[Closed] Dog Bite!

call the cops.

It could be some kids face next time.

Oh the irony (but I think you realise it already) of you riding where you shouldn't cos you don't expect to see anyone and her walking her savage dog where she doesn't expect to see anyone!
[i]so i guess i just put it down to one of those things in life[/i]
not many other options available...

Daft owner shouldn't have a dog she can't manage. The fact that 3 were running free and the 4th was on a lead rather points to the fact that there's a control issue, and that the dog should be muzzled.

Should be reported and as a minimum the dog should be muzzled.

Dogs off of lead are fine as long as the owner has control. Not all off lead dogs can be tared with the same brush.

Coming from a responsible dog owner I would report it.

However, I feel naff all good will come from it - as you have said you were, in part, in the wrong.

i thought about that after, but i had nothing to write any details down, nor do i know where she is from etc, so i cant see how i could have got anywhere with it?

i made the point that i coudl have been walking with child etc but she wouldnt get past the point that i shouldnt have been up there on a bike....totally avoiding the point that she has no control over a vicious dog...

the more i thought about it the more i wish i had done something, i mean the fact that out of the 4 dogs, she had this one on a lead when the other 3 were roaming freely?!?!?! kinda tells me something in hindsight 🙁

by the sounds of it you've both learnt a lesson 🙂

oh and good rant by the way, i especially like the massive paragraph

call the cops.

It could be some kids face next time.

yeah i mentioned a muzzle but she claimed he hadnt done anything like this before (which again is strange with it being the only one on the lead)....

i wasnt bothered by the fact she was having a pop at me for being up there, ive had it before when ive gone mega early morning by a grumpy old man, i just argued and said if you feel that strongly about it, report it to the council and tell them to come and investigate it, it really wont stop me riding there......i am doing no body any harm, and i try to go when i think people wont be on it, and its probably once every 2 weeks at most!

nickf - Member

the dog should be muzzled

Not always the answer.

If you approach one of my dogs in a manner that they feel threatened then they will react.

Simples.

This does not mean that they should be muzzled.

I take it you are not a dog owner.

Alsations (sic) are a breed that are know to protect their owners. Perhaps it felt threatened by you?

Absolutely should be reported. As someone has said you could have been walking with a child or anyone else for that matter and they may have been injured. Dog needs a muzzle at the very least!

philconsequence - Member

by the sounds of it you've both learnt a lesson

oh and good rant by the way, i especially like the massive paragraph

inglish wuz nevor mi stong pount! 😆

so the consensus is i should have reported it, and now i wish i had, its hard though when you have no means of taking any info, and given the fact i highly doubt she owuld have given me correct information, for fearing her scrotum like dog could be put down 😈

Argh ......

Now you are presuming that the dog on the lad is telling you something about the state of he others 🙄

Mark it up to a bad experience, report it but move on.

Alsations (sic) are a breed that are know to protect their owners. Perhaps it felt threatened by you?

and this gives the dog the right to bite him?

As above you should have called the police.

A dog that will do that is a risk to children, elderly etc and the owner is clearly incapable of controlling it.

on my leg
's not right
suppose to beg
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letmetalktomark - Member

nickf - Member

the dog should be muzzled

Not always the answer.

If you approach one of my dogs in a manner that they feel threatened then they will react.

Simples.

This does not mean that they should be muzzled.

I take it you are not a dog owner.

Alsations (sic) are a breed that are know to protect their owners. Perhaps it felt threatened by you?

i dont doubt this, and let me get this straight i would NOT have had the dog put down if it had come to this - my point is with the owner having no control...

she had this dog on a lead, it overpowered her by some margain (there was about 2 metre gap between us as we crossed) thats where my point lies, she shouldnt be allowed to own a dog that size if she cant control it on a lead, let alone anything else...its so irresponsible to just see the good in dogs, they do go wrong, a simple scare and they can flip....obviously a muzzle for this said dog would be ideal to say the least...

again to re-itterate my point, she must have concerns, it was the only one of four to be on a lead! tells you something!

anyways, how unlucky, 3 dogs off the lead (2 alsations, 1 collie type) and i get bit by the bloody one with a lead on 😆 😆 you couldnt write it really could you haha!

neil853 - Member

Alsations (sic) are a breed that are know to protect their owners. Perhaps it felt threatened by you?

and this gives the dog the right to bite him?

