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Cyclists have been a 'menace' for years, still no number plates. I think you are overreacting. And 'fellow man' , really, when someone cuts you up you get out and hug them? Ok so it might be a bit 'sad' he has got obsessive over it, but he is not making up the evidence, just catching stupid or lazy people on video.
Only here would somebody who complains about a person who thinks its fine to film and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences, be called a troll...I hope and pray I'm not back here in a few months being called a troll for pointing out why the new number plate for (Boris & other)commuter bikes rule came about.
And that's the last I'll say on the subject.
Enjoy your hero.
You're an idiot.
HTH
Funniest thread on here for while! Well Done Derek, just er,I hope you are not the sole witness to any misdemeanors or murders etc...
The only people who don't like "Grasses" as you put it, are usually Criminals. So do you want to tell us anything?
Oh and You're an idiot +1
So, if you get knocked off your bike dereknightrider, and I see it, do you want me to "grass" on the driver?
[i]and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences[/i]
spurious
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adjective
[b]not being what it purports to be; false or fake.[/b]
where'd that Princess bride meme go....
certainly not with attitudes like my own personal view of grasses.
'Ard Man Ronnie Kray wannabe.
And complete tool.
[quote=imnotverygood] Ah. I see. You [s]ride [/s] drive like an idiot so that is why you feel threatened.FTFY. 🙂
Though I'm sure that's not fair and Derek [i]isn't[/i] the sort of chap that would drive his boat-towing, planet-raping 4x4 dangerously past some lycra-clad, gayboy roadies that were holding him up for a few seconds "just to show them who's boss", not like that guy that was banned from the forum. What [i]was[/i] his name anyway?
S'not often a OP gets no sympathy with there views on here, well done Derek.
"DerekKR bringing STW closer together" but your still an idiot/troll
I think attitudes have changed, Matthew Parris wrote a good article on this. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall now - in case you pay [url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/matthew-parris/9409302/when-did-we-become-a-nation-of-police-informers/ ]here.[/url]
It is somewhat ironic that our laws are highly regarded when our law makers are held in such low regard.
Well [b]lets take it to its logical conclusion[/b] shall we, you're all as I would expect pretty happy with what he's doing, indeed probably a lot of you also do it, so the car drivers are pretty shortly going to cry victimisation, fit their own cameras (some are doing that already) to catch all your mates running red lights, bouncing up and down pavements, of course it's none of us, we all cycle totally responsibly, but those cabbies, they'll make a powerful argument for rear number plates and with that? Guess what? Tax for the privilege.
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Troll is far to kind an epithet for the sort of pro criminal tard who talks of snitches and grasses with contempt in this context . Snitch and grass are terms properly used to describe criminals who inform on their mates people who observe crimes happening and come forward to do something about it are called witnesses.
Dinsdale! Dinsdale!
I bet he's livid - livid - that people can be charged for assisting an offender.
I video a lot of my routes, and see some near misses, this weekend had a few more, sadly i didnt take the camera out on the bike, but just shouted at the driver, youre on camera, check You Tube.
Thing is drivers dont know if you have a camera or not, also today saw a cheap crap car, with a sticker in the rear window, saying video equipped car, seems as if car drivers are folowing lgv, bus and coach companies along with courier companies safeguarding their no claims and licences.
[quote=dereknightrider ]Only here would somebody who complains about a person who thinks its fine to film and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences, be called a troll...
Strangely enough, I wasn't... until now. "spurious" traffic related offences? Now that surely is a troll - I'm assuming that people don't actually get prosecuted for spurious offences.
Oh and "fellow man"? Can I just check who my "fellow man" is with you - is it the bloke who beat up and killed old Doris during a break in? The nice chappy who raped the girl he met in a club? Or just the motorist endangering the lives of other people by driving dangerously?
I hope and pray I'm not back here in a few months being called a troll for pointing out why the new number plate for (Boris & other)commuter bikes rule came about.
Don't worry, you won't be - you're just being hysterical there, not a troll.
Disappointed if you're really not coming back - this has been hilarious all the gangsta talk of grasses.
