So....
Whilst trying to work out which Full Susser to get, I have a more pressing short term problem, I am after a crosser for my commute to work, a mixture of singletrack, lots of old train line, road and a small amount of mud.
I am looking at this [url= http://www.pedalscyclecentre.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b0s23p1802 ]Croix de Fer 2010[/url] at the moment because of the discount, although the day 01 Alfine is intriguing. They are getting a Scott CX Comp in at the end of the month, but I am not sure I can wait that long.
Any other suggestions at around or less than the £1000 mark.
Dom
Uncle John, Kaffenback, Crosscheck, Roadrat.
Have you not thought about a 29er, that way you could have flat bars and put big or small tyres on. e.g. Karate Monkey or Singular Swift, or Inbred? What are they like for racks though?
Haven't thought about 29er really no. I knida liked the idea of drop bars as I think it would be a better position to be in for the faster gravel tracks and road. I do actually find them quite comfy for long distance type stuff.
Just having a look through your suggestions on line now.
Cotic X coming soon.
Having only done an internet peruse, I have to say the complete de fer still is the sexiest of the lot.
I have no idea how the spec compares though in all honesty! Also I am not sure I can be bothered putting the time and effort in hunting around for decent deals for the parts so def going for complete bike.
been looking at getting a kinesis tripster for that sort of stuff but looks like the croix der fer seems to be the bike of choice
Kona Honky Inc come in near that price but is more road than CX but looks like will cope with more than tarmac
Kinesis 5T, though you'd need to build it up. Or one of Paul Milnes frames and do the same.
[url= http://www.cube.eu/road/x-race/x-race-comp/ ]Cube X-Race Comp 2011[/url] Come in at a pound under a grand.
kinesis 5T (medium size) for sale with upgraded wheels, £700, only used 7 times! in excellent condition.
deep_river - What size is medium in cm? Any more details on spec?
2011 Genesis Vapour with Mavic Askium wheels here....love it and proving superb* on my 20 mile off/on road every day.
*My view may or not be biased seeing as i sell them 😉
Winstanleys have a Schwinn for £500 ish in clearance that looks like a bargain. Think they are compact sizes though so you would need to translate to real money sizes
EDIT; like the look of that Cube!!
That cube is very pretty, looks like it wants to go fast and just keep pushing!!
Nick - I'll have to avoid the Vapour then... just in case I end up getting a Nicolai... I don't think it counts as being a bit different if someone else has exactly the same livery in the shed!!!!!! Haha.
That Schwinn just doesn't do it for me.
Good point 😆
Focus bikes on Wiggle have a nice few crossers?. All in the £600-£1000 bracket.
In all seriousness, the Croix De Fer is heavy for longer commutes and rides in general. If you're not riding in much mud then i think the advantage of disc brakes is lost. Most we have sold have been fitted with slicks which makes the addition of disc brakes a dodgy mix IMO. They also just look odd too. They've proved a popular choice on the various cycleschemes but i think we'll now sell even more Vapours as they're under the £1000 limit whilst the Croix De Fer is now £1100.
yeah, I went in after the one for £850 but it was at a different shop, they showed me the 2011 model and you don't seem to get anything different for the extra £100 they charge, apart from a slightly thicker mount.
Coming of a 35lb plus mtb though.... wouldn't a 26lb bike feel a lot lighter? My commute is between 12 and 15 miles each way depending on how much fun I decide to have, do it in about and hour and 15 mins on the mountain bike, got it down to about an hour just with the addition of slicks. But it's just not right for the commute (or going up hill)
large roadrat with drops £450?
ooooh and I could get a 30 day test ride with the focus too.... It's all very tempting.
Wiggle should stock the cube and de fer so I can compare them for 30 days and then take my pick!
Im 5ft 8, and it is on the large side of a good fit. Cant remember the exact frame size, I would look but im away from home till tomorrow, I think its a 51cm.
Upgraded with Aksium wheels, as I said earlier, Its in perfect nick, and ridden only a handfull of times. I'm selling because my circumstances have changed, and I just dont think I will ride it more than a few times a year. I'd make better use of the cash!
T1000 - is that an offer?
The cube is cracking value too. It seems that their prices, along with Focus', have dropped for 2011.
It'll also match my team's race-kit, which is proper factory.
I have to admit, the finishing kit on the Cube and Focus far outstrips that on the de fer...
They both look pretty as well... trouble is I have seen the de fer in the flesh and it makes me go all a bit weak at the knees! Is this a heart over head moment!?
Ps am I right in thinking the Ultegra groupset is above the 105 which is in turn above the tiagra?
Mountain bikes I can do. this is fairly new!
that cube is luvverly
Ps am I right in thinking the Ultegra groupset is above the 105 which is in turn above the tiagra?
Correct
and only just over 21lb. Not that weight is important!....