No.

letmetalktomark - Member

Argh ......

Now you are presuming that the dog on the lad is telling you something about the state of he others

Mark it up to a bad experience, report it but move on.

errrmm not really no, i think its pretty self explanitory is'nt it?!?! she had 4 dogs, 3 off the lead and 1 on the lead...the one on the lead bit me?!?!?! surely she must have had experiences of his beviour before if she chose to keep him on the lead out of the 4?!?!?!?

logic suggest so im eyes

Shoulda just jumped off and ****** it up.

Not always the answer.

If you approach one of my dogs in a manner that they feel threatened then they will react.

Simples.

This does not mean that they should be muzzled.

I take it you are not a dog owner.

Alsations (sic) are a breed that are know to protect their owners. Perhaps it felt threatened by you?

You take it wrong - I have two trailhounds (think of a faster foxhound and that's a good approximation), neither of whom are on the lead other than near roads.

I stand by the comment that a dog which cannot be controlled by its owner and stands the chance of biting someone (whether or not this is to protect the owner) should be muzzled.

As a responsible dog owner, I cannot put a member of the public in danger. The onus is on me, not on some poor sod who may not know how to approach a dog, or understand that it might bite.

I would report it to the Police. Who is to say that the dog hasnt attacked before and hence why she put it on the lead to try and prevent it happening again. If people dont report it the Police can never do anything.

Perhaps your bike lights spooked the dog?

nickf - a bit harsh on me there with the 'not on some poor sod who may not know how to approach a dog, or understand that it might bite'

i have a dog, i know they get scared easily, hence why i waited for them to cross, i didnt go near the dog in the slightest, i was WELL clear of it, the dog went towards me, not me being naieve trying to stroke it or the likes!

Oscillate - I wasn't referring to you, actually. The very fact that you [i]do[/i] have a dog (and thus know that some breeds are exceptionally protective) and [i]still[/i] got bitten means that someone else with no experience may have come off even worse had they, as you suggest, tried to stroke it. Hence my view that a muzzle's pretty much a necessity in this particular dog's case.

It might pay you to go back out at the same time again as you may find she walks her dogs in the same spot.

I've just tried to read your post and now I look like this.

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Why did you not bite her leg and see how she liked it?

I am, and the dog should be muzzled and particularly if it has a nervous disposition. The fact that the OP happened to be riding a bicycle regardless of the status of the path is irrelevant.

Jackass123456789 - Member

It might pay you to go back out at the same time again as you may find she walks her dogs in the same spot.

stalk her you mean?

Quality - lol

Last time a dog bit me (and tasted blood), it got kicked so hard in the head, it got knocked out. Hopefully it will remember the head ache it experienced next time it thinks about biting someone.

Owner wasn't too happy, but then again, it should have been on a lead if it was that dangerous.

I actually like well behaved/well trained dogs.

The fact you were on a footpath has nothing whatsoever to do with her dog biting you, FFS. (Rise of the pedants).
Report it to the Police. As has been said, what if a couple of kids had ventured up there. One crime doesnt lessen the seriousness of another.
Stupid mutt should be put down. And her dog.

Next time you go up there riding, take 4 of your buddies with you, hold three of them back with dog leads, then get the forth to jump on her and bite her leg!

😉

report it, the technicalities of you being there aren't relevant to that point (it's a public place, you could have been walking) the dog attacked you, owner could not stop it. I guess "on a lead*" does not always mean "under control"

*short lead, not one of those stupid, cause more trouble than they prevent, extendable jobs.