[quote=mefty ]I think attitudes have changed, Matthew Parris wrote a good article on this. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall now - in case you pay here.
I can see it fine - I presume you read the Spectator too much and you only get a limited number of articles (hint: they normally do this with cookies, you can delete cookies...)
I presume you read the Spectator too much
Indeed, or not enough - you were right about the cookies though - only 11 articles.
Derek
You [u]are[/u] an idiot
HTH
I have to admit I do get the irony of advising how to cheat a website to see an article about letting people get away with naughty things; on a thread where we're all being sanctimonious, on a forum where discussing similar ways of cheating this forum is a banning offence 😉
[i]You should try a speed awareness course some time, see just how many rules there are now since you took your test. [/i]
I liked that bit. I remember the days of cross-ply tyres and drum brakes, and the introduction of seat belts on front seats. Cars may be safer but people riding bikes need cameras. Said the old bloke with a dash cam who'd shop anyone he happened to film doing something dangerous.
"[i]the car drivers are pretty shortly going to cry victimisation[/i]"
I'm not.
Chill out Derek.
The only people that say snitches and get stitches and similar lines about grasses are wanna be gangstas that spend their lives playing Grand Theft Auto.
Derek our society depends on good people protecting others from the bad people. Our courts, not you, decide if someone is not guilty. I presume that you would not grass up a bank robber, a fraudster or a rapist. If that is the case then please crawl back under the rock where you belong with your games console.
I have a camera in my car. It's not for filming cyclists, it captures rank bad driving usually.
I read a bit more about your hero last night, seems he's shopped a few of his fellow bus drivers, they've now got the sack, one was checking his ticket machine, probably just a glance.
It is indeed a sick society and any of you who clearly agree with all this are equally sad.
And that article, the one about the dinner party types who shop their guests if they think they've drunk too much, probably don't even say anything to them as they leave, just dob em in for the sanctimonious hell of it.
Anonymous of course, don't local councils just love all that, 'oh I'm sorry we can't possibly tell you who's complained but...'
Sick sad sad.
Grasses, snitches, judas.. there now I wonder if that's what's happening here, with the end of religion and poor old judas gone from the world, you all get to be just like him, state assisted.
I read a bit more about your hero last night, seems he's shopped a few of his fellow bus drivers, they've now got the sack, one was checking his ticket machine, probably just a glance.
The guy videos people doing retarded stuff. He's not the judge, jury and executioner FFS. You're a proper moron.
Grasses, snitches, judas.. there now I wonder if that's what's happening here, with the end of religion and poor old judas gone from the world, you all get to be just like him, state assisted.
Surely you're just taking the piss now? Can anyone think like this or are you...
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I switch the camera on my bike on when I leave the house, not to catch drivers but just because I forget to turn it on when I get to the trails. I have caught lots of bad driving (& even a dangerous horse rider on a bridleway) however don't feel inclined to pass it on to the authorities, however I do feel it would be useful in the event of a collision.
I also tested the camera mounted in the car, where i have captured footage of a lot more bad driving, including HGV's jumping red lights etc etc. As a lot of my commute is on a dual carriageway and despite what speed you do, you get tailgated by someone. I placed the camera in the rear window, guess what every tailgater backed off when they realised there was a camera in the back window.
At present it is cyclists who are being seen as video 'vigilantes' but a lot of firms are fitting cameras to lorrie's, buses and car drivers are using them more & more.
In fact Wiltshire Police suggested that drivers get a dashcam, due to a rise in scammers disabling their rear lights and deliberatley braking heavily to get hit up the ar$e and then make an isurance claim.
Traffic Police have been cut by 48% in some area's, one Chief Constable has even said due to cuts, the public should do more to help themselves, we have Neighbourhood Watch, Community Speed Watch why is passing evidence of bad/dangerous driving to the Police any different, no one would think twice of handing video footage of a murder or armed robbery over.
Lets not forget that these people who drive dangerously don't just do it around cyclists, they do it all the time, outside school's, residential area's. Those against this sort of thing would be up in arm's if idiot driver ran over one of their kid's or a family member!
Ok Derek, I'll give you this..