Hmm this is going to need some more thought....
Croix de fer wins out right on looks.
Cube on weight (although to be fair I can't find a weight for the focus Mares AX)
Finishing kit - If I go to £1099 the focus wins with Ultegra - need to spend another £300 on the cube for the same kit... Although the focus might not be 10 speed Ultegra (would it be 9 speed on a 2011 bike?)
Price, focus top of the range is within reach £1099, I can get last years Croix de fer for £850 and the cube floats on a cloud of lightness in the middle.....
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Something to sleep on me thinks.
am I right in thinking the Ultegra groupset is above the 105 which is in turn above the tiagra?
Deore = Tiagra
SLX = 105
XT = Ultegra
XTR = Dura-Ace
All 10 speed except for Tiagra (9)
wouldn't a 26lb bike feel a lot lighterOMG as a cross bike that must be a tank?
I am not "up" on cyclocross bikes but mine must be around 20lbs ish? (based on being a bit lighter than my 23lbs hardtail) and there is a lot of weight I could drop without a thought really.
If there is a fair bit of road or you want to change to road tyres, then go for a slightly lighter frame, if its mainly off road then think 29er.
A 26lb cross bike just screams compromise to me
If you find a platinum member of Wiggle (ie if they've spent over £500 in the last year) you get 12% off. Showing as £968 on my screen!
The Cube was thick end of £1200 last year, 5 of my my mates have them, cracking bikes
Ajf - it is a cro mo frame so its never going to as light as an alu or carbon one. I can't decide if the weight actually bothers me or not... i don't intend to race it or do epic trips on it... thats what the mtb is for.
DrDom yes details as below
Dropped price to £450 (mech is alcera not slx)
[url= http://www.cycles-for-heroes.com/bikes/cyclocross/pure-blood ]Fixie Inc?[/url]
[url= http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPOMPETVERSA/on-one-pompetamine-versa ]Pompetamine?[/url]
T1000, pics of Roadrat please to my email
Cheers
Chris
Specialized Crux Elite. Bought one about a week ago and already been on it 4 times. Really solid and stiff. Its £1000 and comes with pretty standard spec compared to other bikes but its got some really nice internal cable routing detail - you can unscrew a cap on the frame to make cable replacement easier and it also runs internally down the bottom side of the down tube and comes out by the bottom bracket. Very neat. Nice and light too.
Skiprat pic's sent
In all seriousness, the Croix De Fer is heavy for longer commutes and rides in general.
Just to turn a few thoughts upside down, surely it's for the longer rides that the lightweight harsh alu frames make less sense. Want something more "all-round" then worry less about race weight, and check out the steel options.
I have a 2009 Kona Major Jake 56cm up for sale. About 250 road mile on it...as I switched back to my singlespeed.
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I have to admit one of the reasons I was looking at the croix de fer is for the steel frame...
I used to have a beautiful steel framed rigid bike until it was pinched... I think I am going to follow my heart on this one... It's hard to get the croix de fer outta my head. A bit like that stunning burd at uni that you never quite had the balls to chase properly..........
Have you seen the Salsa Vaya?
It's like the CdF but nicer! 😀
my crosslight weighs about that and I doubt any of my steel stable weigh much less.Its not a problem for me
Focus is tempting, cube is even more tempting but i think the Giant Tcx would get my vote, the frames are lovely.
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-GB/bikes/model/tcx.1/7859/45489/
The cheap wheels and aluminium fork would rule out the Giant for me (and the fact they no longer import XL sizes).
Just to turn a few thoughts upside down, surely it's for the longer rides that the lightweight harsh alu frames make less sense. Want something more "all-round" then worry less about race weight, and check out the steel options.
Absolutely no evidence that the alu frame is going to be more harsh just because of the material it's made of!!!
Changing the tyres will make more of a difference.
My Secteur and Tricross both feel as comfortable, if not more comfortable than my steel PX Kaffenback.
the fork is carbon on the tcx 1, and the wheels on all these bikes aint exactly great, be the first upgrade for all the bikes mentioned for me
So it does. My mistake.
Robdob- without wishinf to atart a huge debate there is evidence,it's juat all anecdotal. Until there has ben a rigorous scientific investigation comparing the responses between materials and geometry then you can't just dismiss the anecdotal stuff.
I agree there are a huge number of factors which influence the way a bike will feel, but you cannot dismiss frame material altogether!
So I bought the Croix de fer. It was the only one I could get a ride on and I knew if I got the one on the 30 day test ride from wiggle it would all go wrong!!!
Took it out for the first proper (if short) ride tonight. Luckily I am very impressed. Need to fiddle around with the handle bar position to find the optimum. But I am now content, its so much easier to hold speed than on my mountain bike which I seem to fight the whole way on the flat.
Hopefully gonna get some big miles in over the next few months beyond my normal commute to work.