One [s]crime[/s] civil wrong doesnt lessen the seriousness of [s]another[/s] a crime

You were bitten by a dog that was out of control. Regardless of it being on a lead, it bit you, therefore it was out of control. It has nothing to do with you being in posession of a bicycle. Report it. You owe it to yourself and the next person it bites - who may not be so lucky.

Take a pen next time, or use the voice memo your phone probably has on it, along with the camera it might have.

Personally I'd report her to the police for being in possession of a dangerous dog, the whole 'my dog doesn't bite/isn't normally like this/other owner based bull poo' doesnt wash with me.

You're right, it could well be a child or someone more infirm than yourself next time, saying that you shouldn't be there is a pointless exercise as under no circumstances should a dog in public, that's kept as a pet ever bite someone.

I doubt very much it'd be hard to find her as she obviously walks that route regularly.

What antibiotics are you on? IIRC there's pretty much only one type that you can't drink on - the rest is all just nonsense.

cheers for the responses guys - pretty much my thinking the majority of you...

YES i shouldnt have been up there riding - but it doesnt make it right that the dog bit me.. ie, its not like for like is it!

at the time i sort of took that stance, i shouldnt have been up there, so its partly my fault...but with hindsight, its not the case, as i said could have easily been walking my dog, and i think that would have been worse given 4 dogs on one mutt and a bloke!

the fact she kept calling me 'mate' after every sentence kept winding me up too 😆

YEAHHH IM YOUR BEST MATE, THANKS FOR LETTING YOUR DOG RIP MY LEG TO SHREDS 🙁

as for anti biotics, they are pretty much the only ones you cant drink on - doxycycline & metronidazole!

pretty much the worse combo for drinking apparently 🙁

Yep - thems the ones! Gutted!

is there any point in reporting it now though? i dont have a name of the person (or the dogs 😆 ), only the place of course? cant really see that thats going to be much use to anyone though

Could be a kid next time, should be put down.

It could be some kids face next time.

Not could be; it [i]will[/i] be a small child's face next time. 😥

And it will be the OP's fault for not reporting it.

Which is pretty much accessory to murder, as the Law stands.

I saw a muzzled Pomerainan the other day. I had to laugh. I asked the owner if it was a dangerous dog, and she said 'actually he's too bitey'. Tiny little thing you could've put it in a pocket.

But it could quite easily kill and eat a small child. You just can't be too careful. It's good to see such a responsible dog owner.

An evil, vicious killer:
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So 7pm, dark on a footpath where a walker was killed previously, a walker with her 3 dogs (probably startled and scared) goes into defence mode and bites and you don't think its your fault?

You shouldn't even have been there FFS.

No sympathy.

There's a guy on another thread who might kick the dogs and the owners head in for you if you ask nicely..........

I own a dog. You should phone the police and report it. A dog that bites is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

so not read the post properly then hora?

metronidazole, yep I had them once the pharmacist handed me the bag and said no drinking I nodded, she kept hold of the bag and said "Absolutley no drinking, at all, not even one, you will DIE!" I practically had to sign a release form to be let out of the shop.

hora - Member

So 7pm, dark on a footpath where a walker was killed previously, a walker with her 3 dogs (probably startled and scared) goes into defence mode and bites and you don't think its your fault?

You shouldn't even have been there FFS.

No sympathy.

😆 cock 😆

defence mode??? what for me being there?!?!?!?! as opposed to she should have the whole woods to her self with no body else in sight? cant you see the point that if i was there without a bike the outcome probably would have been the same?!!?!

i ride up there and expect to get grief for riding, i dont however expect to get bitten by a dog....

what the hell has being scared got to do with it? if shes scared of the dark, the last place she would want to be is up in those woods at night WITH NO LIGHTS ON!

I question your version. I'd like to hear the other parties story rather than cyclists out on a cheeky and nasty dog goes for me'.

was the walker killed by a cyclist??