After that clip of the truck pulling onto the A9 last week I've been involved in a few discussions about Dashcams. What most people are coming to realise is that those occasional lapses of judgement, missed observations etc to which we can all suffer are now going to be available for public scrutiny even when no subsequent accident has occurred. This is quite a change and should, in theory at least, help us to remember to be better drivers.
However, you would have to do something incredibly stupid and/or dangerous to end up with any more than 3 points and a fine should a video lead to a prosecution. If you're not a habitual offender, you're not going to be losing your job, going to prison etc. over one incident.
So what about all the CCTV that has helped catch rapists and murderers (as well as thousands of traffic offenders)? With the amount of near misses and close passes I see every day going unpunished, a bit of extra camera evidence might just start making poor drivers try a little harder not to drive poorly...
Is it any wonder people are "going vigilante" as you put it...
[url= http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-31682145 ]For a bit of balance[/url]
And that article, the one about the dinner party types who shop their guests if they think they've drunk too much, probably don't even say anything to them as they leave, just dob em in for the sanctimonious hell of it.
So I take it from that comment then, you are happy with drunk drivers roaming around our roads!
On that comment- there's better ways to do it. When you can intervene to stop the problem in the first place, you should, rather than intervening after it's happened.
But hey, that bears no relevance whatsoever to the thread topic so it's [i]almost[/i] like it's a distraction tactic 😆
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dereknightrider - Member
This isn't going as well as I thought it would, what an idiot..
My personal feeling is that cameras aren't generally helpful and serial uploaders of their outrage
from commute are just feeding the fire.
VBottom line, we have crap cycle infrastructure, a lot of drivers and cyclists who are equally bad but in different sized vehicles, and a handful of popular journos who've spotted an easy story.
On that comment- there's better ways to do it. When you can intervene to stop the problem in the first place, you should, rather than intervening after it's happened.But hey, that bears no relevance whatsoever to the thread topic so it's almost like it's a distraction tactic
Agreed, I was thinking of discussion on the radio I recently heard, where someone was in a dilemma as whether or not to 'shop' their 'friends' who constantly insisted on turning up to dinner parties, drinking & then driving home, despite being asked not too 😯
I'm actually beginning to respect dereknightrider - he's got his trolling pitched just right, it's quite enjoyable.
1) start with a contentious statement in the OP
2) wait until people have got a head of indignant steam up and post something even more controversial
3) if the thread looks like dropping off the first couple of pages pop back in with another post to keep it going.
chapeau.
I'd just stop inviting them or insist they gave me the car keys at the start of the evening.
3) if the thread looks like dropping off the first couple of pages pop back in with another post to keep it going.
Surely if you have to return you've failed at trolling?
I guess in all truth i'm staggered the way society has changed and do in all honesty wonder when it came about, is it the religion thing? Is it the mummies boys no victim of bullying at school you've all been brought up to believe? This place is very much like a school the way it gets policed, dob each other in if someone uses a bad word.
It never used to be this way so you'll have to excuse the fact I don't like it, it's my opinion that's all, not a troll as you call it, I genuinely believe it's you that are the fools for participating in it.
Mind your own business, live and let live, what happened to that credo? The folk who should be policing us get to sit behind their computer screens doing the square root of diddly squat all day, the social workers get to blind eye quite obvious racially motivated child and vulnerable girl abuse, yet no worry we have an army of vigilante cyclist protecting our roads and dinner guests? Watch what you drink, your hosts will be dobbing you in the moment the door closes as you leave.
You really think that's a good society?
Maybe my anarchistic tendency is showing, but sorry, Bader had it right, rules are there for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools, I wonder what he would have called those who voluntarily enforce them on others for pure sanctimonious reason.
[i]Mind your own business, live and let live, what happened to that credo?
the social workers get to blind eye quite obvious racially motivated child and vulnerable girl abuse[/i]
maybe they let their live and let live credo get the better of them?
What you call sanctimony the rest of us call society. That's folk looking out for each other. Even in your own example above, should people knowing about the abuse have kept quiet?
Missing the point boys they're paid to do a job you're not, you're doing it for fun.
I've reported dereknightrider to the moderators.
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