadowed by claiming that no accident was unavoidable. Then being driven into about a week later 🙂