I question your version. I'd like to hear the other parties story rather than cyclists out on a cheeky and nasty dog goes for me'.

You say you were waiting at the gate, so infact you were not riding your bike and in "theory" you could have been intending to push it along the remainder of the path to keep in terms of the law - I know your weren't intending too, but you were not riding at the time of the "attack"

Therefore, I would report it to the Police for all the reasons mentioned above, a woman with 4 dogs, especially a couple of Alsatians shouldn't be too hard to track down by a local beat officer, even if a quiet word is made and advice on dog control may only on the cards it may make this woman think differently how she excercises her dogs in public.

hora - Member

I question your version. I'd like to hear the other parties story rather than cyclists out on a cheeky and nasty dog goes for me'.

question it fair enough, but read the whole thing first....

if you bothered to read my poor rant, then you would read i was being courteous, i waited and waited for the women/dogs to come right down the bank/path towards the gate to let her and her dogs through to cause as little as startling as possible, she saw me plenty away away...she wasnt startled, she was already having a pop at me long before we even got close to each other.....the dog that bit me was on the leash, therefore startled or not, she should have controlled it surely?!

i understand your view on the riding situation, i agree, i shouldnt be there, but i am, and i will continue to do so until forcefully shoved off....does this mean i deserve to be bitten by a dog?!?!??!?!? does this mean that the dog wouldnt attack a walker that dared to cross its path on a dark night up there??!!?!? the bike becomes irrelevant the more i think about it!

freeridenick - Member

was the walker killed by a cyclist??

really not sure bud, im guessing it must have been if true as i cant see why else they would have banned cycles, its a cracking bit of fun, loads of singletrack (but not majorly narrow that you cant accomodate both cycles and walkers alike if you get me) lots and loads of off piste stuff (which i use)....i literally have to use the path the woman was walking on to get to the off piste, then after that you would not see another person walking where i ride for at least 3 miles, its totally like cannock off road piste!

but it could be urban myth for all i know, it was supposedly a few years back before i got back into it! googled it plenty before and never had a result....

was the walker killed by a cyclist??

*by funny I mean "not amusing at all"

and as for 'only my version of events'

well you will have to take my word....they are the truth, i have no financial gain out of lying, hell i didnt even tell the police nor take her number or dogs name etc so what on earth would i gain from doing so?!?!?!

the events are as told, i didnt go blaring towards her with 1800 lumens powering down on her and even if i did its a climb for about a mile so i wouldnt have been going at any speed...

the fact i waited at the gate suggests i did everything in my power to make this as easy as possible for her....

the moral of the story is to either a) dont go where you are suppose to not ride or b) get bitten by a dog for your troubles 😆

so it looks like ill be stocking up on antibiotics for the forseeable future...

anyways im glad other than hora that the general consensus was i didnt deserve to get bitten for riding off piste....that was all the point was really, and for people to put the thoughts across for not being able to control there bloody dogs!

is there any point in reporting it now though? i dont have a name of the person (or the dogs ), only the place of course? cant really see that thats going to be much use to anyone though

it's a crime, report it and get a crime number

then they can compare it with other reports of a woman with an alsation that bites people and take action

ignore the dog owners and associated trolls who tell you to put it down to experience/ it's your own fault

You should have got the dog in a headlock and then got the owner in a headlock.

That would have taught them.

One crime civil wrong doesnt lessen the seriousness of another a crime
FTFY takisawa

😀
bah.

And Elfin's dog is the funniest thing I've seen today. Dont know why but it reminds me of the woman from The Thompson Twins.

Dogs name is going to be Max. The woman was your mate so you dont need a name. 🙂

I reckon you should still call it in as this dog may have done this before or may do it again. The dog is dangerous and was not under proper control. Not sure how many people walk that number of dogs with one being an Alsation so should not be to hard to find.

