[Closed] Dialled Bikes PA 29

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PS - it's actually a 30.9 seatpost!

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'proper' BB shell? What's an improper one?

That's a brilliant product photo. Love it. Well done.

WHAT'S THE CHAINSTAY LENGTH?

Ace, Ti version?

Geo?

WHAT'S THE CHAINSTAY LENGTH?

pffffftttttt, everyone know knows 29er handling is defined by ratio of headtube length to BB width.

Yep it's a 30.9 seat post. My eyes need re-calibrated.

Normal BB shell = one where you are not forced to use a plastic one that fails in Scotland prematurely. This lets you select your own system. We like this.

Chainstays, no idea. Useless measurement taken on its own so best let Mike publish the geo tables in due course.

WHATS THE CHAINSTAY LENGTH

It's based on a 100mm fork with 71/74 angles and 445mm stays. 120mm will work fine too and slacken things off a little.

It will also take 30.9mm dropper posts.

was hoping for shorter stays 🙁

This is just a prototype. I'm massively behind schedule on all things Dialled at the moment as I've been focussing on getting Factory Team Bikes up and running.

Stays are 445mm, Brant.

rOcKeTdOg - Member
was hoping for shorter stays

How much shorter?

I'm so glad it isn't a crappy press fit BB. They're terrible

Agreed zerocool. Regardless of what manufacturers seem to think and say, they just do not last long enough.

Id love to see EBB sized BBs on more frames to make SSing a vertical drop out frame easier. Also wouldnt the increased surface area of the shell improve the stiffness of the BB area or even allow for flared tubes?

The thing is, it's not like anyone is making bendy bikes with normal style shells.

Sure, the manufacturers keep making out that there is tons more stiffness but is it really noticeable in every day use? Hard to say when there is 'control' sample to test against.

And this stiffness seems to come at the expense of practical everyday function like BB's that last more than 3 months. No use having a stiff bike if the BB doesn't go round.

true - noddliness isnt everywhere.
How much to EBB adaptors cost anyway?

EBBs are A Good Thing.

Dialled know how to make them too, my Love/Hate works well.

Press fit BBs, not for me thanks.

Had them on BMX bikes for decades and they were a pain in the ass. What's wrong with the current threaded external BB systems?

Any plans for a love/hate 29er?

Still the nicest dropouts in the bizzniss.

Still the nicest dropouts in the bizzniss

I guess it's a marmite thing... personally the only reason I wouldn't buy a PA is the dropouts are so fugly...

I don't need another hardtail, however..

going to add, that when i heard it was going to be brown and a raw one i really wanted raw. However, the brown is realll nice.

I like the dropouts, but beyond the looks (I appreciate other dropouts might look prettier), they actually have a practical purpose. They do away with needed to weld disc mounts to the seat stay and the reinforcing brace between the SS and CS on the brake side (which I don't like the look of). Never had a CS or a SS crack/break due to breaking forces (which I've seen happen on other frames), so the fugly dropouts seem to be doing their job.

I really like the drop outs, maybe it's cause I don't like marmite.
TheBikeChain you should stick to the raw finish.

I was in TBC today picking something up and that brown finish is lovely.

AntM was in at closing time and we have renamed it Cortina Brown.

Alpine 29er please

the fugly dropouts seem to be doing their job

Fair enough Mike - function over fashion is the way it should be.

While we are asking questions I have another: is there a functional reason why the seat stays join the seat tube above the top tube junction rather than in line with it? Or is it just a visual thing? Seems like quite a few bikes seem to have that style these days.

increased standover whilst still keeping a nice big (and stiff) rear triangle, I thought.

I wouldn't have thought it would make a noticeable difference to rear end stiffness would it?

I don't need another hardtail, however..

Same here...

Glad post is 30.9 - the 31.6 on my current HT is a little harsh after a few hours.

is there a functional reason why the seat stays join the seat tube above the top tube junction rather than in line with it? Or is it just a visual thing? Seems like quite a few bikes seem to have that style these days.

Its something I've never been keen on. I'm sure it is strong enough, but it doesn't look right from a load-distribution point of view.

increased standover whilst still keeping a nice big (and stiff) rear triangle,

How small is that whiteboard?!

Oh, 29er...

I think the seat stays higher than top tube concept originated in Canada and were dubbed "Bomber style stays".

On my frames they're only about 19mm higher, but I've seem them higher on other frames. Only real functional/practical advantage is that the welds aren't as close together as they would be if the TT and SS were at the same level. Nothing to do with how the frame rides or handles.

Mike, will you be offering an EBB on a 29er?

Will have to see how things go. If the PA29 does alright, I might expand the 29er range.

You not making the Ti PA 26" then that the bike chain had proto's of?

Nah - far too much money to put into production at the scale the factories want.

Nice project though.

Do you have any pics with a bike built up, and when will you be taking orders?

Lovely.

Can we have a 650B Alpine also please Mike?

Rik, The Bike Chain prototypes were titanium Alpines, and no, production isn't going ahead. Not enough interest.

What's wrong with a 26" Alpine, Adrian?

Rewski, will probably start taking orders on PA29 in Jan.

Good question; I'm 6'2" and the biggest Alpine is a bit small for my liking... I'm running a Love/Hate at the minute with 100mm stem and a setback post.... wouldn't want any less reach even for the different riding style of an Alpine. Figure a 650b "hardcore hard tail" would be spot on for folks my size.

Mike, thanks, sent you a mail via info@dialled.

Now if you can make a version with a 142x12 flavour rear end.....

Any news on when/if the PA29 is arriving?

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So how will it stand up against the solaris or the skookum?

And do they do it in anything else other that Austin Allegro Metallic brown?

So how will it stand up against the solaris or the skookum?

Dno but I do know I prefer the ride of my Love/Hate, which I've kept, to my Mk2 Soul, which I didn't. (I think I'll get excommunicated from cotictrackworld.com now).

And do they do it in anything else other that Austin Allegro Metallic brown?

Quite liking the clear coat myself.

still no news?

Picked this thread up off a google search. Love the colours on dialled website (raw (still going ahead after the Alpine colour debacle?) and metallic coffee) but not overly sure about the 71/74 angles.

Even with a 120mm fork it'll end up being about 70/73, which whilst isn't super steep, I'd like to see a touch slacker at the front.

After having a look at some of the Gnarfriendly 29er HTs, it seems 68/73 angles with 17.1 chainstays seem to be about average.

no point guessing mate