I hope you mend quickly.

cheers for the kind words mark n. I hope karma has its place in her life sometime...

something that came flooding back to me yesterday was a classic parting comment by her 'we're both in the wrong here, so lets just leave it at that'....

me being the nice chap that i am 😉 (other than furiously swearing at her and her dog) pretty much agreed....

when things happen like that its only hindsight that makes you realise you should have reacted differently....again im really not sure she would have given me any details correctly nor contacting the police would have actually gained anything..it was regardless at the time as i had nothing on me to write any details down...

ill put it down to experience i guess, and hope that she decides to be a bit more careful (ie, a muzzle) in future, i have absolutly no problems seeing this woman/dog again as long as its controlled properly, if i see it again and its not then it will definitely be reported, as she clearly hasnt taken any responsibility to do a thing about the dog being out of control/or her not being in control......

i doubt ill see her again, ive never seen her in the 2 years ive been riding up there at night on the nights i go so perhaps she will lay low, or take them individually from now on...

anyways on the mend, 3 deep puncture wounds later, no swelling no red/soreness as suchm(worrying signs apparently), brusied and scabbed up....and ill be straight back out tonight with avengence 8)

Oscillate Wildly - Member

cheers for the kind words mark n. I hope karma has its place in her life sometime...
..ill put it down to experience i guess, and hope that she decides to be a bit more careful (ie, a muzzle) in future, i have absolutly no problems seeing this woman/dog again as long as its controlled properly, if i see it again and its not then it will definitely be reported, as she clearly hasnt taken any responsibility to do a thing about the dog being out of control/or her not being in control......

Oscillate Widly - I really think you need to report this as Karma doesn't come in to it. As many others have said on this thread, it COULD be a childs face next time and you COULD help prevent this from happening by reporting it. If you were out and saw the aftermath of an attack by this dog how would you feel? I love dogs and especially boisterous dogs but dogs not being controlled properly by their owners is just unacceptable.

Hope your leg heals quickly.

well ive taken your advice, there was enough of it, and reported it....details and as much info as i could give, given! just said its good to keep on record and although they cant obviously do anything, should it happen again etc etc

Our neighbours dogs attacked ours whilst my partner was walking past a few months ago. They also knocked my little lad over and tipped the pram with my 4 month old daughter in. The dogs are all staffordshire / bulldog types and ours is a cocker who generally will run through the woods to avoid other dogs on the path. Anyhoo we called the police who weren't interested as this sort of thing is dealt with by the dog warden / council now. Don't know if they visited, kinda hoping they didn't as the family are in and out of prison for some quite serious stuff and I like my windows in one piece...

Difficult situation. My first reaction was that you should have belted the crap out of the one that bit you, which admittedly is easy to say when not out on a dark trail !!!! Then common sense took over and I realised there was a very good chance that had you done that you would have been facing 'the pack', and that would have included the owner.

My view is that as the owner was obviously not strong enough to hold/control the dog properly, she should have had it muzzled (she really shouldn't have been out with it at all) and you should report it. I usually ignore the reactionary 'could have been a childs face' but in this case it is probably justified.

feeling better about it now ive reported it, at least its on record should it happen again or if it ties up with another instance....though the police woman said as above, its the dog warden of the areas job to deal with the fact she has no control of it....obviously if it had sabotaged me etc then she would be in trouble, but as i have no contact details there is not much the police can do other than suggest the warden 'catches' her up there in act walking dogs unattended and having very little control....which to be honest is never going to happen given where it is...

still i guess ive done what everyone suggests so hopefully it wont happen again, and hopefully they should not need to contact me for a similar instance with the same dog!

I am pleased you have reported it - lets hope the dog warden finds her and advises that they and the police are aware of her and her dogs.

The fact you were somewhere you shouldn't have been is irrelevant. The dog still bit you and could have as easily just bit another walker anyway.

having read all of this thread very carefully I say have a couple beers on your antibiotics you'll get really p...ed on very little drink and youv'e saved the £15 you spent on them,so alls even.And you wont die,unless your savaged by an alsation that is. 😉